Is Kiyoshi Moody?

[Van_Bilderass]

No George is not natural,I never claimed he was.I gave him some pointers, and he was looking really really good.Even at 4 weeks out he is ripped, and grainy hard.
I cant explain why he looks off in those pics.I dont know what he did wrong, I havent talked to him since Monday.
Alot can happen in 5 days.He could have messed up on his carb load, or he could have stressed himself out.
If you let stress get to you, it will smooth you out.
Temper and Van Bilderass, why dont you 2 clowns post pics of yourself???
You sit behind your computer and pick apart melike your have some knowledge, well lets see what you look like.
Atleast I can back up what I say, because I am actually a bodybuilder.Anybody can read Patrick Arnolds articles, and claim that know what they are talking about.But unless you been on a bodybuilding stage and been below 4% bodyfat, shut your mouth.
I hate people who talk trash, yet they hide behind a computer screen because they dont have the physique to back it up.You 2 losers are just like those idiots that walk around UFC with "TAP OUT" shirts telling everybody they trained with the Gracies, yet they never been in a fight in the life.

Please explain how a guy like Kiyoshi develops gyno in his 30's which he then has to have surgically removed. That's not teenage gyno. That's gyno as a result of substantial steroid use. Please explain why he developed gyno as an adult! It also appears he is sponsored by Dave Palumbo, a guy who openly helps competitors beat the drug tests at natural shows.

You are an idiot, scammer and a fraud. You are lucky Patrick Arnold didn't want to start another flame war, he would've torn you a new asshole. You claiming to have invented DHEA was hilarious.

There are plenty of competitors and experts who have posted pics here who will tell you you're full of shit.

[Ex Coelis]

I get upset when people lie about being natural - it's insulting

[kyomu]

Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock.  He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus.  In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse.  Very nice, polite and hard working.  I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!

Chris. Its super honor to talk to you.
But how can you explain his gyno?

[temper35]

Please explain how a guy like Kiyoshi develops gyno in his 30's which he then has to have surgically removed. That's not teenage gyno. That's gyno as a result of substantial steroid use. Please explain why he developed gyno as an adult! It also appears he is sponsored by Dave Palumbo, a guy who openly helps competitors beat the drug tests at natural shows.

You are an idiot, scammer and a fraud. You are lucky Patrick Arnold didn't want to start another flame war, he would've torn you a new asshole. You claiming to have invented DHEA was hilarious.

There are plenty of competitors and experts who have posted pics here who will tell you you're full of shit.

I've heard someone claim Krissy Chin is natural, yet didn't she just win her pro card at the NPC level?

Didn't Dave do her "diet"?

[GetItOnNY]

Van ,first of all you idiot I dont sell DHEA, you sound like a parrot for christ sake.
Van please post a pic of yourself, so we can see what the "expert behind the computer screen " looks like.Like I said before, your like one of those idiots thart walk around a UFC fight with a "TAPOUT" shirt on who tells people they trained with so and so.They are the "audience tough guy" telling everyone around them how they could beat up the fighters in the ring, yet they never been in a fight there whole life.
Your probably also one of those guys who goes to bodybuilding shows talking shit about the competitors on stage, saying he is smooth, he looks like  shit, yet you would never have the balls to get on a bodybuilding stage.
Van its guys like you who ruin the sports.You have the true athlete " me" then you have the bitter losers" you".
Van unless you been on a bodybuilding stage or you post a pic of your self, do me a favor, and shut up.

[GetItOnNY]

Whateva, thank you for clearing that up.I sponsored the first Mr Get Big, and I defended you, after you won.I told 240 I am a sponsor of this show, and I feel "Whateva' won and should be given the title.I even sent out your prizes to you because I felt you won fairly.

As far as Kiyoshi Moody goes, I feel the guy is natural, you may disagree.You know what it feels like you bust your ass, and have people accuse you of drug use, it sucks.I know I been there.My whole natural career I was accused of drug use because I was a bigger then normal natural bodybuilder.If you are truly natural like I was there is nothing worse then being accused of drug use.
Kiyoshi Moody has a pretty good physique, that I think is obtainable without drugs.
He is only 195lbs, and he is lean but not ripped to the bone.So I dont think he is a drug free athlete.Maybe I am wrong, but that is just my opinion.
If you look at Kiyoshi Moody next to a light heavyweight at the Mr USA, there is literally no comparison.
I hope Kiyoshi Moody is truly natural because there is nothing worse then a person going into a natural show using anabolics, thats a a scum, bad in my book

[MCWAY]

Whateva, thank you for clearing that up.I sponsored the first Mr Get Big, and I defended you, after you won.I told 240 I am a sponsor of this show, and I feel "Whateva' won and should be given the title.I even sent out your prizes to you because I felt you won fairly.

As far as Kiyoshi Moody goes, I feel the guy is natural, you may disagree.You know what it feels like you bust your ass, and have people accuse you of drug use, it sucks.I know I been there.My whole natural career I was accused of drug use because I was a bigger then normal natural bodybuilder.If you are truly natural like I was there is nothing worse then being accused of drug use.
Kiyoshi Moody has a pretty good physique, that I think is obtainable without drugs.
He is only 195lbs, and he is lean but not ripped to the bone.So I dont think he is a drug free athlete.Maybe I am wrong, but that is just my opinion.
If you look at Kiyoshi Moody next to a light heavyweight at the Mr USA, there is literally no comparison.
I hope Kiyoshi Moody is truly natural because there is nothing worse then a person going into a natural show using anabolics, thats a a scum, bad in my book

I thought Moody was a tall, lanky heavyweight. In the pictures, he looks as if he's 6'3" and just over 210 lbs. He's actually 5'10", 195 lbs. I have on tape footage from the 1991 North American Championships (courtesy of American Muscle). There's a guy who 5'11", 195 lbs., named Frank Alexander. The commentator said that Alexander was too tall to be competing as a light-heavyweight. Most light-heavyweights were about 5'7"-5'9" and at the top of the weight class.

Now, light-heavyweights are super-short, 5'3" or so; yet they're at the class limit. So, a guy like Moody would look like crackhead, standing next to someone 7-8 inches shorter at the same bodyweight (i.e. the guys at the USA, Nationals, and North American).

[GetItOnNY]

McWay, that was my point.Kiyoshi Moody 5'10" at 195lbs isnt that impressive.Especially at a national level.Most guys in the light heavyweight class are 5'8" tops usually.
My friend George who just did the Mr USA as a light heavyweight was 5'2" and he weighed 195lbs, granted he was off but still he was huge.
Kiyoshi Moody would look like a stick on the Mr USA stage next to most of those guys.Plus he gets lean, but trust me he isnt nearly as hard as the guys on a national stage.
Anybody with decent genetics, could easily be 195lbs, at 5'10" and compete naturally

[Disgusted]

McWay, that was my point.Kiyoshi Moody 5'10" at 195lbs isnt that impressive.Especially at a national level.Most guys in the light heavyweight class are 5'8" tops usually.
My friend George who just did the Mr USA as a light heavyweight was 5'2" and he weighed 195lbs, granted he was off but still he was huge.
Kiyoshi Moody would look like a stick on the Mr USA stage next to most of those guys.Plus he gets lean, but trust me he isnt nearly as hard as the guys on a national stage.
Anybody with decent genetics, could easily be 195lbs, at 5'10" and compete naturally

Flex Wheeler weighed 215 when he won the USA's. Not sure exactly how tall he is but he's at least 5'11.

[mazrim]

Never understood how you could sleep with yourself claiming natty when you're not. Though, most cheat the system anyways, so maybe that's his reasoning.

[GetItOnNY]

Disgusted ,yes Flex Wheeler weighed 215lbs, when he won the Mr USA, but he looked alot better then Kiyoshi Moody looks.Besides 20lbs doesnt sound like alot but 20 lbs "on stage" is a shit load trust me.Most guys are lucky to put on 3-4 lbs "on stage ' a year, if there lucky.20lbs on stage weight is basically 20lbs of muscle.Putting on 20lbs of muscle is big task wether your natural or on drugs.

[Disgusted]

Disgusted ,yes Flex Wheeler weighed 215lbs, when he won the Mr USA, but he looked alot better then Kiyoshi Moody looks.Besides 20lbs doesnt sound like alot but 20 lbs "on stage" is a shit load trust me.Most guys are lucky to put on 3-4 lbs "on stage ' a year, if there lucky.20lbs on stage weight is basically 20lbs of muscle.Putting on 20lbs of muscle is big task wether your natural or on drugs.

Yeah but Flex is a least one inch taller which closes the gap as far as how much bigger Flex was in terms of weight. Maybe Flex would have weight 205 if he was 5'10. So, that would equate to only 10 pounds of muscle for Flex's steroids use and Flex has some VERY good genetics, better than Moody.

[whateva]

.So I dont think he is a drug free athlete.

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  J/K


I have no problem with you man.

[flexingtonsteele]

Yeah but Flex is a least one inch taller which closes the gap as far as how much bigger Flex was in terms of weight. Maybe Flex would have weight 205 if he was 5'10. So, that would equate to only 10 pounds of muscle for Flex's steroids use and Flex has some VERY good genetics, better than Moody.

above post and ive come to the conclusion.

Moody AINT NATURAL!!!!!

[Van_Bilderass]

Van ,first of all you idiot I dont sell DHEA, you sound like a parrot for christ sake.
Van please post a pic of yourself, so we can see what the "expert behind the computer screen " looks like.Like I said before, your like one of those idiots thart walk around a UFC fight with a "TAPOUT" shirt on who tells people they trained with so and so.They are the "audience tough guy" telling everyone around them how they could beat up the fighters in the ring, yet they never been in a fight there whole life.
Your probably also one of those guys who goes to bodybuilding shows talking shit about the competitors on stage, saying he is smooth, he looks like  shit, yet you would never have the balls to get on a bodybuilding stage.
Van its guys like you who ruin the sports.You have the true athlete " me" then you have the bitter losers" you".
Van unless you been on a bodybuilding stage or you post a pic of your self, do me a favor, and shut up.

I already said I LOOK LIKE CRAP, which is why I don't post pics (I have stood on stage though). I have never said I could beat anyone or that I look better than someone else. I rarely criticize peoples physiques on here. Someone's attitude I might criticize though. This isn't about jealousy. I'm especially not jealous of you, that's for sure. You are a liar and a fool, that's my issue with you.

As far as the DHEA issue, people can decide for themselves here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5561861

[Van_Bilderass]

above post and ive come to the conclusion.

Moody AINT NATURAL!!!!!

Besides, bodyweight alone only says so much. Just look at the pics (note the bitch tits as well - what natural bb develops gyno in his 30's?).

[GetItOnNY]

I can see it now Van Bilderass, at as UFC, a beer in one hand cigarette in the other wearing one of his 20 "TAPOUT "  shirts.Yelling I can fight better then that, you pussy, to the fighters at UFC.Even though he never been in a fight in his life.
All talk no action, just another internet chump, lol
Here is one of Vans fine looking shirts

[BARDO]

i know this really has not much to do with the topic but i know a guy who took 2 shots of sust  when he was like 18-20 and got gyno and had to have it removed.. he never took stuff ever again...has been natural since and is 36...in  a case like this?  would u call the guy natural? kyoishi is a cool guy.. very humble honest and been thru alot in his life.. like someone else mentioned hes very tall for a lightheavy he has good lines but not the thickness .. look at charles dixon the guy was 5'3 198 as a lightheavy.. thats impossible stats.. i believe moody is 5'10 or so..to be 195 at that weight isnt that insane

[chaos]

Getitonny..........have you posted a pic of yourself? Are you natural?

[RagingBull]

kyoishi is a cool guy.. very humble honest and been thru alot in his life..

I'm sure he's humble...

[BARDO]

this came from his site :


I'm a 100% natural bodybuilder. I have my haters!!! But does it bother me? Nah makes me stronger for the people who doubt that I'm 100% natural. I was born in Japan and brought to the United States by my mother when I was only 9 months old. My father passed away when I was only 9 months. Being 1/2 japanese and 1/2 afro-american, my mother thought it would be a good idea to leave Japan because being half african american I would be looked down upon and not fit in with the other kids. So we traveled to the U.S. to stay with my father's parents in Georgia. Even there I would be looked down upon because I was Japanese. So my mother packed up again and we moved to San Diego where I have lived ever since. Growing up and being raised by only my mother I missed out on alot of things. With no brothers or sisters I had to be very creative with my time I was alone waiting for my mother to get home from work. Too almost burning down my house, going to the store and stealing candy. yeah thats right stealing candy, like you guys have never done it!! So to all the single moms out there I tip my hat to you!!! In 1998 my mother was diagnosed with lung cancer. That hit me very hard. I thought my mother was indestructible. She battled through, removing her right lung completly. No chemo nothing!!! No cancer they got it all. In 2005 my mother became ill with pneumonia and placed on a ventilator. After a month went by with no progress and her health starting to deteriorate. I did not want my mother to suffer and something I thought I could never do I did. I removed my mother from the ventilator. I still live with that last moment in her life everyday, but I know my mother would not have wanted to suffer!!! Her death hit me really hard. I attempted suicide twice. I came to realize I was being selfish and I knew my mother would be very disappointed in me, especially since I have 3 year old, beautiful little girl. So I took my mother's ashes back to Japan as she wished, and I spent a couple of months there, contemplating what to do with my life. When I returned from Japan I started training after a 2 year layoff. I quickly made alot of progress within one month. In March I entered the San diego Classic where I won the light heavy division and the overall. I always here my mother in the background when things are getting rough and I am feeling down. 'Gambatta'. meaning FIGHT!!! Do not fear the winds of adversity. Remember: A kite rises against the wind rather than with it.

[JohnnyVegas]

i know this really has not much to do with the topic but i know a guy who took 2 shots of sust  when he was like 18-20 and got gyno and had to have it removed..

2 shots at once-500 mg??? Or two 250 shots over a week or two??

All I can say is his body must have had a very bad reaction to the juice..... But sustenon is IMO the most powerful drug, at least for me it was.

Getitonny..........have you posted a pic of yourself? Are you natural?

He cometed natural and on juice.... I think he said he was 258# on juice...... which is pretty fucking big, but he actaully looked better drug free and 30# smaller.

[SweetMuscles]

2 shots at once-500 mg??? Or two 250 shots over a week or two??

All I can say is his body must have had a very bad reaction to the juice..... But sustenon is IMO the most powerful drug, at least for me it was.

He cometed natural and on juice.... I think he said he was 258# on juice...... which is pretty fucking big, but he actaully looked better drug free and 30# smaller.

Lol, your body has a very bad reaction the donuts you keep stuffing down
Also, get off this guy's dick for 5 minutes, you sound like his bitch

[njflex]

Yeah but Flex is a least one inch taller which closes the gap as far as how much bigger Flex was in terms of weight. Maybe Flex would have weight 205 if he was 5'10. So, that would equate to only 10 pounds of muscle for Flex's steroids use and Flex has some VERY good genetics, better than Moody.

jim,u know bbing as well as anyone here,moody looks very good and had great lines,and good muscle bellies esp from his heritage makes a difference,he's tall for asian too,wheeler had some of the best genes ever for bbing,his usa overall has to be considered one of the best in that show's history,his side chest pose from top to his crazy hams down was sick that night,he looked like he weighed 230 to 240 easily.back to moody clean or not he's good and i bet he would place top 5 in the usa's imo he has a good stage look ,i don't care if he looks small in clothes ,at gym,or dinner,what matters if your competing is to be stage ready and look lke u belong there,moody does.

[BARDO]

2 shots at once-500 mg??? Or two 250 shots over a week or two??

All I can say is his body must have had a very bad reaction to the juice..... But sustenon is IMO the most powerful drug, at least for me it was.

i believe it was 2 shots over like a one week period or maybe 2 shots for 2 weeks.. either way it didnt go past 2 weeks and it was 2 shots.. so even say he took 500 mgs for 2 weeks.. which is the high end of the spectrum to get gyno from that is nuts..i cant believe some people would be that sensitive.

but now.. would someone consider that NATURAL or NOT?