Soldier Suicide Rates at all time high: yeah, Iraq is a great thing...

[Slapper]

They didn't take an "Oath" to play paint ball.  So participation is optional.  they did take an oath to follow the commander and chief who also got the green light form congress so participation is not optional.

ADD has nothing to do with either of those points.  So i could be George Washington or Charles Mansion.  Nothing will change that.


Now, I Agree with just about everything you say regarding the war except the right of the soldiers to walk off.

You did not answer my question.

Isn't there a clause in the military code that states something to the effect that if an order given by a superior goes against the US Constitution the soldier is cleared to break the oath?

[Dos Equis]

You did not answer my question.

Isn't there a clause in the military code that states something to the effect that if an order given by a superior goes against the US Constitution the soldier is cleared to break the oath?

No.  The UCMJ has a provision that says a service member has no duty to obey an unlawful order. 

[Slapper]

No.  The UCMJ has a provision that says a service member has no duty to obey an unlawful order. 

Thank you OzMo!

In that case, what is it exactly that these people are promising blind loyalty to (or what)?

[240 is Back]

No.  The UCMJ has a provision that says a service member has no duty to obey an unlawful order. 

Some would point out that everything hitler did was legal.  Everything his people did in those death camps was legal.  he just changed the laws to some pretty horrible things.

So "unlawful order" doesn't mean much.

[OzmO]

Thank you OzMo!

In that case, what is it exactly that these people are promising blind loyalty to (or what)?

That was BeachBum.   I am OzmO.   You can tell who is who on the title bar of each post.  (in the blue part)  It says posted by: "XXXX" And UCMJ = Uniform Code of Military Justice.  Don't think that is in the constitution.  Perhaps you should pull up the "oath" they take.  Perhaps it's in conflict with the US constitution and no one has ever caught it in 200+ years.  You could hold a press conference and show us all what you found.  Or just post it here.   

[War-Horse]

Like 240 said.  The constitution doesnt mean shit in america. Its being overwritten by patriot acts that turn a soldiers chance of being honorable, into a blip on the radar.

[Slapper]

That was BeachBum.   I am OzmO.   You can tell who is who on the title bar of each post.  (in the blue part)  It says posted by: "XXXX" And UCMJ = Uniform Code of Military Justice.  Don't think that is in the constitution.  Perhaps you should pull up the "oath" they take.  Perhaps it's in conflict with the US constitution and no one has ever caught it in 200+ years.  You could hold a press conference and show us all what you found.  Or just post it here.   

 

I know that! I was merely poking a little (harmless) fun by thanking you for something HE answered. The question was directed at you though...

As far as your comment goes... let's just say A Few Good Men. Ok, so we can therefore say, with a high degree of certainty, that their (the soldier's) oath, their loyalty, is promised to a bunch of superiors who, depending on who governs the White House, may or may not put them in harms way or in places where national security per se is not really an issue. Hence their loyalty IS NOT to the US Constitution. That's fucking great.

And by the way, killing innocent civilians is indeed a crime in the Constitution. So is torture. Then again we didn't really torture at Abhu Ghraib, it was the secret service, although it was two of the army tweety birds who took the blame for it though. Real patriots for doing that.

[OzmO]

I know that! I was merely poking a little (harmless) fun by thanking you for something HE answered. The question was directed at you though...

As far as your comment goes... let's just say A Few Good Men. Ok, so we can therefore say, with a high degree of certainty, that their (the soldier's) oath, their loyalty, is promised to a bunch of superiors who, depending on who governs the White House, may or may not put them in harms way or in places where national security per se is not really an issue. Hence their loyalty IS NOT to the US Constitution. That's fucking great.

And by the way, killing innocent civilians is indeed a crime in the Constitution. So is torture. Then again we didn't really torture at Abhu Ghraib, it was the secret service, although it was two of the army tweety birds who took the blame for it though. Real patriots for doing that.

I concur.   

[headhuntersix]

Meltdown! We'll do it tomorrow! Hahaha.

Look, GI Joe wannabe, "concept of duty", concept of "country" and all the terms you talk about are all relative terms, meaning they mean different things to different people. It's only when you profess a one-dimesional, pseudo-fascist doctrine that attaches these relative terms to a specific group of people or geographical area that they then take onto a very dangerous dimension.

Now, go drown in you own vomit.

Look douche..u have no idea what it means to serve. Look if u really have a problem, go up to a recruiter and say so..visit ur local militray bases and explain why u feel that their oath is worthless and all they really do is play paintball. "pseudo-fascist doctrine"...u really wish this was the 1960's don't u...u really wish this was vietnam don't u. I bet u have the lib douchebag playbook open right now don't u...ur a worthless American...I'm sorry that u and Calmus don't count for anything and u feel less then a man...look when ur balls drop..enlist and u can find out yourself whats going on overseas..until then, I'd invite u and Calmus and warpussy to shut the hell up.
"

[War-Horse]

Look douche..u have no idea what it means to serve. Look if u really have a problem, go up to a recruiter and say so..visit ur local militray bases and explain why u feel that their oath is worthless and all they really do is play paintball. "pseudo-fascist doctrine"...u really wish this was the 1960's don't u...u really wish this was vietnam don't u. I bet u have the lib douchebag playbook open right now don't u...ur a worthless American...I'm sorry that u and Calmus don't count for anything and u feel less then a man...look when ur balls drop..enlist and u can find out yourself whats going on overseas..until then, I'd invite u and Calmus and warpussy to shut the hell up.
"

Hahahahaha.   Too Easy.      Being wrong all the time makes you melt,hh6

[headhuntersix]

Not a melt douchebag..i wish u would move and leave my country..u do not but bash it..so please leave. Pretty damm simple isn't it. U and ur 3 man group jerk each other off over Bush all day but can't come up with anything original to try and fix the problems. U've done nothing for the country...kinda like ur socialist messiah.