See, I understand that some may not be guilty. But that's the way the world works.
But it doesn't have to. just as it didn't have to before many of the rights we fought along with others over history didn't exist. such as the Magna Carta. It would have been easy to say, as i'm sure many of the noble born did, that that's just the way the world is.
We have an obligation to pursue the truth and progress as a society and summarily punishing people that have even a less than 1% chance of being innocent is a step backwards.
There are guys sitting on death row for murders and crimes they never committed. As ridiculously shitty as it is, I'm not going to cry out for the abolishment of our justice system and ask for every convicted criminal to be acquitted because of the possibility that a few guys are innocent
Who is suggesting we abolish our justice system because f the possibility that there may be innocent people on death row? I'm certainly not. And i've to my best of recollection, haven't ever seen anyone here say that. Not even Jag for heaven sakes.
No one seems to have a problem with innocent AMERICANS in jail on here.
I do. In fact a few months ago, BB and I had a long debate about death row with arguing there are potentially innocent people that have been executed.
They would rather "fight" for terrorist rights.
I don't see that anyone here is "fighting" for terrorists rights. I do see some people here, me included "arguing" for everyone's inalienable rights.
The prison concept applies to Guantanamo in my opinion as well. Basing it on the fact that some guys are POSSIBLY innocent is foolish. It's already documented that a number of these so called "innocent" guys that were picked up on the battlefields go right back to what they were doing when they were captured. The world isn't fair. It's a pretty raw deal that these so called "innocent" guys are still there despite the dozens of jihadists already released. It pales in comparison to spending 30 years in jail for a murder you didn't commit. But no one cares about that, because they're American. It's sad.
I think you are gravely mistaken because their families can with-in the system file for appeals. Many do get released and i believe it's unfortunate that many innocent people are still incarcerated and i hate to think, that America with all it's ideals about freedom and justice, don't walk the walk when they don't have to, and that the supreme court must step in and make them.
And let's be honest, the governments information gathering abilities blows mine and yours out of the water.
That's an interesting statement considering that the "information gathering abilities blows mine and yours out of the water" got the WMD thing totally wrong.
Can you honestly tell me you think any of those guys still there are truly innocent? They've released 420 people already. I'm sure that after all these years they would have been able to determine who is innocent and who isn't. I'd rather err on the side of caution and believe that the 270 left there are probably the worst of the worst. It's not like our government is trying to deny they imprisoned innocent people, so why would they still be holding them? Unless of course it's due to the fact that these other countries don't want to take their citizens back. Life isn't fair.
I am in no way suggesting we should just release them. Here's what Beachbum says:
I have previously said foreign suspected terrorists shouldn't be entitled to habeas and I still believe that, but if the alternative is you leave them in prison indefinitely without charges, then to that extent I agree with the Supreme Court's decision and disagree with McCain. What we've been doing is Kafkaesque.
I disagree with him alot, but for the most part, unless he's f-ing around with his stalkers, he does make some sense.
Frankly, I'd rather see everyone put this effort into freeing innocent Americans, but no one gives a shit about that because it has nothing to do with George Bush. Just like most people care more about dogs than humans.
Much is put there. Can we do more? Yes.
