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Re: old dante
« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2008, 04:17:18 PM »
Protein is broken down to its amino acids during digestion.  Any amino acids that are not needed for various forms of protein synthesis, neurotransmitter synthesis, peptide hormones, etc., etc. are converted to glucose.  

The insulin will sense the rise in blood glucose and begin producing insulin in a level commensurate with the blood sugar level.  

The insulin will activate an enzyme called acetyl-CoA carboxylase.  There are acetyl-CoA carboxylase I and II.  
Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase will form malonyl-CoA.  Malonyl-CoA is necessary for fat synthesis.  Malonyl CoA is like the routing director for fat to the mitochondria.  
When ACoA Carboxylase is lowered, malonyl-Coa production is lowered, increasing fatty acid transfer to the mitochondria for fat burning.

When malonyl CoA is elevated, it increases the production of fatty acids.

So, protein is converted to glucose, which is then converted to pyruvate, which is converted to Acetyl-CoA.  If the glucose level exceeds the needs for energy through Kreb's, and exceeds the need for glycogen synthesis, it will be converted to fatty acids by the process shown above.


Exactly what I said!!  :)

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Re: old dante
« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2008, 04:17:55 PM »
[quote  =wes link=topic=217538.msg3024314#msg3024314 date=1212448638]
Exactly what I said!!  :)
[/quote] shut your mouth grown men are talking  :D

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Re: old dante
« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2008, 04:18:34 PM »
yea we know.
A few years now all drugs and bloat his mommy finds out and he's gonna shrink so fast it'll be like a pin stuck in a ballon.

pop goes the cageekzle!!

Little b*tch. :D

i like the kid's dedication, but he's got a mouth and an attitude that just don't match his accomplishments.

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Re: old dante
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2008, 04:20:25 PM »
Haha. Candi, you've been given the ten-count; you're out on your feet.  :D

/someone thrown in the towel

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Re: old dante
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
Haha. Candi, you've been given the ten-count; you're out on your feet.  :D

/someone thrown in the towel
shut your punk ass up


in fact, show me that gluconeogensis is dependant on the presence of amino acids and NOT the abcense of glucose





once you can prove this, then prove that the process (gluconeogenesis) occurs at such a rate where a sedentary person would have a glucose demand that is slower than that turn over...

and alos you gotta take into account that the turn over rate of amino acids to glucose is 2=1

so lets say, hypothetically, youve got 20 grams excess amino's. all of that is converted into glucose. you only have 10 grams glucose.

and that is a slow process too !!


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Re: old dante
« Reply #80 on: June 02, 2008, 04:28:23 PM »
shut your punk ass up
Just what is your damage?    ::)

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Re: old dante
« Reply #81 on: June 02, 2008, 04:30:18 PM »
it's a grudge match!

in one corner, a man with a list of satisfied clients a mile long, training and giving nutrition help to everyone from casual gym-goers to IFBB professionals, training and nutrition guru.... DANTE!!

his opponent, too young to legally buy alcohol, started using steroids weighing less than 200 pounds, he's never used his theories with any palpable results... CANDIDIZZLE!!

all right, boys, let's keep this a clean fight. GO!

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Re: old dante
« Reply #82 on: June 02, 2008, 04:32:30 PM »
it's a grudge match!
 DANTE!!

his opponent,CANDIDIZZLE!!

all right, boys, let's keep this a clean fight. GO!
ummm   dante would not be any kind of opponent of mine

in fact if anything on thi issue he wouldbe on my side.. protein wont make you fat, and people eat too little of it


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Re: old dante
« Reply #83 on: June 02, 2008, 04:45:40 PM »
ummm   dante would not be any kind of opponent of mine

in fact if anything on thi issue he wouldbe on my side.. protein wont make you fat, and people eat too little of it



Answer my questions  >:(
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Re: old dante
« Reply #84 on: June 02, 2008, 04:49:48 PM »
Candid is melting all over the place - must be burning calories like a proteinpowered jet-engine.
Some good ideas here.

Q for Candid:
How many grams of protein do you take in daily? no idea... about as much as i can get really.. about 75-125 g per meal, eat every 3 hours or so

Will you try to eat yourself up to 600g a day?  somedays i might be over some days i might be under

Does anybody know how JayCutler is able to eat so much food (10 meals ala 1000kkals) and still be lean.... how can he burn 10000kkals a day??? jay cutler is HUGE, for one, and jay cutler take a whole lot of GH


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Re: old dante
« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2008, 04:50:55 PM »

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Re: old dante
« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2008, 04:51:46 PM »

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Re: old dante
« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2008, 05:11:35 PM »
i like the kid's dedication, but he's got a mouth and an attitude that just don't match his accomplishments.

pretty much spot on-he'll never amount to anything other than destruction of himself....  :-\ unfortunately...

I may just call his mommy or grandpappy and ask them if they know what their baby boy candy is doing all day on the internet and to check him for those dirty steroids... :-*


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Re: old dante
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2008, 05:13:57 PM »
pretty much spot on-he'll never amount to anything other than destruction of himself....  :-\ unfortunately...

I may just call his mommy or grandpappy and ask them if they know what their baby boy candy is doing all day on the internet and to check him for those dirty steroids... :-*



go ahead broski

 why wouldnt my family know?

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Re: old dante
« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »
ummm   dante would not be any kind of opponent of mine

in fact if anything on thi issue he wouldbe on my side.. protein wont make you fat, and people eat too little of it



dante wouldn't have anything to do with an ass monkey like you... :-X

god you are pathetic....

Portrati of CANDIDATE DIZZLE:

chubby lil bloated insecure 19 year old uglee monkee looking virgin....sits around rubbing out protein from his dick and drinking his own piss because he read somewhere on the internet that you lose 20% of orals in your urine so he drinks his own piss

nastee little cuss...
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Re: old dante
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2008, 05:16:47 PM »
 jason your so cute  :-*

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Re: old dante
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2008, 05:25:50 PM »
Thanks for your insight Candid.
Do you think Trey Brewer is a victim of the bulk-up mentality?
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Re: old dante
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2008, 05:30:13 PM »
Thanks for your insight Candid.
Do you think Trey Brewer is a victim of the bulk-up mentality?
trey brewer is a victim of  stupidity.  ;D

looking at what he says he eats off season the dude eats like twice the carbs jay cutler does

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Re: old dante
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2008, 05:32:50 PM »
candidickle hasn't posted a pic in months.

chances are, he's a fat waterlogged mess now.
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Re: old dante
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2008, 05:35:20 PM »
candidickle hasn't posted a pic in months.

chances are, he's a fat waterlogged skinny mess now.
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Re: old dante
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2008, 05:41:08 PM »
candidickle hasn't posted a pic in months.

chances are, he's a fat waterlogged mess now.

Pretty dirty tactics to ask for a picture   >:(
Candid beware: Mr. Cortisol wants to take advantage of your epic subconscious thirst to seek approval.
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Re: old dante
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2008, 05:41:54 PM »
candidickle hasn't posted a pic in months.

chances are, he's a fat waterlogged mess now.

pretty much...

he's still a piglet though... :-* sad little fat bloated fk... :-[
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Re: old dante
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2008, 05:45:54 PM »
CUM GLAZED EYES   

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Re: old dante
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2008, 09:02:36 PM »
KE INTO ACCOUNT THE BODYS HIGH DEMAND FOR PROTEIN, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW THE BODY DEALS WITH HUGE SURGES IN AMINO ACIDS (EXAMPLE= WHEY) , TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE HUGE THERMIC EFFECT OF DIGESTING PROTEIN, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SLOW RATE OF DIGESTION MEAT HAS, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE TURNOVER RATIO OF PROTEIN INTO GLUCOSE, AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE RATE AT WHICH THAT TURNOVER OF AMINO ACIDS INTO GLUCOSE OCCURS

AND AGAIN, I ASK YOU, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW PROTEIN IS GOING TO MAKE YOU FAT


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the above is the argument

protein wont make you fat


as for the theoritical ability for ingested amino acids to go through the processes leading to some fat storage, THAT WAS NOT THE ARGUMENT

but, i will argue that that process is purely hypothetical. and gluconeogensis is depndant on lack of glucose not presence of amino acids

howver i could be wrong and im waiting for some kind of study from the EXPERTS  :D

All calorie is, is a measure of heat.  It is the amount of energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celcius.  The "calories" we measure are Calories or Kilo-calories. 
Excess ingested calories are extra energy.  Ingest an amount of energy above and beyond what your body exerts during that time period, and the excess energy has to be stored. 
It can be stored through synthesis of new proteins, glycogen, or fat. 

I don't think people realize how little of the protein we ingest is converted to muscle mass.  VERY, VERY few grams per day at best. 
If you can convert 20g of ingested protein to new muscle each day, you can expect to add over 320 pounds of pure muscle mass by the time you're 38 years old.  If you're 180lbs now, you would be 500lbs of shredded beef at age 38.

500lbs of muscle mass at age 38 from ONLY 20g of protein synthesis a day.  If you're eating 600g of protein a day, what do you think the extra 580g are going to? (assuming you're adding pure muscle mass at the astronomical rate of 20g per day)



There are benefits to high protein diets, which Dante has listed here. 
Protein has a high thermogenic nature.  The digestion and utilization of protein burns up a decent amount of its total caloric content. 
To be stored as fat, protein has to undergo a few biochemical processes which also cost energy. 



The total process of human digestion involves many processes.  While it would be wonderful if it were much more simple, it isn't. 

There are ways to increase caloric intake without increasing fat storage. 
One method is to alter macronutrient levels by the day.  If you increase your intake of protein and specific fatty acids on days that you decrease carbohydrate intake, you can take advantage of the thermogenic nature of protein digestion as well as the thermogenic benefits of certain fatty acids (gamma linolenic acid is one I've written about)

The resulting glycogen depletion allows for a period of higher carbohydrate intake where excess energy (in the form of blood glucose) can be stored as muscle glycogen instead of being stored as fat. 
Once the body exhausts its ability to store glycogen, fat storage will return. 

This is the basic concept behind our carb cycling approach at Troponin Nutrition. 



There is absolutely no need to produce a study.  Any physiology, biochem, exercise physiology, biology, or nutrition text book will explain this process in the metabolism section(s). 

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Re: old dante
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2008, 09:09:52 PM »
once you can prove this, then prove that the process (gluconeogenesis) occurs at such a rate where a sedentary person would have a glucose demand that is slower than that turn over...

and alos you gotta take into account that the turn over rate of amino acids to glucose is 2=1

so lets say, hypothetically, youve got 20 grams excess amino's. all of that is converted into glucose. you only have 10 grams glucose.

and that is a slow process too !!



stop talking to yourself.