Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!

[Method101]

also, what is his age?   lot easier to build and maintain muscle mass when in your early 20s than in your 30s and 40s.  

the golden age for muscularity is late twenties to mid 30s.

[DK II]

another clown who thinks your testosterone levels drop by 60 percent the second you hit 30.

Yup.

Test immediately shuts down when you hit 30.

 

[Method101]

'teh' natural legend

Croatch

Brutal tribal tat on arm and "USA" tattoo on leg making you look like a tit.

[BIG ACH]

also, what is his age?   lot easier to build and maintain muscle mass when in your early 20s than in your 30s and 40s.   

in the pre-steroid era, bodybuilding was a young man's sport.  30 was considered old, 35 very old.

How could you say that?  bodybuilding is an age game , for one to build up that muscle maturity you need time, bodybuilders don't normally hit their peaks until 30-35! 

[Method101]

How could you say that?  bodybuilding is an age game , for one to build up that muscle maturity you need time, bodybuilders don't normally hit their peaks until 30-35! 

translation:

it usually takes that long before the pros find the right combination of drugs that work for them.

[timfogarty]

How could you say that?  bodybuilding is an age game , for one to build up that muscle maturity you need time, bodybuilders don't normally hit their peaks until 30-35! 

history doesn't support that view.  competing in your 30s was very rare prior to the availablity of steroids

[BIG ACH]

history doesn't support that view.  competing in your 30s was very rare prior to the availablity of steroids

Are you forgetting the advancements in supplements?  The advancements in science that help us develop better nutrition plans?  Hell even the advancements of training machines?

[spinnis]

also, what is his age?   lot easier to build and maintain muscle mass when in your early 20s than in your 30s and 40s.   

in the pre-steroid era, bodybuilding was a young man's sport.  30 was considered old, 35 very old.

19 like me lol.

[tom joad]

Chris Faildo.

[timfogarty]

Are you forgetting the advancements in supplements?  The advancements in science that help us develop better nutrition plans?  Hell even the advancements of training machines?

name any training method (HIT, etc), any diet (cyclical ketogenic, carbo loading, high fat, low fat, etc), and someone was doing it in the 50s and 60s.  they didn't use those names, but you can find articles in the mags describing it.

Nor do I see how any machine would allow a natural bodybuilder to counter the effects of time.

So I guess natural bodybuilders can accomplish so much more than they could 30-40 years ago because of Designer Whey, Anabolic Xtreme Rampage, and NOExplode.    

Really the only thing that might be affecting today's natural bodybuilders is the massive amounts of caffeine they are consuming in these energy drinks.   But then are they really natural?   Large doses of caffeine is banned in the Olympics.  

[timfogarty]

Chris Faildo.

already a long thread about Chris.  we don't believe it is possible to maintain that size while having that conditioning naturally.     size, it may be possible.  conditioning, maybe.  both at the same time, very unlikely.

[BIG ACH]

name any training method (HIT, etc), any diet (cyclical ketogenic, carbo loading, high fat, low fat, etc), and someone was doing it in the 50s and 60s.  they didn't use those names, but you can find articles in the mags describing it.

Nor do I see how any machine would allow a natural bodybuilder to counter the effects of time.

So I guess natural bodybuilders can accomplish so much more than they could 30-40 years ago because of Designer Whey, Anabolic Xtreme Rampage, and NOExplode.    

Really the only thing that might be affecting today's natural bodybuilders is the massive amounts of caffeine they are consuming in these energy drinks.   But then are they really natural?   Large doses of caffeine is banned in the Olympics.  

They had steroids in the 50's and 60's buddy!  Maybe not as widespread as it is today, but they were there!

[mwbbuilder]

Why the hell would anyone listen to Tim Fogerty? He has a passion for male body--but he doesn't work out or anything.

Big Ach - that's the problem. If you want to excel at ANYTHING in life:

DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT AVERAGE, JOE BLOWs have to  say.

WHAT THE HELL DO THEY KNOW? WHY DO YOU CARE?

I'll get you the answer in short:

5 pounds more than they have been able to get themselves.

5 pounds leaner than they have been able to get.

and of this will vary with every person. 10 people. 10 different answers.

One exception: gh15 will say everyone os on drugs (and you can PM to buy some from him)

You want to be average, get their opionions.

[BIG ACH]

Timfogarty, you still have not posted a pic of what you think is the absolute extreme for a natural bodybuilder?

[mwbbuilder]

already a long thread about Chris.  we I don't believe it is possible to maintain that size while having that conditioning naturally.     size, it may be possible.  conditioning, maybe.  both at the same time, very unlikely.

fixed

[BIG ACH]

Why the hell would anyone listen to Tim Fogerty? He has a passion for male body--but he doesn't work out or anything.

Big Ach - that's the problem. If you want to excel at ANYTHING in life:

DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT AVERAGE, JOE BLOWs have to  say.

WHAT THE HELL DO THEY KNOW? WHY DO YOU CARE?

I'll get you the answer in short:

5 pounds more than they have been able to get themselves.

5 pounds leaner than they have been able to get.

and of this will vary with every person. 10 people. 10 different answers.

One exception: gh15 will say everyone os on drugs (and you can PM to buy some from him)

You want to be average, get their opionions.

   LOL

Maybe I shoulda said:  Post a picture of what you think is the absolute limit in natural size and conditioing, and then post a pic of yourself!!


Thats the thing, many people believe that just because they have not been able to reach that level naturally then they go and say its all drugs!

[BIG ACH]

Timfogarty,  May I ask, you have the "EXPERTS" stars, what exactly are you an expert on?

I'm not bashing, just really curious!

[mwbbuilder]

Timfogarty,  May I ask, you have the "EXPERTS" stars, what exactly are you an expert on?

I'm not bashing, just really curious!

He's been lusting at male bodies for a long time.

[timfogarty]

Timfogarty, you still have not posted a pic of what you think is the absolute extreme for a natural bodybuilder?

Someone already posted the Sandow photo

Why the hell would anyone listen to Tim Fogerty? He has a passion for male body--but he doesn't work out or anything.

enough people here have met me.  considering my age, I think I look like a bodybuilder.   I regularly squat 365 for reps.   I'm around 7% body fat.  

Timfogarty,  May I ask, you have the "EXPERTS" stars, what exactly are you an expert on?

Ron gave me them because of my website, http://musclememory.com

if you're really interested, see http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=MuscleMemory_Press

[mwbbuilder]

Someone already posted the Sandow photo

enough people here have met me.  considering my age, I think I look like a bodybuilder.   I regularly squat 365 for reps.   I'm around 7% body fat.  


Ron gave me them because of my website, http://musclememory.com

if you're really interested, see http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=MuscleMemory_Press

What age is that?

and, are YOU natural?

[BIG ACH]

You actually believe that Sandow is the ultimate extreme in natural bodybuilding??  Come on, you're joking!

[BIG ACH]

Timfogarty, I'm bigger and leaner than Sandow, Do you think I'm Juicing?

Me:


Sandow:

[spinnis]

Timfogarty, I'm bigger and leaner than Sandow, Do you think I'm Juicing?

Me:


Sandow:

you are not bigger lol

[Thin Lizzy]

Let's just put this thread to rest.

[mazrim]

Timfogarty, I'm bigger and leaner than Sandow, Do you think I'm Juicing?

Me:


Sandow:

You already said in another thread that you took pro-hormones or pro-steroids.