All drugs

[G o a t b o y]

You guys are so pathetic, the pros even without drugs would look better than you because of genetics, they have them, you don't have good genetics.  With gear you probably still wouldn't look as good as they do if they just worked out and ate right.  Then you add in drugs and they become even bigger, what an idiotic thread like Chic said, keep justifying your loserness.

jt

I'm trying to figure out where anyone here said they'd be as big as a pro if they took the same drugs?  No one said or even implied this, yet you schmoes who come out to defend your heroes always toss that strawman into these types of threads.

What is being compared here is a pro with good genetics on drugs and that same pro off drugs, and pointing out that the difference is massive... night and day... not just 5 or 10% as they all claim.  NO ONE is comparing gym rats to pros with great genetics.

Get it now? 

[Monster_Everything]

I think it's sad when 51 year old Canadian porn stars are in better shape than retired pro bodybuilders:

he does cardio ...alot of cardio

[Beener]

who really cares if they're all drugs? What does it matter?

[Bast000]

who really cares if they're all drugs? What does it matter?

because the pros boast that they are pros because they train harder. they suck basically.

[OneMoreRep]

Why does nike show basketball players in their commercials when so many of their customers are lazy asses who'll just end up wearing their nikes to work?

What lazy asses do you speak of that actually wear sneakers to work?  Are you fucking kidding me?  Who the hell else wears high top Nike sneakers but those guys you see playing basketball at the park at all hours of the day/night or the NBA athletes that are sponsored by Nike and wear them on the court? 

I mean, look at this shit..



In my line of work, and in most work, people wear regular shoes to work.  Nike and ReeBok sneakers are a thing of yesterday, today most fashionable males/females wear sneakers that resemble that of shoes, hence why the Diesel, DKNY, Puma & Sketchers brands are all in style now.  Inner city kids in the 11-14 age bracket are the ones who I see sporting those damn Nike sneakers (In particular, the high top ones that basketball players promote in their commercials)...  Those shits are horrible looking as all hell, they remind me of those space boots seen in the 1969 space landing, horrendous!




Bodybuilding.com employs Bob Chick.  Bob, although a heck of a nice guy and good looking at that, admitted that 95% of the clientèle at Bodybuilding.com don't even aspire to be bodybuilders or to even look like bodybuilders, so why the hell would you have a 270-pound poster boy advertising products geared at customers that don't want to end up that way?  Counterproductive no? 

You target a particular market with a figure that they can relate to in some manner that, in turn, will boost your sales.  If not for sticking to that simple formula, we can very well have an obese (500 pounds), bow-legged, 5'8, white guy promoting Nike Basketball sneakers and by your logic, Nike would have the same numbers in sales as they do by using someone like Kevin Garnett.  It wouldn't happen, plain and simple..

"1"

P.S. There is a reason why they use the tall, black guy on the right as opposed to the butterball on the left..



 

[divcom]

S##t...everyone as usual has the right answer.  Shawn has retained alot since his stage days  which he is probably doing some xtra test. Also...Ronnie came off a bit and was still a good 220 or so on a vacation photo with his wife.  Both men have football backgrounds.  I'm assuming they started off with a good base esp Ronnie out of college.  Phil, Tom Prince, Flex and some others were just bone thin guys to begin with before needle day. 

So...what is good genetics?  Does it have to do with limb length vs torso? Shawn eventhough short as Lee Priest has better limb balance to his truck.  There is no way you can attribute good genetics to response to needle sticks.
 
I'm thinking if Phil had "the Gift" genetics he would be in the NBA instead or Shawn would have had a nice NFL career as a 3rd back.   

[Beener]

I wear nothing but hightops and i've never stepped on a bball court in my life. They're comfy.

[Meltdown]

Harden the Fuk Up.

[kh300]

you can put jet fuel in a prius, but that wont turn it into a ferrari

[Beener]

I just dont understand why anyone cares if they're all drugs. I dont care what a bodybuilder looks like when they're retired, hell i dont care how they look in their offseason. I do care what they look like when they're on stage at a comp. I wanna see a buncha freaky mass monsters. Do I care if it takes a ton of drug use to get there? Fuck no who gives a shit.

[Meltdown]

THEIR FAMILY

[G o a t b o y]

you can put jet fuel in a prius, but that wont turn it into a ferrari

Once again, nobody has said or implied that you can turn someone with crap genetics into a pro by adding drugs.  No one.  This is about the 270-lb pro maxing out at 200 at best if he cuts out all drugs.  So your argument has nothing at all to do with this thread.

[webcake]

I just dont understand why anyone cares if they're all drugs. I dont care what a bodybuilder looks like when they're retired, hell i dont care how they look in their offseason. I do care what they look like when they're on stage at a comp. I wanna see a buncha freaky mass monsters. Do I care if it takes a ton of drug use to get there? Fuck no who gives a shit.

I tend to agree.

Its a bit of a shame that it has gotten to this level of "use" but bb'ing, like all sports, progresses. People want to see bigger bb'ers, bigger football players, faster runners and swimmers. For every sport, not just bb'ing, there is a natural limit that people can reach, then to surpass that, which the fans seem to want, they need to take extra measures to achieve that level.

Today is the era of the "mass monster". If the judging were to change, maybe the drug use might come down too. Who knows. I don't care what someone takes, i don't care what they look like when they retire. Seems like some people here care a little bit too much though...

[Beener]

Once again, nobody has said or implied that you can turn someone with crap genetics into a pro by adding drugs.  No one.  This is about the 270-lb pro maxing out at 200 at best if he cuts out all drugs.  So your argument has nothing at all to do with this thread.

But you're saying this like its a bad thing...or new information... most bbing fans dont give a shit how a pro looks after he retires. Well granted its cool to see them still huge, but if not who cares.  And who cares that its all drugs? Whats the problem here? Personally im happy that pros take a fuckton of drugs cuz it means they look huge and fuckin freaky, i dont really care about their health all that much as heartless as it sounds.

[Matt C]

he does cardio ...alot of cardio

LOL!

You guys are so pathetic, the pros even without drugs would look better than you because of genetics, they have them, you don't have good genetics.  With gear you probably still wouldn't look as good as they do if they just worked out and ate right.  Then you add in drugs and they become even bigger, what an idiotic thread like Chic said, keep justifying your loserness.

jt

No one defends me when the peanut gallery bashes my physique and that's fine by me.  No one defends the majority of people whose physiques are bashed on here.  That is just the nature of getbig.  So why is it that when pros like Kevin, Tom Prince, Mike Francois and others shrink down to my size, they deserve protection?

Guess which retired pro is pictured below? 

[Meltdown]

Nor do they.

[IronMagazine.com]

I think it's sad when 51 year old Canadian porn stars are in better shape than retired pro bodybuilders:

what's even more sad is that you're posting videos of them!!! 

[monstercalves]

LOL!

No one defends me when the peanut gallery bashes my physique and that's fine by me.  No one defends the majority of people whose physiques are bashed on here.  That is just the nature of getbig.  So why is it that when pros like Kevin, Tom Prince, Mike Francois and others shrink down to my size, they deserve protection?

Guess which retired pro is pictured below? 

lookin not too bad ther..... but fuk the vest............

[honest]

Many typical responses.  Mr. X works out, takes his protein shakes religiously, creatine, no2 etc buys flex magazine and attems to follow all the mostly bs workouts in there.  Still looks like crap and nothing even remotely like a bodybuilder, much less a pro bodybuilder.  So Mr. X starts taking steroids, gets a bit bigger, but still hardly looks like a bodybuilder and nowhere near a pro.  Mr. X becomes frustrated and jealous that he can't get anywhere near a decent bodybuilding level, much less a pro level and begins looking for an excuse. 

He can't use an eating excuse because that is in his control, he can't use a training excuse because that he is in control of, he refuses to use the genetics excuse because that in his mind is just unacceptable, so he chooses the only excuse left that he can't control.  He convinces himself that the pro must take an ungodly amount of steroids HGH etc to look like that.  Since Mr. X can't afford 60k of steroids a year like he believes the pro's take, he comes to getbig and decides to start bashing pro's when in reality it is deep seeded jealousy most of the time. 

BTW, ones response to steroids is also a part of genetics.  Some people grow instantly and immediately from reasonable doses while others can take large doses and get little.  Unfair?  Yes.  However that's life.



So true,

[Fatpanda]

You seem to know your shit when it comes to acting like an ass. A dozen posts in a row of typical Bbing nuthugging: "It takes a lot of dedication, etc....will power, higher pain treshold and all the usual bullshit" to convince people who have no need to be convinced because guess what? They train, they eat, diet, do the usual stuff most people who lift weights do. Most of them know their shit, the infos are out there, there's no need to be a fuckin' rocket scientist to find out how to train, how to eat, to see what the possibilities are, to experiment. The major difference between most people here and pros is that even those who juice are not stupid enough to do 1/4 the drugs those guys do.

exactly 

[Fatpanda]

the thread of truth 

[honest]

It is a sad part of bodybuilding that mg = Kg, but it is also true that some guys can compete at 240 on 1500mg and others need to take 4000mgs for 220. Drugs are a big part no doubt. But they arent everything.

[Meltdown]

No they are not everything that is why the IFBB don't do Drug tests, there is No need.

[TacoBell]

Many typical responses.  Mr. X works out, takes his protein shakes religiously, creatine, no2 etc buys flex magazine and attems to follow all the mostly bs workouts in there.  Still looks like crap and nothing even remotely like a bodybuilder, much less a pro bodybuilder.  So Mr. X starts taking steroids, gets a bit bigger, but still hardly looks like a bodybuilder and nowhere near a pro.  Mr. X becomes frustrated and jealous that he can't get anywhere near a decent bodybuilding level, much less a pro level and begins looking for an excuse. 

He can't use an eating excuse because that is in his control, he can't use a training excuse because that he is in control of, he refuses to use the genetics excuse because that in his mind is just unacceptable, so he chooses the only excuse left that he can't control.  He convinces himself that the pro must take an ungodly amount of steroids HGH etc to look like that.  Since Mr. X can't afford 60k of steroids a year like he believes the pro's take, he comes to getbig and decides to start bashing pro's when in reality it is deep seeded jealousy most of the time. 

BTW, ones response to steroids is also a part of genetics.  Some people grow instantly and immediately from reasonable doses while others can take large doses and get little.  Unfair?  Yes.  However that's life.

This is the truth.......

And if you think this guy doesnt know his shit, ask liquid c to post his rear lat spread
 

[Matt C]

It is a sad part of bodybuilding that mg = Kg, but it is also true that some guys can compete at 240 on 1500mg and others need to take 4000mgs for 220. Drugs are a big part no doubt. But they arent everything.

That's true.  Response is variable.  The point of this thread is that successful pros definitely have a great genetic response but do not necessarily respond as well to natural training.  Although to be perfectly fair, Kevin really did go out of his way to look bad and I would still say he is bigger and leaner than tons of twenty somethings who train and eat properly and don't forget Kevin is 43 next month.  Also, who knows if his endocrine system is even completely stable after his retirement from pro bodybuilding.