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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #225 on: May 28, 2008, 03:30:35 PM »
show me where I claimed Ronnie defeated Jay by more points than Dorian defeated Kevin. Good luck! ;)

  You said that Ronnie dominated Jay by a greater margin than Dorian dominated Kevin in 1995. The objective measure of dominance is points, as scored by the judges. So where is your proof?

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ha ha ha, are you f*cking kidding me? Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain can see the disparity between 03 Ronnie and Jay was much greater than 95 Dorian and Kevin.

  Anyone with a brain can see that defeating a career best Levrone is harder than defeating Cutler. Think about it for several hours, and maybe you might end up understanding that. ;D

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sure, b*tch. Whatever you say. I love how you think I can't control my "emotional outbursts" when, in reality, I'm just toying with you at this point for my own amusement. ;)

  Mmk...you are lucky that I even reply to your posts, considering how cretinous are the things you say. I mean, defeating Jay is harder than Levrone? What was that internet course you got your degree in personal training again? ;)

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I don't give a shit how good Kevin was compared to Jay. That was never my argument to begin with, idiot. I took issue with your comment that 95 Dorian's win was the most dominant win by any Mr. Olympia. You are wrong.

  Dumbass, you are unable to comprehend that Dorian defeated with straight-firsts scores Kevin in the best shape of his life, which is much harder to accomplish than defeating an inferior bodybuilder like Cutler. Let's break this down to you for you to comprehend:

  Levrone at his best > Cutler in his 2001 Olympia form.

  Hence:

  Defeating 1995 Kevin > defeating Jay at the 2001 Olympia.

  Duh! :P Why is it so hard for you to figure this out?

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #226 on: May 28, 2008, 08:10:53 PM »
hahha narsissydeity still trying to prove his point, how sad

tell me about it.

ND is getting destroyed at his own game by me, neo, and others.
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« Reply #227 on: May 28, 2008, 08:14:41 PM »

No he wasn't and don't presume to speak for him , self-ownage is anything you type.

This my very stupid little friend is Ronnie referring to ( what he thinks is ) contest politics....

THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:

It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system


pumpster = owned ...............next

note that even Ronnie Coleman acknowledges the power of visuals, something that ND is too stupid to realize..

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actually, I am sure he does know how powerful they are, but argues that they are meaningless so that dorian even has a chance against Ronnie:

"just look at the photos"
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #228 on: May 28, 2008, 08:24:34 PM »
lying again you've claimed on MANY occasions Dorian's conditioning wasn't as good as Ronnies it doesn't matter what year you still made a claim based on ignorance and crushed by facts and eyewitnesses you have said Peter McGough a man who as seen both persons at their bests as flat out wrong on this assessment and you right despite you never once seeing either live and in person , so now you're trapped in your own logic

I'm still waiting for you to show me where I dismissed Dorian. ;)

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One please show me where Dorian said Ronnie was the greatest bodybuilder of all time ! and two there is ONLY one name on that list that carries weight and thats the name of the man in question and we all know what he thinks of this situation and it doesn't matter if he is the greatest of all time , they're basing that on one or two factors , number of Olympia titles won and number of pro contests won and according to that criteria alone its true he is the greatest bodybuilder of all time and that has NOTHING to do with if Dorian Yates at his best competed against him at his who would win.

excuses excuses.
 
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Wrong the people who made the statements agree with my assessment and like you said their opinions all trump yours and why? because they were there , blah , blah , blah

you think I care if you have a quote saying Dorian had better conditioning or was more balanced? That means nothing to me when I have several quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

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it doesn't matter you took something out of context and tried to make it something it wasn't? lol you're in essence lying and then project your deception of me and have the balls to say I'm lying , you think if you play with words enough your bullshit would be exposed ...sorry kid you're running with the big dogs now

bottom line he said I don't know ! thats not explicit , definitive or sure you also omitted how many times he said it was a very hard question for him to answer once again in a feeble attempt to TRY and give a clear answer to a question where he said explicitly I DON'T KNOW

Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

notice he doesn't say "the judges would probably choose me?" He could have, but he didn't for a reason. ;)

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lets play Neo's game , shall we? look what Ronnie says I couldn't have beat them there you have it 

how lame. I posted the whole sentence from Dorian. You left out the rest of Ronnie's sentence. Big difference.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #229 on: May 28, 2008, 08:35:51 PM »
You said that Ronnie dominated Jay by a greater margin than Dorian dominated Kevin in 1995. The objective measure of dominance is points, as scored by the judges. So where is your proof?

don't try to back peddle after I called you out. Show me where I claimed Ronnie defeated Jay by more points than Dorian defeated Kevin. ;)

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Anyone with a brain can see that defeating a career best Levrone is harder than defeating Cutler. Think about it for several hours, and maybe you might end up understanding that.

I never said 03 Jay was better than 95 Kevin. So you can stop going off on a tangent now. I said the disparity between Ronnie and Jay was greater than Dorian and Kevin.

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Mmk...you are lucky that I even reply to your posts, considering how cretinous are the things you say. I mean, defeating Jay is harder than Levrone? What was that internet course you got your degree in personal training again?

learn to read, dipshit. I never talked about which 2nd place finisher was harder to beat. Where did you go to school? I would sue them if i were you.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #230 on: May 28, 2008, 08:37:59 PM »
10 pages and i see NO REPLY FROM DORIAN (IS THIS A GIRL'S NAME?) YATES HIMSELF. What a pussy, soon i will bring the answer from ronnie himself to this thread (i hope so).

Ronnie 1 - Dorian Who? 0
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« Reply #231 on: May 28, 2008, 09:01:36 PM »
don't try to back peddle after I called you out. Show me where I claimed Ronnie defeated Jay by more points than Dorian defeated Kevin. ;)

  So you admit that your claim that Ronnie defeated Jay in 2003 by a greater margin than Dorian defeated Kevin in 1995 is bullshit? ;) I mean, because the only way to prove that is by showing that Ronnie had a greater point gap over Jay than Dorian had over Kevin, which you failed to deliver - still waiting.

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  I never said 03 Jay was better than 95 Kevin. So you can stop going off on a tangent now. I said the disparity between Ronnie and Jay was greater than Dorian and Kevin.

  I am still waiting for you to prove that. ;) And the only reason why Ronnie dominated in 2003 is because his competition was pathetic. It's easy to dominate when your competition is Cutler; it's much harder to do so when it is a Kevin in the best shape of his life. What I mean by Dorian's win in 10995 being more dominant is that he dominated superior competition. Your argument is stupid. Let me give an analogy to better elucidate my point. Imagine that you pitted in a match a Ferrari and a Volkswagen, and then the Ferari against a Lamborghini. Now, the Ferrari finishes 30 minutes ahead of the Volkswagen, but only 5 minutes ahead of the Lamborghini. The win over the Lamborghini was more dominant, because the Lamborghini is a far more formidable car. The value of a win is not absolute, but relative. No one cares if Tiger Woods defeats a neophyte at golf in some match. But if they could bring back Palmer in his prime and Tiger played against and defeated him, that would be a much more worthy win. All the bodybuilders who placed in the top 5 at the Olympia in the 1990s would have a field day with Cutler. Beating him is nothing special like beating Levrone in the best shape of his career. ;)

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learn to read, dipshit. I never talked about which 2nd place finisher was harder to beat. Where did you go to school? I would sue them if i were you.

  It is extremely unlikely that they will revoke my diploma, considering that I donate $100,000.00 a year to my former high school, and another such sum to my alma mater. Despite my limited intelligence and knowledge, I have done pretty well in life and do not need to be a "certified personal trainer" with a degree in "exercise physiology" to earn a living. ;)

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #232 on: May 28, 2008, 09:26:31 PM »
So you admit that your claim that Ronnie defeated Jay in 2003 by a greater margin than Dorian defeated Kevin in 1995 is bullshit? I mean, because the only way to prove that is by showing that Ronnie had a greater point gap over Jay than Dorian had over Kevin, which you failed to deliver - still waiting.

I never said Ronnie beat Jay by more points than Dorian beat Kevin. I said the disparity between 1st and 2nd was greater when Ronnie won. Both Dorian and Ronnie won with straight firsts. So neither man has an advantage if you want to play the numbers game. However, we can easily see that 03 Ronnie overwhelmed Jay that year with sheer mass and definition. Dorian was only a few lbs heavier than Kevin and had a torn biceps.

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I am still waiting for you to prove that.





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It is extremely unlikely that they will revoke my diploma, considering that I donate $100,000.00 a year to my former high school, and another such sum to my alma mater. Despite my limited intelligence and knowledge, I have done pretty well in life and do not need to be a "certified personal trainer" with a degree in "exercise physiology" to earn a living.

whatever helps you sleep at night. ;)

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #233 on: May 28, 2008, 09:29:05 PM »
Water logged mass. Dorian's back was bigger and more ripped than this in the offseason. Notice the striations in Jay's lats and the lack there of in Ronnie's. Also note the folds of skin and fat in Ronnie's neck.

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« Reply #234 on: May 29, 2008, 01:29:34 AM »
I'm still waiting for you to show me where I dismissed Dorian. ;)

excuses excuses.
 
you think I care if you have a quote saying Dorian had better conditioning or was more balanced? That means nothing to me when I have several quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

notice he doesn't say "the judges would probably choose me?" He could have, but he didn't for a reason. ;)

how lame. I posted the whole sentence from Dorian. You left out the rest of Ronnie's sentence. Big difference.

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I'm still waiting for you to show me where I dismissed Dorian. ;)

Aren't you the same guy who dismissed Dorian's grainy appearance as the result of acne? Neo you're just being contrary and I wont entertain your nonsense , show me where I dismissed Dorian lol see the whole truce thread and any other thread you follow me around in

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excuses excuses.

Great job avoiding the question , again show me where Dorian ever claimed Ronnie to be the greatest of all time , you put his name on that list and now you're bound to it , please show me this quote because I've never seen it. and again its no excuse Ronnie is considered the best of all time because..............eig ht straight and he has the most pro wins so going by that criteria he is and big deal , The greatest bodybuilder of all time STILL doesn't think he's be able to beat Dorian Yates

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you think I care if you have a quote saying Dorian had better conditioning or was more balanced? That means nothing to me when I have several quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.


I know you don't care for a reason , and you should care muscular balance and density & dryness are HALF the judging criteria which ' the greatest bodybuilder of all time ' is already down on against Dorian and NONE of your quotes mean anything in the face of " The Greatest bodybuilder of all time " admitting not once , not twice but NOW three times he could NOT beat Dorian Yates , so you're fucked either way

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Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

notice he doesn't say "the judges would probably choose me?" He could have, but he didn't for a reason. ;)

again you're taking this out of context , right after that statement he said ' I guess I don't know. " you're taking it out of context because you think it proves your point , very weak logic ( something you're fond of ) you like to play with words and difference is I don't have to

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how lame. I posted the whole sentence from Dorian. You left out the rest of Ronnie's sentence. Big

how lame? I agree thats why I pointed out your pathetic attempt to play with words ( see above ) the two other quotes are in context and complete and on two clear cut occasions The greatest bodybuilder of all-time has said he could NOT defeat Dorian Yates . no matter how much you attempt to toy with the words and take things out of context you my not so bright little friend are fucked


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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #235 on: May 29, 2008, 01:33:31 AM »
note that even Ronnie Coleman acknowledges the power of visuals, something that ND is too stupid to realize..

 ::)

actually, I am sure he does know how powerful they are, but argues that they are meaningless so that dorian even has a chance against Ronnie:

"just look at the photos"

Oh now you like Ronnie's quotes but when the kick the shit out of you then its o.k to dismiss them lol you're an idiot like pumpster , Neo and the rest of the typical Coleman nutt-huggers and the funny part is you're agreeing with Coleman who says look at the photos and guess what they still show him getting his ass soundly beat by Gunther

and the irony of you of all people saying I pick and choose what quotes I like lol

Hulkster = hypocrite

and since you're now putting so much faith in what Ronnie has to say choke on this  ;)

Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #236 on: May 29, 2008, 01:37:00 AM »
note that even Ronnie Coleman acknowledges the power of visuals, something that ND is too stupid to realize..

 ::)

actually, I am sure he does know how powerful they are, but argues that they are meaningless so that dorian even has a chance against Ronnie:

"just look at the photos"

oh and just look at the photos  ;)

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« Reply #237 on: May 29, 2008, 03:53:29 AM »
oh and just look at the photos  ;)

you are just so bitter that a studio shot like this blows away any of dorian's black and white shots, aren't you?

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« Reply #238 on: May 29, 2008, 07:29:35 AM »
you are just so bitter that a studio shot like this blows away any of dorian's black and white shots, aren't you?



Blows it away how? size? NO Ronnoe 244 pounds Dorian 269 pounds , balance? NO not even close , density & dryness? NO I would say at the minimum its a push and thats working with you , so again where is he exactly blowing him away? lol

great logic he's not as big , not as balanced and his proportion lags behind and he's lucky if his density & dryness are equal ....lucky ! but then again you're so fucking stupid you made the claim that Ronnie at 244 pounds has a thicker back than Yates at 269 pounds LMMFAO


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« Reply #239 on: May 29, 2008, 08:38:15 AM »
man MattC is taking a beating lately lol but hey he likes to get down on the little people for grammatical errors these things will come back to bite you in the bum. lol



He is quite pathetic even when it comes to that, he likes to boast his great vocabulary but he can hardly speak one language properly although he lived his all life at a nation that have TWO official languages, I guess French isn't a European enough language for his white pride ass  ::).

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« Reply #240 on: May 29, 2008, 10:28:48 AM »
Aren't you the same guy who dismissed Dorian's grainy appearance as the result of acne? Neo you're just being contrary and I wont entertain your nonsense , show me where I dismissed Dorian lol see the whole truce thread and any other thread you follow me around in

Learn to read, jackass. I said Dorian's acne contributed to his "grainy" appearance. I never said that was the sole factor responsible. It seems all you do is make false accusations b/c you never back up any of your claims when I call you out.

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Great job avoiding the question , again show me where Dorian ever claimed Ronnie to be the greatest of all time , you put his name on that list and now you're bound to it , please show me this quote because I've never seen it. and again its no excuse Ronnie is considered the best of all time because..............eig ht straight and he has the most pro wins so going by that criteria he is and big deal , The greatest bodybuilder of all time STILL doesn't think he's be able to beat Dorian Yates

Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. Since Dorian and Ronnie at their primes would beat any other bodybuilder in history, it logically follows that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever according to Dorian. ;)

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I know you don't care for a reason , and you should care muscular balance and density & dryness are HALF the judging criteria which ' the greatest bodybuilder of all time ' is already down on against Dorian and NONE of your quotes mean anything in the face of " The Greatest bodybuilder of all time " admitting not once , not twice but NOW three times he could NOT beat Dorian Yates , so you're fucked either way

you can isolate parts of the IFBB judging criteria and apply them to any year. That's why I don't give a f*ck about your silly quotes. You may have a quote saying Dorian had perfect symmetry in 93 or was shredded and dry in 95. However, you cannot apply all those quotes to the same year b/c he brought a different package each year. A quote that names someone as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time is more significant. ;)

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again you're taking this out of context , right after that statement he said ' I guess I don't know. " you're taking it out of context because you think it proves your point , very weak logic ( something you're fond of ) you like to play with words and difference is I don't have to

how am I taking Dorian's quote out of context? Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with.

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how lame? I agree thats why I pointed out your pathetic attempt to play with words ( see above ) the two other quotes are in context and complete and on two clear cut occasions The greatest bodybuilder of all-time has said he could NOT defeat Dorian Yates . no matter how much you attempt to toy with the words and take things out of context you my not so bright little friend are fucked

Ronnie could have said Dorian would beat him a thousand times for all I care. All it takes is one time for him to change his mind. ;)

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #241 on: May 29, 2008, 11:15:34 AM »
Learn to read, jackass. I said Dorian's acne contributed to his "grainy" appearance. I never said that was the sole factor responsible. It seems all you do is make false accusations b/c you never back up any of your claims when I call you out.

Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. Since Dorian and Ronnie at their primes would beat any other bodybuilder in history, it logically follows that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever according to Dorian. ;)

you can isolate parts of the IFBB judging criteria and apply them to any year. That's why I don't give a f*ck about your silly quotes. You may have a quote saying Dorian had perfect symmetry in 93 or was shredded and dry in 95. However, you cannot apply all those quotes to the same year b/c he brought a different package each year. A quote that names someone as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time is more significant. ;)

how am I taking Dorian's quote out of context? Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with.

Ronnie could have said Dorian would beat him a thousand times for all I care. All it takes is one time for him to change his mind. ;)

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Learn to read, jackass. I said Dorian's acne contributed to his "grainy" appearance. I never said that was the sole factor responsible. It seems all you do is make false accusations b/c you never back up any of your claims when I call you out.

bull shit and I don't care enough to track down the exact quotes but none of that matters to say you never dismissed Yates is just bullshit and we both know it and funny you should mentioned backing up claims , I'm still waiting for you to back up the claim that Coleman was better conditioned than Dorian , I'm still waiting for you to back up the claim that 2003 Mr Olympia was his best appearance , etc , etc , ect

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Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. Since Dorian and Ronnie at their primes would beat any other bodybuilder in history, it logically follows that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever according to Dorian. ;)

Thanks for admitting you outright lied and added Dorian's name , oh wait you never admitted that I exposed you as the pathetic loser who has to lie in order to create angles lol Dorian never admitted Ronnie would beat him thats another outright lie , he said I guess I don't know and more bullshit from you trying to link a to b and back to a again , Ronnie's calves being comparable to Jays in 03 ring a bell? and there fore his calves are comparable to Dorians size wise lol you're an idiot for many reasons kid , keep lying its all you have go for it , don't worry I'll correct you as usual

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you can isolate parts of the IFBB judging criteria and apply them to any year. That's why I don't give a f*ck about your silly quotes. You may have a quote saying Dorian had perfect symmetry in 93 or was shredded and dry in 95. However, you cannot apply all those quotes to the same year b/c he brought a different package each year. A quote that names someone as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time is more significant

You don't like silly quotes because they shut your ignorance down period , you tried to play my game and got shot down as usual , Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie over his whole fucking career , perhaps and this is working with you , perhaps Ronnie matched him in 98/01 for density & dryness , but he couldn't do it at higher bodyweights like Yates , then couple that with better balance & proportion which you guessed it is better than Ronnie ( when Dorian is at his best 93/95 )

and a quote from the Greatest Bodybuilder of all-time shuts your bullshit down in 2 seconds flat , Ronnie concedes to Dorian 3 times  ;) next...................


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how am I taking Dorian's quote out of context? Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with.

Ronnie could have said Dorian would beat him a thousand times for all I care. All it takes is one time for him to change his mind. ;)

How are you taking it out of context? you're joking right? " Ronnie would probably beat me , I guess I don't know thats a very hard question for me to answer. " you omitted the part where he said I don't know and you did it for a very specific reason to make like its a definitive answer and nothing could be further than the truth

Now this is definitive , this is decisive this is reality


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


Do you think so? Ronnie : I know so. thats in context and straight to the point not internal debate , no guessing , no wondering Ronnie in black & white says I know so that my stupid little friend is ironclad you can't touch this all you're left with is crying  ;)

Ronnie never changed his mind thats you making shit up ( again ) 99 he says Dorian would beat him , the quote you're clinging onto for dear life he says I couldn't beat him in his day lol and when asked this question at the close of his Olympia career he says for a third time I couldn't beat Dorian lol you have NOTHING Neo nada . zip . zero

Neo you're lucky I'm even responding to you at this point because you're a proven liar , you're as stupid as the day is long about competitive bodybuilding and you take quotes out of context and you try to play with words , but I do enjoy correcting you and watch you dig yourself deeper into the abyss of ignorance , you're not in my league kid come back when you learn a thing or two about competitive bodybuilding and maybe I'll entertain you and your ' opinions '



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« Reply #242 on: May 29, 2008, 11:46:40 AM »
bull shit and I don't care enough to track down the exact quotes but none of that matters to say you never dismissed Yates is just bullshit and we both know it and funny you should mentioned backing up claims , I'm still waiting for you to back up the claim that Coleman was better conditioned than Dorian , I'm still waiting for you to back up the claim that 2003 Mr Olympia was his best appearance , etc , etc , ect

how pathetic. Now you are just making excuses for why you shouldn't have to defend your lie. Here's a word of advice: don't make false accusations if you can't back them up. ;)

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Thanks for admitting you outright lied and added Dorian's name , oh wait you never admitted that I exposed you as the pathetic loser who has to lie in order to create angles lol Dorian never admitted Ronnie would beat him thats another outright lie , he said I guess I don't know and more bullshit from you trying to link a to b and back to a again , Ronnie's calves being comparable to Jays in 03 ring a bell? and there fore his calves are comparable to Dorians size wise lol you're an idiot for many reasons kid , keep lying its all you have go for it , don't worry I'll correct you as usual

how did I lie? I never said Dorian explicitly stated Ronnie would beat him. It can be inferred from his comment that Ronnie is the greatest of all-time. If you take the two best bodybuilders in history and claim that one of them would beat the other, what does that make the victor? This isn't rocket science.

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You don't like silly quotes because they shut your ignorance down period , you tried to play my game and got shot down as usual , Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie over his whole fucking career , perhaps and this is working with you , perhaps Ronnie matched him in 98/01 for density & dryness , but he couldn't do it at higher bodyweights like Yates , then couple that with better balance & proportion which you guessed it is better than Ronnie ( when Dorian is at his best 93/95 )

give it up, kiddo.  Repeating yourself like a parrot won't impress anyone. I have numerous quotes from professional bodybuilders and magazine writers saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I don't give a shit if you have a quote about Dorian's conditioning or balance. Last time I checked, better conditioning means just that - better conditioning - and greatest bodybuilder ever means... <shock> greatest bodybuilder ever. ;)

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How are you taking it out of context? you're joking right? " Ronnie would probably beat me , I guess I don't know thats a very hard question for me to answer. " you omitted the part where he said I don't know and you did it for a very specific reason to make like its a definitive answer and nothing could be further than the truth

I already addressed this in my last post.

"Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with."

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Now this is definitive , this is decisive this is reality

it speaks volumes about your argument when you have to quote a guy who speaks like a retard and has been proven wrong on several occasions. ;)

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #243 on: May 29, 2008, 02:08:05 PM »
how pathetic. Now you are just making excuses for why you shouldn't have to defend your lie. Here's a word of advice: don't make false accusations if you can't back them up. ;)

how did I lie? I never said Dorian explicitly stated Ronnie would beat him. It can be inferred from his comment that Ronnie is the greatest of all-time. If you take the two best bodybuilders in history and claim that one of them would beat the other, what does that make the victor? This isn't rocket science.

give it up, kiddo.  Repeating yourself like a parrot won't impress anyone. I have numerous quotes from professional bodybuilders and magazine writers saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I don't give a shit if you have a quote about Dorian's conditioning or balance. Last time I checked, better conditioning means just that - better conditioning - and greatest bodybuilder ever means... <shock> greatest bodybuilder ever. ;)

I already addressed this in my last post.

"Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with."

it speaks volumes about your argument when you have to quote a guy who speaks like a retard and has been proven wrong on several occasions. ;)

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how pathetic. Now you are just making excuses for why you shouldn't have to defend your lie. Here's a word of advice: don't make false accusations if you can't back them up. ;)

A lie? saying you have dismissed Dorian is a lie? lol again I don't care enough to look up specifics you're just like the other nutt-huggers lol you never dismissed Yates lol thats rich

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how did I lie? I never said Dorian explicitly stated Ronnie would beat him. It can be inferred from his comment that Ronnie is the greatest of all-time. If you take the two best bodybuilders in history and claim that one of them would beat the other, what does that make the victor? This isn't rocket science.

how did you lie? simple

oh, how easy you make this for me. Here's a list of people who said Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

you added Dorian's name to this list , he never said this I called you on it and exposed you as a liar . simple case closed end of story. next..............

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give it up, kiddo.  Repeating yourself like a parrot won't impress anyone. I have numerous quotes from professional bodybuilders and magazine writers saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I don't give a shit if you have a quote about Dorian's conditioning or balance. Last time I checked, better conditioning means just that - better conditioning - and greatest bodybuilder ever means... <shock> greatest bodybuilder ever. ;)

The irony of you of all people typing ' repeating yourself ' you of all people lol I find that funny  :) wow Ronnie is the greatest of all-time ( hey did Dorian contribute to that list?  ;) ) o.k what does that mean? he won the most Olympias and he has the most pro wins , I have no problem with that it doesn't mean he would defeat Dorian Yates at his best and here is the kick in the balls what does the greatest bodybuilder of all time have to say about Dorian Yates? .......................y eah I thought so  ;)

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I already addressed this in my last post.

"Even if he later said he was unsure, it doesn't change the fact he said the judges would probably choose Ronnie. It shows that he feels Ronnie would beat him otherwise he never would have made that comment to begin with."

you didn't address that and that has NOTHING to do with you taking it out of context period , you omitted part of the statement for a very specific reason , even if later he said he was unsure lol later isn't another date that followed right after he said probably ( which in itself isn't definite ) bottom line you're attempting to manipulate words again , the whole quotes " Ronnie would probably beat me , I guess I don't know. "

This isn't definitive , it isn't concrete , it isn't concise again if I wanted to play with words like you the quote you keep posting about Arnold , Haney and Yates I could sum it by saying Ronnie said the following " I couldn't beat them. " end of sentence  ;)

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it speaks volumes about your argument when you have to quote a guy who speaks like a retard and has been proven wrong on several occasions. ;)

I love how you've been reduced to bad mouthing Ronnie because he crushes your fantasies and I agree that he has been proven wrong on several occasions however his opinion isn't wrong because you disagree with it , in fact I would say The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-Time is more qualified to speak on the subject than some lowly ' Certified Personal Trainer " LMMFAO after all he's seen both himself and Dorian compete firsthand , he does after all have the most Olympia wins and the most professional contest wins , a man with dozens & dozens of years experience in competitive bodybuilder lol you can attack Ronnie all you want but the mans resume on competitive bodybuilding crushes anything you were ever accomplish so his word is  gold and yours isn't worth pocket lint .. and what does Ronnie have to say on this topic on not one , not two , but three separate occasions? ......................ye ah I thought so  ;)


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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #244 on: May 29, 2008, 03:24:34 PM »
something tells me ND is going to run away from this thread just like he did the truce thread.

he is getting his ass owned royally, and he never sticks around long for that..
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #245 on: May 29, 2008, 03:49:02 PM »
I never said Ronnie beat Jay by more points than Dorian beat Kevin. I said the disparity between 1st and 2nd was greater when Ronnie won.

  You sad noob. Try to understand something, jackass: stating that Ronnie's win over Jay in 2003 was more dominant than Dorian's win over Kevin in 1995 is analogous to claiming that Ronnie beat Jay by more points. Why? Because bodybuilding is scored by points, so the only way to demonstrate your contention is by showing that Ronnie beat Jay by more points. You don't need to have written that Ronnie beat Jay by points word by word to have implied that. ;)

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Both Dorian and Ronnie won with straight firsts.

  Exactly, dumbo. And since both won with straight-firsts over their respective contenders and we don't know the point gap, then we must assume that they dominated equally.

  However, what is not debatable is that defeating Kevin in the best shape of his career is a greater accomplishment than defeating Jay. So, since both Dorian at the 1995 Olympia and Jay at the 2003 Olympia won dominantly, but Dorian defeated a higher caliber rival, then:

  Dorian's win at the 1995 Olympia = Ronnie's win at the 2003 Olympia(both won with straight-firsts scores)

  Kevin 1995 Olympia > Jay 2003 Olympia

  Defeating Kevin at the 1995 Olympia > defeating Jay at the 2003 Olympia.

  So Dorian's win at the 1995 olympia > Ronnie's win at the 2003 Olympia ;)

  So, unless you provide evidence that Ronnie defeated Jay by more points than Dorian defeated Kevin, then you have been decapitated. Hell, even if you provide evidence that Ronnie won by more points, it still doesen't mean much because Kevin in 1995 was just so much better than Jay.

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whatever helps you sleep at night. ;)

  What a witty reply. Or are you toying with me again? ;)

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #246 on: May 29, 2008, 03:54:22 PM »
now run along you bore me .

And yet he fascinates you sufficiently to spew volumes more of diahhrea lol.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #247 on: May 29, 2008, 05:01:12 PM »
something tells me ND is going to run away from this thread just like he did the truce thread.

he is getting his ass owned royally, and he never sticks around long for that..

Can you get any more wrong? I never stick around for that long lol I'll leave that stupid remark right where I found it lol

and if you call creating lies royally owned , oh wait you've done that too lol you own yourself and I just point it out.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #248 on: May 29, 2008, 05:05:45 PM »
And yet he fascinates you sufficiently to spew volumes more of diahhrea lol.

Whats funny is you retitled the pic ' dyhugebelly ' and his belly isn't huge his obliques are thick which is of course old news more proof of how little you know.

and when held in tight his oblique become much smaller ;) same contest see how simple that was?

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FROM RONNIE COLEMAN HIMSELF!
« Reply #249 on: May 29, 2008, 05:16:49 PM »
dorian 95 would get totally overwhelmed by 2003 Ronnie.
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