metformin + insulin

[Vet]

I know Dr. Atkins wasn't a big fan of insulin but was more fond of metformin.

Again, its a lipid/carbohydrate metabolism thing. 

[Vet]

I studied business and economy and i go to china once a year to check my biz over there, do you really think i need to prove anything to someone that think he's a roids master with a pt diploma bought at www.buyadiploma.com and that learned everything about meds by just reading google? haha sure

Sorry, that post is funny. 





On the other side, I gotta run Candy. I'll try to get online later tonight if you are still confused.

[candidizzle]

Lets see.....  


most of the insulins prescribed now days (humalog, novolog, lantis) are not "insulin".  It used to be diabetics were treated with actual "insulin" by injecting bovine or pork insulin.  These insulins are nearly identical to human insulin, differing by only a couple of amino acids each (pork is 1 or 2, bovine is 3).  This stopped with the DNA recombinant technolgies in the 1980s.   At that time, humulin R was developed which is a DNA recombinant technology "Human" insulin.  From there the technology moved to insulin analogues which are chemical structures similar to insulin which act on the insulin receptor, but really aren't insulin chemically.   They are an altered form, unlike anything occuring naturally in nature, but still have an insulin action.  


And for the second question,

No, I'm saying its not known to the best of my knowledge.  

synthetic insulin that acts like insulin isnt insulin 

[benz]

Sorry, that post is funny. 

On the other side, I gotta run Candy. I'll try to get online later tonight if you are still confused.

i know google is a great source of information, no doubt, but that is a problem these days, people tend to believe they can learn the same without going to uni and later buy a diploma online 

[candidizzle]

I studied business and economy and i go to china once a year to check my biz over there, do you really think i need to prove anything to someone that think he's a roids master with a pt diploma bought at www.buyadiploma.com and that learned everything about meds by just reading google? haha sure

you dont need to prove anything benz. you just need to keep your mouth shut and you negative baseless attacks off of this board.

[steveeray]

Is your wife Type II who's had to go onto insulin or is she type I? 

The reason I ask is I asked about that combination when I was having insulin resistance problems last year and was basically told it wouldn't work if there is no endogenous insulin production.  I've argued back and forth about it, but in the end the endocrinologist won. 

I just called to ask her. She is type 2,
Metformin helps produce insulin in the body.
Insulin is injecting straight insulin into the body.
The metformin regulates natural insulin production.
Hope this helps

[DIVISION]

You have to be kidding.   

......you can't blame the kid for asking questions.

The more he knows, the better, IMO.


DIV

[Vet]

......you can't blame the kid for asking questions.

The more he knows, the better, IMO.


DIV

I'm not. 

Thats why I tried to answer his questions to the best of my ability after I made my initial comment. 

[Vet]

I just called to ask her. She is type 2,
Metformin helps produce insulin in the body.
Insulin is injecting straight insulin into the body.
The metformin regulates natural insulin production.
Hope this helps

Yeah, it makes alot more sense. 

Thanks. 

[candidizzle]

synthetic insulin that acts like insulin isnt insulin 

[Van_Bilderass]

Metformin helps produce insulin in the body.

The metformin regulates natural insulin production.
Hope this helps

Nope

[Texastriceps]

  i can't remember the dose on the metformin but I took half a pill AM and PM any more than that and I got diareahh.  Lantus 5 i.u. with 4-6 i.u.s GH upon waking.  25 mcgs of T3 twice daily.  10 i.u.s of log post workout.  Some variations of that but that was basically it.

[Vet]

  i can't remember the dose on the metformin but I took half a pill AM and PM any more than that and I got diareahh.  Lantus 5 i.u. with 4-6 i.u.s GH upon waking.  25 mcgs of T3 twice daily.  10 i.u.s of log post workout.  Some variations of that but that was basically it.

You took a basal insulin with GH?   That goes right along with my idea of insulin resistance with GH.   

[G]

I just called to ask her. She is type 2,
Metformin helps produce insulin in the body.
Insulin is injecting straight insulin into the body.
The metformin regulates natural insulin production.
Hope this helps

yeah...whatever

[candidizzle]

You took a basal insulin with GH?   That goes right along with my idea of insulin resistance with GH.   

ive read many places that you need to take insulin wit gh because of the fact that with gh you become insulin insensitive. the exogenous insulin takes care of that. not too mention insulin and gh(igf-1) are counter balancing growth agents in the body,,, and having them circulatin in super physiological levels at one time would be super synergistic for muscular gains...

[abc123]

how did you utlilize the metformin?


and if you dont mind could you outline your slin protocol?

Candi, you are getting way ahead of yourself.  The last thing you need to take is insulin or the kinds of doses of Test of Deca that I hear you talking about. 

You are on your first cycle and should stick to the basics.  500 mg of Test or less should make you grow like a weed.  If you start with multiple drugs or with higher doses than necessary, where are you going to go from there?  It's just not necessary...With proper training and a good diet (which I give you credit for understanding at a reasonable level) you will get great results.

I'm not trying to flame you, but you obviously have an addictive and(or) abusive personality when it comes to drugs.  Take your time.  You will get better results and less sides.

P.S. The Mods should make you add a signature to your account that says: "I have no actual experience in anything I discuss.  Everything I say is hearsay and should not be misconstrued as well founded advice."   

[candidizzle]

broseph

i only am asking questions

i am interested in all kinds of things

[steveeray]

Nope

If I'm wrong then please tell me. The gentlman wants an answer and so do I.
If the doctor is wrong then please enlighten us.
I could of not called and gave dizzle advice.
You know I'm joking dizzle
Your growing on me AND there is nothing wrong with asking questions.
Also believe nothing is set in stone, sometimes going against the grain and the rules
gets you were others have dared to go.
But don't take the combo, you will know what sucking really is

[candidizzle]

If I'm wrong then please tell me. The gentlman wants an answer and so do I.
If the doctor is wrong then please enlighten us.
I could of not called and gave dizzle advice.
You know I'm joking dizzle
Your growing on me AND there is nothing wrong with asking questions.
Also believe nothing is set in stone, sometimes going against the grain and the rules
gets you were others have dared to go.
But don't take the combo, you will know what sucking really is

i was just interested , because metformin has been propagated as being a ptent insulin sensitizing agent.. and insulin is insulin.. so the combo on the surface seemed to be super synergistic... 


i am wondering now just what kind of use met can have at all. gh15 said he used it pre workout. but idk why

[G]

If I'm wrong then please tell me. The gentlman wants an answer and so do I.
If the doctor is wrong then please enlighten us.
I could of not called and gave dizzle advice.
You know I'm joking dizzle
Your growing on me AND there is nothing wrong with asking questions.
Also believe nothing is set in stone, sometimes going against the grain and the rules
gets you were others have dared to go.
But don't take the combo, you will know what sucking really is

metformin icreases insulin receptors sensitivity, thus makes the body produce less insulin..it's stacked togather with slin to help get maximal effect from the slin without using very high doses of slin or increasing the dose after a few weeks of use

[DIVISION]

P.S. The Mods should make you add a signature to your account that says: "I have no actual experience in anything I discuss.  Everything I say is hearsay and should not be misconstrued as well founded advice."   

Most people who post here on a regular basis know who Dizzle is....

No signature required.



DIV

[steveeray]

metformin icreases insulin receptors sensitivity, thus makes the body produce less insulin..it's stacked togather with slin to help get maximal effect from the slin without using very high doses of slin or increasing the dose after a few weeks of use

Another scientific way to explain it. When I go to the dr I just say "I need to take this when?" If blood sugar still is high then insulin added. Simple enough for me.
Mabe I need to ask the doc the specific function of medication, but I bet he would just say read the instructions on the prescription.
Then I'll say, Well I'm a bodybuilder and I want to add it to my HGH cycle.
 

[candidizzle]

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DIV

is that why you dont have one that says "i dont know jackshit about steroids or how the endocrine system functions. " ? ..everybody already knows..?

 

[G]

Another scientific way to explain it. When I go to the dr I just say "I need to take this when?" If blood sugar still is high then insulin added. Simple enough for me.
Mabe I need to ask the doc the specific function of medication, but I bet he would just say read the instructions on the prescription.
Then I'll say, Well I'm a bodybuilder and I want to add it to my HGH cycle.
 

glucophage by it self is a waste , just use humulin r + HGH, i personally am tsacking slin, IGFLR3, PEG MGF and pretty happy with the results( +AAS of course)

[Vet]

ive read many places that you need to take insulin wit gh because of the fact that with gh you become insulin insensitive. the exogenous insulin takes care of that. not too mention insulin and gh(igf-1) are counter balancing growth agents in the body,,, and having them circulatin in super physiological levels at one time would be super synergistic for muscular gains...

Basically yes.  GH is released during hypoglycemia to counteract the low blood sugar.  They work in opposition of each other, so a person taking GH is likely to have insulin insensitivity.