Have I reached my genetic limit as a natural?

[TrueGrit]

8-12?

8+12 maybe...

The OP is at the very limit of what the body can do naturally. Naturals like him will have a higer bodyfat. If he tries to cut too much he'll lose a lot of that mass.

[wavelength]

Well I'll be a man about it.   Serp you are a true hero and an inspiration to all of us.  I'll bow out of this comparison gracefully as you are the champ on this day.

Shit, I'm such a puny weakling.
You look great!

[_bruce_]

Looking whey better than X - props.

[mesmorph78]

no....
dont think of limits... think of training as a life long habit like eating or sleeping
enjoy it..the more u train the better you will become
drop all the science... about lbs you have gained.. all this crap about 5 lb of protein a day or whatever
train and enjoy your life...
no point obsessing about it unless your gonna be a pro bber...
but no i dont think you have...
and like i train enjoy your life dont be one of those.. pro bbing wannabees walking aroud with a fanny pack.... jug of water and food in tupperware
mes

[Sharma]

Im a bit bigger than X-factor and he seems to have maxed out too so I dont much headroom anymore.

Xfactor is not natural. He has said that he has injected test and used winstrol and dbol, To his credit he does not hide this.
True naturals look terrible.

[oldman]

you have reached your mental potential...years to go on the physical though

[MAXX]

gimmic  

[shiftedShapes]

Xfactor is  definitely single digit and your are between 8- 12% bodyfat. You have bigger chest, arms and neck. Cut and then concentrate on strength and condition for as a natty you won't be able to pack more muscle onto that frame.

this must be a joke as well, sorry it';s hard to seperate sarcasm in this gimmick thread.

I think he's probably over 30% BF.

[dustin]

You look like shit, and judging by your attitude you are a huge loser. Maybe you can meet a loser companion here on the internet. Seems like bodybuilding is not your thing.

[kyomu]

This guy is insane i think.  Guys, look at his eyes....

[dustin]

This guy is insane i think.  Guys, look at his eyes....

Kyomu, that's rude... I think he's just incest. It's not his fault.

[sinbad]

gimmick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kyomu]

Kyomu, that's rude... I think he's just incest. It's not his fault.

[XFACTOR]

Xfactor is not natural. He has said that he has injected test and used winstrol and dbol, To his credit he does not hide this.
True naturals look terrible.

You are incorrect.  I never have and never would do d-bol. The test and winny I did for 6 weeks almost two years ago, it gave me flu like symptoms though, and it wasn't fun. 

[Sharma]

There is nothing wrong with dbol. Very quickly a serious trainer will need to use some AAS. I was not being critical of you using. To me, I find naturals hard to take very seriously as they usually look like shit and think they do something noble when in fact sensible use of steroids can be beneficial in all ways.

[dustin]

There is nothing wrong with dbol. Very quickly a serious trainer will need to use some AAS. I was not being critical of you using. To me, I find naturals hard to take very seriously as they usually look like shit and think they do something noble when in fact sensible use of steroids can be beneficial in all ways.

LOL I hate to be so brutal, but this is pretty much true. You can look pretty good as a natural, but 9/10 people will NOT. It's the honest truth, eh... you cannot have a physique that looks outstanding without taking exogenous hormones and drugs. But you can look pretty darned good without. You just won't turn many heads.

[XFACTOR]

There is nothing wrong with dbol. Very quickly a serious trainer will need to use some AAS. I was not being critical of you using. To me, I find naturals hard to take very seriously as they usually look like shit and think they do something noble when in fact sensible use of steroids can be beneficial in all ways.

If anything, to be quite frank, I want to try HGH.  I really am curious about it, yet not knowledgable on the stuff. 

 Without a doubt though, being on test made my strength jump through the roof.  I felt a little sick, but still the gains from doing that are just crazy!!

[Camel Jockey]

Im 6,1, 230 been training for about 8 years and recently I cant see any dramatic gains like I did in the first 8 years.Im a bit bigger than X-factor and he seems to have maxed out too so I dont much headroom anymore.So I'm wondering now if its time to turn to the 'Darkside' .I think I'd blow up on a small cycle as I have always responded well to changes in routines and diet etc.Im just a little worried about sides

hahahaha

This has to be a gimmick.. Better than dov's pictures

[kyomu]

If anything, to be quite frank, I want to try HGH.  I really am curious about it, yet not knowledgable on the stuff. 

 Without a doubt though, being on test made my strength jump through the roof.  I felt a little sick, but still the gains from doing that are just crazy!!

A question.
Why you want to keep on doing cycle in spite of not competing?
You have great body but i strongly believe that you could achive your level of body with natural state too.
The gear makes you a slave. You must do it forever to maintain that level and being afraid of side effect.
But if you are natural, its all yours. You can get it back whenever you want.

I truly believe that you can do it.

Why dont you join my club?

[Sharma]

If anything, to be quite frank, I want to try HGH.  I really am curious about it, yet not knowledgable on the stuff. 

 Without a doubt though, being on test made my strength jump through the roof.  I felt a little sick, but still the gains from doing that are just crazy!!

You will hear so, so many different opinions of it (GH). Some absolutely swear by it and some feel it has done nothing for them despite them spending many thousands on it. It is my understanding that on its own - ie with no steroids at all - it is almost useless and the results are disappointing. It is certainly worth trying. With the test, I don't see any harm in anyone experimenting with smallish amounts and getting a helping hand. It does not have to be extreme necessarily. I mean, we know that at 30 and 40 the levels drop dramatically so why would it be so terrible and dangerous to use a little to bring it up and maybe a bit beyond what it was when were 18? It is just hysteria that prevents people from doing so and thinking this is a dangerous thing to do.

 If you do try GH then you should definitely use some aas alongside.

[bodybuilder1234]

[XFACTOR]

A question.
Why you want to keep on doing cycle in spite of not competing?
You have great body but i strongly believe that you could achive your level of body with natural state too.
The gear makes you a slave. You must do it forever to maintain that level and being afraid of side effect.
But if you are natural, its all yours. You can get it back whenever you want.

I truly believe that you can do it.

Why dont you join my club?

Well I only did that one, it's been I guess 20mos.  Granted I put on some awesome size and strength, that I feel I never would have achieved otherwise.  At least in that time frame.  

Reality though, I've heard great things about HGH. Who wouldn't want to do something that is nicknamed "the fountain of youth" drug?

[XFACTOR]

You will hear so, so many different opinions of it (GH). Some absolutely swear by it and some feel it has done nothing for them despite them spending many thousands on it. It is my understanding that on its own - ie with no steroids at all - it is almost useless and the results are disappointing. It is certainly worth trying. With the test, I don't see any harm in anyone experimenting with smallish amounts and getting a helping hand. It does not have to be extreme necessarily. I mean, we know that at 30 and 40 the levels drop dramatically so why would it be so terrible and dangerous to use a little to bring it up and maybe a bit beyond what it was when were 18? It is just hysteria that prevents people from doing so and thinking this is a dangerous thing to do.

 If you do try GH then you should definitely use some aas alongside.

True, I do have an understanding that test needs to be combined.  As much as I worrry about shutting myself down, (test levels) does it really, matter I'm an old man anyway  at 31.
 The thought of gaining 15 pounds of muscle is really appealing. 

[kyomu]

Well I only did that one, it's been I guess 20mos.  Granted I put on some awesome size and strength, that I feel I never would have achieved otherwise.  At least in that time frame.  

Reality though, I've heard great things about HGH. Who wouldn't want to do something that is nicknamed "the fountain of youth" drug?

Then if you quit HGH, what will happen?
Is it permanent? Or shrink?
Thats very important question.

[nukkaready]

Then if you quit HGH, what will happen?
Is it permanent? Or shrink?
Thats very important question.

you are an idiot... you quit gh and you will lose... you quit train and you will lose... anything you quit you will lose... for fukks sake life is only temporary... you will lose it... anything is temporary.