Protein powder is a SCAM

[shiftedShapes]

The article doesn't even prove anything. Infact, it speculates about the amount of carbs and protein an athlete would need to consume after exercise.

No controled study done because they claim it's difficult. Pretty much a bunch of old people who weigh 140 lbs mouthing off without any measured study.

And it in no way states that a fair amount of protein isn't needed for someone who lifts weights.

This article outlines what is known by scientists about post-workout nutrition.  If you think you have information that goes beyond this most likely it is second or third hand propaganda from supplement companies.  Feel free to contest this by posting info from a respectable source that is not in anyway financed by supps.

[MisterMagoo]

hahha its so true------its always some old scrawny middle-aged guy at the gym who knows everything except how to not be both skinny and fat at the same time----or the 155lb personal trainer who are trying to lecture me on why protein isnt nessecary to build muscle


how do you seriously keep a straight face when someone with 60-70lbs less muscle is "setting you straight"

i'm pretty middle-of-the-pack, and it juts baffles me how many people from the lower third of the build spectrum think they know more than everyone else.

here's a story and i -wish- i was making this up. i really like the NO products (sorry, but there is a palpable effect in my workout, particularly since i keep my calories under control), and i was talking with another dude about which one i like best. in the middle of this, some guy about a buck fifty comes over to tell me NO products are a total scam and do nothing. he then went over to the smith machine and proceeded to bang out a monstrous set of semi-squats with 175 and it looked like it was really hard for the poor guy.

this isn't even an aberration. i keep getting really asinine nutritional and workout advice from dudes that would probably benefit from doing everything "wrong".

BTW, for you math folks, a 10 pound bag of protein is about $50 before shipping. that's about 180 22g servings = 3960g of protein. find another way to get nearly 4 kilos of protein for $50.

[candidizzle]

magoo i agree with you... certain n.o. products are really really helpful at getting a good porkouts.. some of them make you feel much stronger, and the extra blood flow can only help grow faster... 

[MisterMagoo]

magoo i agree with you... certain n.o. products are really really helpful at getting a good porkouts.. some of them make you feel much stronger, and the extra blood flow can only help grow faster... 

yeah man. i mean, even outside all the science-y stuff behind it, anecdotally i can tell you i notice a difference beyond placebo. it's not even that i'm necessarily "stronger" in the workout, but i feel a good kind of energy, not the weird buzz i get from ECA supplements.

i doubt it's a huge improvement over when i was in a massive calorie surplus, but considering i'm down about 14 pounds from where i was a while ago and stronger, i'll claim it's made a difference.

[Zaphod]

why is it the people who claim supplements are a scam are never very big?

Hahahah, quote of the fucking day.

[shiftedShapes]

yeah man. i mean, even outside all the science-y stuff behind it, anecdotally i can tell you i notice a difference beyond placebo. it's not even that i'm necessarily "stronger" in the workout, but i feel a good kind of energy, not the weird buzz i get from ECA supplements.

i doubt it's a huge improvement over when i was in a massive calorie surplus, but considering i'm down about 14 pounds from where i was a while ago and stronger, i'll claim it's made a difference.

now what would make you think that you could distinguish between the effects of the substance and the placebo effect?

[Bobby]

Hahahah, quote of the fucking day.

haha

as mars would say...protein was necessary?

[shiftedShapes]

why is it the people who claim supplements are a scam are never very big?

It isn't.  Plenty of pros will tell you (sometimes only off the record to protect their endorsements) that supps are BS.

[affy]

It isn't.  Plenty of pros will tell you (sometimes only off the record to protect their endorsements) that supps are BS.

list one

even nasser who claims he only needs 100-150 grams of protein a day acknowledges he's an exception

[MisterMagoo]

It isn't.  Plenty of pros will tell you (sometimes only off the record to protect their endorsements) that supps are BS.

list them and provide quotes. until then, start taking some scam supplements and maybe you can shop in the adult section of the store for once.

as for knowing the placebo effect isn't in play, the fact is i've tried about six of them and each caused a different reaction. one of them screwed with my stomach and didn't do shit. white flood worked well but the tingles and heart rate jump was too much.

but hell, we're just talking protein. and if you're claiming protein is a scam you're just retarded.

[shiftedShapes]

list them and provide quotes. until then, start taking some scam supplements and maybe you can shop in the adult section of the store for once.

as for knowing the placebo effect isn't in play, the fact is i've tried about six of them and each caused a different reaction. one of them screwed with my stomach and didn't do shit. white flood worked well but the tingles and heart rate jump was too much.

but hell, we're just talking protein. and if you're claiming protein is a scam you're just retarded.

HAHAHA you're the retard here.

I just gave you an article showing that there is no support for the massive post-workout protein dosing that the supplement industry encourages to sell their powdered milk.

Dexter Jackson lives on McDonalds, Levrone on fish, Ronnie on chicken.  If you see any of them eating a protein shake it's probably to appease sponsors.

Ask GH15 if the guys rely on protein powders he will tell you the truth.  That Nassar tells you he uses 100g of protein a day should show you that you don't need much proteing the man was walking around lean close to 300lbs.  You think that you need 200g at a skinny fat 200 LOL.

Any of the effects you reported above could be induced by a placebo.

[ToxicAvenger]

as Dan Duchaine once said..
Milk DOES NOT do a body good
and a certain soda endorsed by mr joe blow basketball player isn't all that refreshing
and you r going after protein powder ? 

[flagadajones]

the only sup that works is creatine.

For most natural weight lifters eating two or three solid meals a day is enough to garanty an optimal muscle growth.



Another thing; proteins repair and build muscles, but not all kind of proteins, and the proteins you find in powders are low quality proteins which almost can't compete with quality proteins from solid real food.

Seriously, can anyone prove that proteins powders work? We all tried, or are using it at the moment, but can you tell the difference between when you're using and when you're not? (for natural weights lifters only of course).

[candidizzle]

For most natural weight lifters eating two or three solid meals a day is enough to garanty an optimal muscle growth.

wrong...   whether your cutting or bulding you need to eat every so often to avoid a loss in nitrogen in order to stay anabolic/anti catabolic

Another thing; proteins repair and build muscles, but not all kind of proteins, and the proteins you find in powders are low quality proteins while whey protein does not provide any kind of sustained protein support, it is, for the short while it is in your system, absolutely one of the BEST proteins for muscle growth.   which almost can't compete with quality proteins from solid real food.

Seriously, can anyone prove that proteins powders work? We all tried, or are using it at the moment, but can you tell the difference between when you're using and when you're not? (for natural weights lifters only of course).

[flagadajones]

HAHAHA you're the retard here.

I just gave you an article showing that there is no support for the massive post-workout protein dosing that the supplement industry encourages to sell their powdered milk.

Dexter Jackson lives on McDonalds, Levrone on fish, Ronnie on chicken.  If you see any of them eating a protein shake it's probably to appease sponsors.

Ask GH15 if the guys rely on protein powders he will tell you the truth.  That Nassar tells you he uses 100g of protein a day should show you that you don't need much proteing the man was walking around lean close to 300lbs.  You think that you need 200g at a skinny fat 200 LOL.

Any of the effects you reported above could be induced by a placebo.

brutal truth.

[ToxicAvenger]

the only sup that works is creatine.

For most natural weight lifters eating two or three solid meals a day is enough to garanty an optimal muscle growth.



Another thing; proteins repair and build muscles, but not all kind of proteins, and the proteins you find in powders are low quality proteins which almost can't compete with quality proteins from solid real food.

Seriously, can anyone prove that proteins powders work? We all tried, or are using it at the moment, but can you tell the difference between when you're using and when you're not? (for natural weights lifters only of course).

i use designer protein..if Dan duchaine endorsed it good enough for me...

i also work long hours in a class room where i often cannot grab a good meal..

a quick protein drink washed down with some simple carbs does the trick...

pepsi anyone!

[flagadajones]

lol stfu with your babblings, the only person you're impressing here with your jibbling is yourself, haha what a moron. Look I've seen pics of you and you look like shit, a beginner at best who's into lifting weights since only 6 months, so please, stfu already.

Yes, from what we've seen you lost fat, but it doesn't make you a muscle building expert, especially at 19 y/o .

[Zaphod]

I believe there may be a number of studies that prove people ingesting supplemental protein powder grew more lean mass than the control group during a program of weight lifting.  

[candidizzle]

lol stfu with your babblings, the only person you're impressing here with your jibbling is yourself, haha what a moron. Look I've seen pics of you and you look like shit, a beginner at best who's into lifting weights since only 6 months, so please, stfu already.

regardless of what you look like, regardless of what i look like, regardless of anything at all... you are absolutely wrong and the corrections i made to your post are accurate

[rccs]

humm... like I said before... protein powder is a waste of money...

[Zaphod]

humm... like I said before... protein powder is a waste of money...

Considering the cost of chicken/steak/eggs, etc. I would say you're a little off there.

[rccs]

Considering the cost of chicken/steak/eggs, etc. I would say you're a little off there.

Probably.. but I bet that you still eat your hicken/steak/eggs along with protein powder... 

[Van_Bilderass]

yeah man. i mean, even outside all the science-y stuff behind it, anecdotally i can tell you i notice a difference beyond placebo. it's not even that i'm necessarily "stronger" in the workout, but i feel a good kind of energy, not the weird buzz i get from ECA supplements.

i doubt it's a huge improvement over when i was in a massive calorie surplus, but considering i'm down about 14 pounds from where i was a while ago and stronger, i'll claim it's made a difference.

I think the Nitric Oxide boosting part of these supplements is a scam. It's a smart move to include stimulants in them, otherwise most wouldn't notice shit = no repeat sales. Many of them include creatine, one supplement that does something (BW increase and strength).

Personally I've never noticed anything from any NO supplement. I wouldn't pay for them but most recently someone gave me a bottle of SAN Vault. Can't say I noticed any increase in pump and I double dosed it too.

[shiftedShapes]

I believe there may be a number of studies that prove people ingesting supplemental protein powder grew more lean mass than the control group during a program of weight lifting.  

yep and I bet they were conducted at Saskatchewan community college and funded by Met-rx or maybe Muscletech.

Do you disagree with the article I posted?

[shiftedShapes]

Personally I've never noticed anything from any NO supplement. I wouldn't pay for them but most recently someone gave me a bottle of SAN Vault. Can't say I noticed any increase in pump and I double dosed it too.

That's the problem, you need to tripple dose it everyday for a week to load, then it will work.