you don't care what everyone can see, you are basing your whole opinion on the scorecards, which are made by partial judges in the first place.
see the fallacy here?
I am talking about what actually transpired and not what should or should not have happened. When I say that Dorian received perfect scores from all judges on both rounds, I am simply saying what happened. As for the judges being partial, guess what? Everyone is. You prefer Ronnie because you like his smaller waisted physique better, Sharma prefers Nasser because they are both of Arabic descent, etc. The difference is that the opinions of the judges are more important because it is them and not us who decide the outcome of contests. What makes your opinion more valid than that of 12 judges who have years of experience judging physiques and have seen thousands of physiques? As for politics, please, that is a strawman argument because there is no way to prove or disprove it. I know for a fact that there are several wins that seem far more politically motivated than those of Yates. The best examples would be Jay at least year's Olympia, who defeated Martinez by a single point in the posing round. I wouldn't blame anyone for saying that win was political, because it is extremely likely. Likewise, Ronnie's win in 2001 was probably political, given that he lost
both rounds and still won the contest. My point here is that Ronnie has had wins that were questionable on paper, while Dorian never did. Understand? Even if you thought that Dorian lost the 1994 Olympia more than Ronnie lost the 2001 Olympia, the bottom line is that you cannot accuse dorian of having received a "gift" in 1994 because a true gift happens when two competitors are equal on the score and the judges give one of them the win by one point or so based on a ridiculous criteria - see Jay Cutler at the 2007 Olympia -, while at the same time ignoring Ronnie's win in 2001, when he was
behind Jay on the score and still won. Obviously, the judges manipulated the outcome of that contest, but they didn't maipulate the outcome of the 1994 Olympia because Dorian still won on paper.
you are saying that dorian was perfect because the scores say he was.
No, I am saying that Dorian won the contest with perfect scores. That is a fact. What I think is irrelevant because it is the judges who decide the outcome of the contests. But referring to Dorian 1995, yes, I do think that he came as close to perfect as a physique has, the only flaws being his thick waist and torn left biceps - which was barely perceptible except in the front double biceps.
but the scores were made by partial judges - you can see that simply by LOOKING at shots and footage from the contest.
But we are all partial. All of us. That is why we have judges decide the outcome of contests, because having a million people vote on who they think are best doesen't work. And to be honest with you, I think that the judges' opinions, biased as they are, are more erudite than mine or yours, given that Olympia judges have on average over 20 years of judging experience and have seen thousands of physiques. From what I've gathered from your posts, you have never been to a pro bodybuilding contest. Is that correct? Then why do you believe that your opinion is more important than that of the judges?
numbers can be made to be whatever they want.
The same can be said for you. You can come up with whatever reasons you want for why Nasser should have won, or for why Ronnie is better than all bodybuilders, etc. Or "Pumpster" coming up with strawman argument after strawman argument to explain why physiques
he doesen't like win contests.
and as you can see by all the shots of dorian clearly NOT deserving perfect scores, physiques cannot be changed come contest day.
First, I do think he deserves perrfect scores. Scores are relative to the competition, and Dorian blew the competition at the 1995 Olympia. Secondly, what I think is irrelevant. The bottom line is that there were no "gifts" in Dorian's wins because there has never happened that Dorian was behind or equal to someone in the score and the judges gave him the win anyway - like it happened to Jay at the 2007 Olympia and to Ronnie at the 2001 Olympia.
someone who gets bested by another bodybuilder from the front (nasser) does not deserve a 'perfect' score.
Dorian didn't get bested by Nasser from the front. This is another one of your fantasies. Dorian easily won the front lat spread and the abs-and-thighs. Nasser won the front double biceps. Winning two out of three mandatories is hardly getting "bested" from the front.
