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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2008, 01:40:04 PM »
The belief in god and the practice of religion are for those to weak to live in this world without the possibility of an afterlife. It gives people a since of false hope. Religion and gods were developed to explain what we could not. Science has explained much of it away but the “faithful” remain steadfast.

Ignorance is bliss I guess!!

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #76 on: August 25, 2008, 01:46:44 PM »
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2008, 01:48:58 PM »
Quote from: Deicide on August 25, 2008, 01:46:44 PM
Wow...amazing. ;D

My finger was alread on the B for 'but', but I thought, let the Godkiller have a cookie.  ;D
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #78 on: August 25, 2008, 01:59:18 PM »
I believe that creationism and evolution work together.

They are not mutually exclusive.

To believe totally in either to me is strange
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #79 on: August 25, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »
Quote from: Camel  Jockey on August 25, 2008, 01:22:21 PM
You are wrong. People who murder in the name of "god" and "jesus" are far more dangerous than an atheist trying to talk sense. Most atheists aren't even public like christians, muslims or whatever, so I don't know how you go comparing atheists to idiots who knock on your door and ask for contributions.  ::)



they are fanatics. they don't represent the religion properly or even humanity properly.

I remember reading a paper on atheism and what type of society it creates. It isn't great. Shit, I can't remember. It wasn't from a religious source either.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #80 on: August 25, 2008, 02:51:26 PM »
Quote from: MB_722 on August 25, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
they are fanatics. they don't represent the religion properly or even humanity properly.

I remember reading a paper on atheism and what type of society it creates. It isn't great. Shit, I can't remember. It wasn't from a religious source either.
Ayn Rand's Objectivism?  :D
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2008, 02:52:57 PM »
Quote from: MB_722 on August 25, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
they are fanatics. they don't represent the religion properly or even humanity properly.

I remember reading a paper on atheism and what type of society it creates. It isn't great. Shit, I can't remember. It wasn't from a religious source either.

All atheists regimes so far have been socialist. The honest truth is that most atheists are freedom loving people really have libertarian views on lots of things. Most are not agressive as TA, and could honestly care less about what others follow.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #82 on: August 25, 2008, 02:54:43 PM »
Quote from: Camel  Jockey on August 25, 2008, 02:52:57 PM
All atheists regimes so far have been socialist. The honest truth is that most atheists are freedom loving people really have libertarian views on lots of things. Most are not agressive as TA, and could honestly care less about what others follow.
There NEVER has been true Socialism.  The closest, and they are miles upon miles off, are the atheist nations right now of Sweden,Norway, Denmark and Luxembourg.  Right now, they lead the world in just about every important area.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2008, 02:56:35 PM »
True Socialism would be the best possible outcome for humanity.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #84 on: August 25, 2008, 03:02:05 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
True Socialism would be the best possible outcome for humanity.

I agree.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2008, 03:05:14 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
True Socialism would be the best possible outcome for humanity.
During our ego exist. Its impossible.
For that, we have to go back to prehistorical mode.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2008, 03:14:20 PM »
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #87 on: August 25, 2008, 03:17:04 PM »
adonis do you realize the makeup of our universe is finely balanced for us to exist? thus there is a divine creator?
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2008, 03:19:16 PM »
Quote from: Tapeworm on August 25, 2008, 09:03:26 AM
"God does not play dice." - Einstein on quantum theory.

You'll have more luck with a "the vast majority of..." approach.

Einstein was confronted with this and wrote that he does not believe in a personal "god". He was talking about the laws of nature.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #89 on: August 25, 2008, 03:27:37 PM »
Its interesting that many of you guys dont know where that word of Einstein  coming from. ;D ;D
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2008, 03:37:12 PM »
Quote from: Johnny Falcon on August 25, 2008, 03:17:04 PM
adonis do you realize the makeup of our universe is finely balanced for us to exist? thus there is a divine creator?

Shut the fuck up you paint sniffing waste of human matter... ::)
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2008, 03:39:27 PM »
Quote from: Deicide on August 25, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
Shut the fuck up you paint sniffing waste of human matter... ::)

LOL  :D
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2008, 03:40:55 PM »
Quote from: Deicide on August 25, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
Shut the fuck up you paint sniffing waste of human matter... ::)
Ouch! That is gonna leave a mark!  :o
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2008, 03:43:26 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 10:15:07 AM
Add Jimmy Carter to that list!
I consider him pretty intelligent!

This statement proves you're an idiot. Unless you're joking of course.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2008, 03:45:28 PM »
I'm actually surprised nobody has posted this yet.  A film I think all of you and the entire world for that matter should really watch.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Part 1 is pretty intriguing as he breaks down the Zodiac.  
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2008, 03:47:41 PM »
Quote from: XFACTOR on August 25, 2008, 03:45:28 PM
I'm actually surprised nobody has posted this yet.  A film I think all of you and the entire world for that matter should really watch.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Part 1 is pretty intriguing as he breaks down the Zodiac.  

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2008, 04:13:21 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
In college he was also an atheist. :)

He held nothing but an administration position for the Genome Project. FACT.

P.S. I have that issue of Discover Magazine. :)

HEHEHEH!! If he was an atheist in college, so what? Don't tell me that you are implying here that he came about his discovery merely because he was an atheist. If so, that is pretty naive. But, I digress. If he didn't believe in God at one time and now he is a believer, then that only means one thing.  He saw he light. He was INTELLIGENT enough to see the error of his ways. It completely destroys your litter theory.

Merely administrative? He LED the project. Who gets the credit for a company's success? The CEO or the person on the conveyor belt?  You act as if he was some sort of overglorified administrative assistant. There was no one higher than him on that project. Are you implying that anyone could have led that $3.7 billion project? Have you discovered any genes? How many genome projects are you feverishly working on?

If you have that issue of Discover magazine, try to read the articles. Go beyond the glossy little pictures.

Again. Don't deflect the question. Are you more intelligent than Mr. Collins? If so, make your case.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2008, 06:16:09 PM »
Quote from: CoolDuck on August 25, 2008, 03:19:16 PM
Einstein was confronted with this and wrote that he does not believe in a personal "god". He was talking about the laws of nature.

CD

I gave my interpretation of his beliefs a few pages back, right or wrong.  I agree Einy didn't believe in a Giant Jew in the sky.



Quote from: kyomu on August 25, 2008, 03:27:37 PM
Its interesting that many of you guys dont know where that word of Einstein  coming from. ;D ;D

I thought it was his response to the predicted uncertainty of an electron's position and the probabilities of quantum theory in general.  Not so?  I don't know much about it so I welcome a correction if I'm wrong.



If we're going to look for a relationship between religious belief and intelligence (ugh, again with the intelligence thread), it strikes me that those who struggle with the question of God, his existence and his nature, are generally more intelligent than those who hold a fervent belief one way or another and reject any intellectual exploration of the topic.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #98 on: August 25, 2008, 06:19:42 PM »
Quote from: GigantorX on August 25, 2008, 03:43:26 PM
This statement proves you're an idiot. Unless you're joking of course.
No really. I like Jimmy Carter a whole lot actually.
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #99 on: August 25, 2008, 06:27:41 PM »
Quote from: SAMSON123 on August 25, 2008, 09:01:35 AM
STUPID PEOPLE AER INCAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING INTELLIGENCE...

or typing correctly obviously
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