Guantanamo inmates 'have rights'

[240 is Back]

I'm pretty sure after we arrest them we have evidence collected. But what if we don't your willing to let those that you know are guilty be set free to kill innocent children and women with bombs strapped to their back? That is not morals, that is murder.

Brits held German troops prisoners for over 5 years after WWI, same with all the other wars we still have soldiers in Vietnam.

Okay.  Should US POWs be kept forever, when they're captured, as well?

[Straw Man]

yeah, "are you"

am I what?

willing to assume than I can't (or can) guess the innocence or guilt and thus the future action of certain people?

[Dos Equis]

I'm okay with this decision, only because we shouldn't be holding anyone indefinitely without charges. 

[youandme]

Okay.  Should US POWs be kept forever, when they're captured, as well?

They are soldiers. Not terrorists.

In war you act under guidelines. Terrorists don't.

[24KT]

to kill innocent children and women with bombs strapped to their back? That is not morals, that is murder.

What do you call it when the bombs aren't strapped to people's backs, ...but dropped from an airplane?

[youandme]

What do you call it when the bombs aren't strapped to people's backs, ...but dropped from an airplane?

 

Strategic warfare, with the world's most sophisticate laser guided weapon systems on the planet.

I have friends in the field that have seen the "mock" scenes terrorist put on, after they have blown up kids, throwing toys around the dead, and stirring up the villages to carry the dead bodies around.

[headhuntersix]

HH6 would grab a quick protein shake and be back on duty in 5 mins.

HOORAH!!!!!!

[headhuntersix]

What do you call it when the bombs aren't strapped to people's backs, ...but dropped from an airplane?

My head exploded....Ok I'm a lawful combatant under the Geneva convention. These guys are not. They are a mix of terror suspect and enemy combatants. They have special rules. We're following those rules. They don't get American lawyers, they don't fall under the protections of American laws. We could go on forever....this is a hugely bad idea.

As far as CQ and 240 go...were I to get taken captive...I'd end up on utube with my head cut off or dead soon after catupre in some other horrible way...because these are horrible people who don't have rules. But I would do my best to make sure i didn't get captured if possible. The 3 kids we lost over the last few years, that they found. They knew or had a good idea where Maupin was for awhile...i can't go into details. the other two guys..they know where they are but can't get to them, they're dead as well.

[youandme]

anyone have alink to the beheading of that kid?

Let's post some real reality for Jag, since she think the terrorists have it so bad.

[Fury]

This is what happens to Americans and other "infidels" when captured by terrorists.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/11/al.qaeda.iraq/index.html

"In a vein similar to the Khmer Rouge's grisly accounting of its torture victims, within the files of one al Qaeda headquarters in Anbar alone was a library of 80 execution videos, mostly beheadings, none of which had been distributed or released on the Internet. And all were filmed after al Qaeda in Iraq ended its policy of broadcasting such horrors."

" When three Russian diplomats were kidnapped and killed in June 2006, a well-polished propaganda piece was released. It showed two diplomats being gruesomely beheaded, and yet the third diplomat was shot with a pistol, in a different location. The full video of the slayings answers why.
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Though bound and blindfolded, the third diplomat struggled so defiantly that his ailing executioners could not draw their knife across his throat. In the horrific and chaotic scenes, the faces of his killer and the cameraman are seen. "

I have no sympathy for terrorists and their "rights" and I would much rather the US execute them.

I wonder how different it would be if the US were to execute every enemy combatant after interrogation in Iraq. I reckon a lot of these so called "insurgents" would think twice knowing they weren't going to a nice prison camp to hang out with their buddies.

Hell, I've seen videos of US soldiers giving medical aid to terrorists and insurgents after they were just trying to kill them. Would one Muslim do that? Fuck no, they would torture said injured soldier and execute them afterwards.

The Russians treat the Chechens like absolute garbage. China treats the Tibetans like garbage. Why should the US worry about what other countries think when said countries can't even follow what they preach?

Jag lives in a little fantasy world up in Canada. Should stick to peddling her shitty gas caps.

[headhuntersix]

The Russians tried fuzzybunny land during their first invasion of Chechny..they got their asses handed to them. After that it was media blackouts and flamethrowers (wonderful weapon) for everybody. I'm so glad BF chimed in. Great post.

[gcb]

I have no sympathy for these "terrorists" as long as they are terrorists.

[youandme]

Obama likes it, ACLU started this.

I wonder why we have to hire extra police and security to guard the courthouses everytime the ACLU rolls into town  to "defend" someone

[24KT]

Obama likes it, ACLU started this.

I wonder why we have to hire extra police and security to guard the courthouses everytime the ACLU rolls into town  to "defend" someone

...'cause there are plenty of terrorists out there.

[chaos]

This is what happens to Americans and other "infidels" when captured by terrorists.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/11/al.qaeda.iraq/index.html

"In a vein similar to the Khmer Rouge's grisly accounting of its torture victims, within the files of one al Qaeda headquarters in Anbar alone was a library of 80 execution videos, mostly beheadings, none of which had been distributed or released on the Internet. And all were filmed after al Qaeda in Iraq ended its policy of broadcasting such horrors."

" When three Russian diplomats were kidnapped and killed in June 2006, a well-polished propaganda piece was released. It showed two diplomats being gruesomely beheaded, and yet the third diplomat was shot with a pistol, in a different location. The full video of the slayings answers why.
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Though bound and blindfolded, the third diplomat struggled so defiantly that his ailing executioners could not draw their knife across his throat. In the horrific and chaotic scenes, the faces of his killer and the cameraman are seen. "

I have no sympathy for terrorists and their "rights" and I would much rather the US execute them.

I wonder how different it would be if the US were to execute every enemy combatant after interrogation in Iraq. I reckon a lot of these so called "insurgents" would think twice knowing they weren't going to a nice prison camp to hang out with their buddies.

Hell, I've seen videos of US soldiers giving medical aid to terrorists and insurgents after they were just trying to kill them. Would one Muslim do that? Fuck no, they would torture said injured soldier and execute them afterwards.

The Russians treat the Chechens like absolute garbage. China treats the Tibetans like garbage. Why should the US worry about what other countries think when said countries can't even follow what they preach?

Jag lives in a little fantasy world up in Canada. Should stick to peddling her shitty gas caps.

Exactly, the US is held to a higher standard than the rest of the world, why?


If we treated their soldiers the way they treat ours, they may think twice before engaging.

Get the media out of Iraq and let the US do what needs to be done.

[CARTEL]

Exactly, the US is held to a higher standard than the rest of the world, why?


If we treated their soldiers the way they treat ours, they may think twice before engaging.

Get the media out of Iraq and let the US do what needs to be done.

Chaos speaks the truth on this.

[Straw Man]

Exactly, the US is held to a higher standard than the rest of the world, why?


If we treated their soldiers the way they treat ours, they may think twice before engaging.

Get the media out of Iraq and let the US do what needs to be done.

we are the ones holding ourselves to a higher standard (first hint = this was a judgement by the US Supreme court)

Do you really think Islamic nutbags who truly believe that they are headed to a never ending gangbang with 72 virgins are sitting around contemplating the pros and cons of engaging our soldiers or committing acts of terrorism

[Fury]

we are the ones holding ourselves to a higher standard (first hint = this was a judgement by the US Supreme court)

Do you really think Islamic nutbags who truly believe that they are headed to a never ending gangbang with 72 virgins are sitting around contemplating the pros and cons of engaging our soldiers or committing acts of terrorism

Maybe not the foreign fighters from AQ but I reckon a lot of these homegrown part-time terrorists in Iraq would think twice before engaging coalition forces if they knew it was very likely that they would be executed upon capture. Instead they know that we're nice enough to throw them in a "prison" camp where they get to hang out with others of their ilk until they're released and able to rinse and repeat.

[youandme]

...'cause there are plenty of terrorists out there.

plenty of bullets that solve the problem much better

[Straw Man]

Maybe not the foreign fighters from AQ but I reckon a lot of these homegrown part-time terrorists in Iraq would think twice before engaging coalition forces if they knew it was very likely that they would be executed upon capture. Instead they know that we're nice enough to throw them in a "prison" camp where they get to hang out with others of their ilk until they're released and able to rinse and repeat.

I thought this was about habeas corpus

since when have we summarily executed prisoners upon capture and even if we did why would that scare them.   If they are engaging our soldiers they already know we're going to try to kill them

[24KT]

I thought this was about habeas corpus

since when have we summarily executed prisoners upon capture and even if we did why would that scare them.   If they are engaging our soldiers they already know we're going to try to kill them

You're trying to reason with the unreasonable, make sense with the senseless,
and trying to get a pavlovian dog who only knows how to react, to try and think.

Good Luck!

[Straw Man]

You're trying to reason with the unreasonable, make sense with the senseless,
and trying to get a pavlovian dog who only knows how to react, to try and think.

Good Luck!

It's OK - at least we're all being civil

[Hugo Chavez]

What's the problem? If they are guilty, it'll be proven in court. If it can't be proven they are guilty they shouldn't be there. How are you gonna spread democracy if you won't play by it's simplest rules?

They have zero concept of America and our Constitution or the history behind what guided the founding fathers.  But hey, they have a support the troops sticker and a tattered made in China flag flying from their SUV.

[Purple Aki]

The Russians tried fuzzybunny land during their first invasion of Chechny..they got their asses handed to them. After that it was media blackouts and flamethrowers (wonderful weapon) for everybody. I'm so glad BF chimed in. Great post.

Just finished reading an awesome account of a conscript's life in Chechnya:

http://www.amazon.com/One-Soldiers-War-Arkady-Babchenko/dp/0802118607/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213341283&sr=8-1

At one point, one of the Russians is found disemboweled and strangled with his own intestines - so in revenge, the Russians castrate every male in the local village. The Russkies don't mess around.

[Hedgehog]

HOW PATHETIC

It's already been proven that once released they go right back to killing people.

As if that is not worse US taxpayers will have to pay for 1) court appointed attorney 2) court costs

Liberals must want to either be blown up or innocent people to die

Pathetic my ass.

These are prisoners. Time to take them to court and have them put on trial.

Nothing pathetic with that.

That's what civil persons like us do.

That's what separates us from them.

We treat our enemies like humans, we don't torture, we don't hold without trial et al.

We don't send detainees to dictatures to get them tortured.


One of many reasons for impeaching Bush, is because he's likely responsible for many of these actions.


Liberal my ass.

It's about doing what's right. Knowing what a democracy is.

If you're democratically challenged, like Bush seems to be, perhaps it's time for impeachment.