President BUSH PARDON's HIMSELF against POTENTIAL WARCRIMES

[240 is Back]

russia and mexico declared bankruptcy in 95 and 98 I believe.

It *can* happen.  I don't think it'll happen here.

You have a guy sleeping on your couch.  He has no money for rent and he's eating all your food.  You want to ask him to leave, but he carried a machine gun around with him.   That's the USA... the guy on the couch, with big loaded bases in 800 places around the world.  You can never totally ask us to leave, cause we might do something crazy on the way out.  You just keep feeding us and putting up with us.

[The Luke]

That's a bit simplistic 240...

It's well reasoned, but I'm not sure it's an apt analogy.


Study up on what how the Roman Empire disintegrated... they had sizable armies in every province who all opted to make a go of it for themselves in situ rather than return to the decayed bosom of Rome.


The Luke

[Mars]

whats your take on Jordan Maxwells visions the luke?

[The Luke]

Enlighten me Mars... never heard of the guy.


The Luke

[Cleanest Natural]

Bush and 99 % of the whole gov aparatus are either 50/50 human alien hybrids or mind kontrolled slaves.

THIS my friends,is the TRUTH.

[Camel Jockey]

Lotto winner="Times are great"

Job loser="Times are tough."

I've yet to see you defend him in a rational way

Always say some bullshit unrelated to the topic at hand.

People like me build this country...instead of complaining with no solutions like yourself and your backwards country.

HTH, but I doubt it.

Excuse me, but one of the principles of this country = to question government.. It's what made american into america.  The solution = to get that idiot out of office. 3/4 of this country doesn't want him in there, and last time I check we were a democracy.

People like you wont be able to build this country with a weak dollar, huge debt that wont be erased.

[Buffgeek]

...go look up any of the WHO or UN positive living indexes.

You'll find my country in with all the progressive modern socialist democracies... about twenty places higher up any of those lists than the US.

Americans fool themselves into thinking that America is still the wealthiest and most robust superpower in the world... but let's be honest, the average is being pushed up by an increasing number of obscenely wealthy billionaire plutocrats. The gap between rich and poor is growing....

That's akin to claiming the average crack house flopper is wealthy ON AVERAGE... when Britney Spears is smoking meth in the back room.


Why can't you argue your position instead of dismissing the arguments of others? You are contributing nothing to this thread.

Perhaps, like most Christians you suffer from the type of cognitive dissonance that precludes ever considering your own thought process... lest your flimsy belief system comes tumbling down like a deck of cards.



The Luke

Why do you bash christians so much? Not every christian is as ignorant as you would have us all believe.

[Buffgeek]

I'm from Ireland...

Americans (on average) are far more indebted than we are. We have one of the strongest economies in the world; free healthcare (9th in the world: USA is 37th); lower unemployment; a more inclusive middle class and we use the Euro (beating the dollar ever since its inception)... and we're scared shitless of the economic downturn.


It's much more likely that a post-dollar-collapse America will be coming to us (European Union) for aid... actually, come to think of it, thanks to the sound economic policies implemented by President Dubya the EU; China and the Saudis currently OWN America, don't they?


By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans

...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!


The Luke

Sorry I am just catching up but I had to comment on the Genocide comment.

Can you name me another civilization in history where the majority fought and not only freed but elavated that minority to equal status?  A huge percentage of americans died to preserve the union in which all men were created equal (except indians) but hey we have our casinos and fishing rights now and the white man gave us the internet so its all good...

[The Luke]

Why do you bash christians so much? Not every christian is as ignorant as you would have us all believe.

...I apologise.

You are right. But I would put it to you that your choice of words is very telling... I agree that "Not every christian is as ignorant as [Moosejay, Coach etc]" ...but by definition, all Christians are somewhat ignorant.

After all, it is an unenlightened version of a revelatory mystery religion.


Just as you simply can't be an illiterate copy-editor... you simply can't be a rational religious believer.



The Luke   

[Mark Kerr]

By the way, it wasn't people like you who built America... ignorance and partisanship are the symptoms of a failing civilization, people like you actually hinder society... America was built on exploitation and three concerted genocides:
-the genocide of Africans forced into slavery
-the genocide of Chinese immigrants
-the genocide of Native Americans

...my advice to all religious people: READ A SECOND BOOK!




The Luke

Not true. Slavery did not make America a superpower. Same with the American Indian war.

World War 2 and manufacturing made this country.

[Buffgeek]

...I apologise.

You are right. But I would put it to you that your choice of words is very telling... I agree that "Not every christian is as ignorant as [Moosejay, Coach etc]" ...but by definition, all Christians are somewhat ignorant.

After all, it is an unenlightened version of a revelatory mystery religion.


Just as you simply can't be an illiterate copy-editor... you simply can't be a rational religious believer.



The Luke   

Which type of society would you prefer to have the power that the US curently weilds (ie nuclear capability)

A communist/Socialt society that answeres to no higher power and only to the state

A muslim society which has very very strong views about anyone that does not follow their practices

A athiestic society of hedonists which only answerto themselves ( what are on the fat track)

or a (somewhat these days) christian society that belives in a higher power?

Which of the 10 commandments do you disagree with? (other than the first 4 which assumes you belive in a creator)

[The Luke]

Not true. Slavery did not make America a superpower. Same with the American Indian war.

World War 2 and manufacturing made this country.

...good point, but chronologically incorrect.

Slavery paid for the War of Independence... no War of Independence and America would now be a mish-mash of European colonies.


The Luke

[CQ]

Not sure where any impression that Ireland is "backwards" and would be getting money from the US came from. A quick comparison of most statistics on the 2 nations, as well as a look at comparative economic foreign debt issues would completely disabuse one of that notion. Most 1st world nations offer comparable levels of lifestyle, with varying differences in all aspects in each..with the 2nd and 3rd world being "backwards".

[MB_722]

we were a democracy.

An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

A Democracy

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy. In the direct type, applicable only to a small number of people as in the little city-states of ancient Greece, or in a New England town-meeting, all of the electorate assemble to debate and decide all government questions, and all decisions are reached by a majority vote (of at least half-plus-one). Decisions of The Majority in a New England town-meeting are, of course, subject to the Constitutions of the State and of the United States which protect The Individual’s rights; so, in this case, The Majority is not omnipotent and such a town-meeting is, therefore, not an example of a true Direct Democracy. Under a Representative Democracy like Britain’s parliamentary form of government, the people elect representatives to the national legislature--the elective body there being the House of Commons--and it functions by a similar vote of at least half-plus-one in making all legislative decisions.

In both the Direct type and the Representative type of Democracy, The Majority’s power is absolute and unlimited; its decisions are unappealable under the legal system established to give effect to this form of government. This opens the door to unlimited Tyranny-by-Majority. This was what The Framers of the United States Constitution meant in 1787, in debates in the Federal (framing) Convention, when they condemned the "excesses of democracy" and abuses under any Democracy of the unalienable rights of The Individual by The Majority. ...

A Republic

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate. ...

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

[flagadajones]

the next war is inside the West; it will take place between whites and all the other communities they welcomed over the past decades. And we're not going to win this one. Europe has lost this war already , and North America , wether it's the US or Canada , is next.

[gymguy]

Cafferty. Who the hell cares what he says.  Nothing intelligent has come out of his mouth in many years.