The TRUTH about America.

[MCWAY]

Again,

The overwheliming majority of Americans are morons.

Again,

You’re spouting premature sour grapes, what liberals cry, every time they get taken to the woodshed in an election. And, Obama hasn’t even lost; he may not lose.

But, he’s in for the fight of his life, regardless of the outcome.

"Dumb" people underestimate their opponents, then cry like babies when they taste defeat.

Nicky Smith and YOU (unless, you plan to do a write-in candidate or don’t live in the USA) will be voting for someone “dumb” i.e. Obama who professed to be a religious man and a man of faith. Go figure.

[The True Adonis]

Again,

You’re spouting premature sour grapes, what liberals cry, every time they get taken to the woodshed in an election. And, Obama hasn’t even lost; he may not lose.

But, he’s in for the fight of his life, regardless of the outcome.

"Dumb" people underestimate their opponents, then cry like babies when they taste defeat.

Nicky Smith and YOU (unless, you plan to do a write-in candidate or don’t live in the USA) will be voting for someone “dumb” i.e. Obama who professed to be a religious man and a man of faith. Go figure.

It is a FACT.  I will spout it off 10 years from now as I do not see the Zeitgeist of intelligence shifting even in that time.

[MCWAY]

It is a FACT.  I will spout it off 10 years from now as I do not see the Zeitgeist of intelligence shifting even in that time.

It is an OPINION, fueled primarily by your disdain for America’s premium on religious beliefs, particularly within the GOP.

It’s also a tired excuse that the Dems/liberals have used extensively, when they lost in 2004, one of several they’ve used after tasting defeat:

2000 – “We wuz robbed!!!”
2004 – “It’s them mean ol’ dumb Christians’ fault; we got “swiftboated”.
2008 – (If Obama doesn’t get the job done) <<<Insert excuse here>>>

Nicky Smith and YOU (unless, you plan to do a write-in or don’t live in the USA) will be voting for someone “dumb” i.e. Obama who professed to be a religious man and a man of faith. Go figure.

[The Luke]

I don't particularly want to hijack this thread in religious direction, but as a European citizen who's worked alongside, and befriended people of all nationalities (Somalis, Kenyans, Nairobi's, Russians, British, Poles, Chinese and everything in between) and who has also lived in the US... I can tell you, the general consensus is that Americans are a moronic, uneducated dysgenic subspecies who's willful ignorance and desperate willingness to unquestioningly adopt any ideology makes Americas eventual collapse a certainty.


Not to offend anyone here, but Evangelical and Literalist Christians ARE morons!


Living your life along Christian ideals is one thing (Jesus/Mithras/Osiris/Dyonisus/Hercules, for all his faults was a pretty nice guy), but to presuppose the Bible as literally true is evidence of a chronic IQ deficit...

Bible scholars have shown conclusively that:

-most of the Old Testament is plagiarized from earlier sources (Babylonian creation myths etc)

-Hebrew culture is an off-shoot of Egyptian culture, these references were later redacted from scripture by the prophet Ezekial

-several books (now recovered) have been excised from the Bible for political reasons: the books of Enoch and Jasher for example

-the Jesus story is so blatantly plagiarized from the Middle Eastern mystery religions that the historicity of an actual person named Jesus is now beyond all credulity


...and this is the problem, voting Christian Fundamentalists know nothing of their own religion.

None of the points I have made are contentious among academics (only Christian apologists defend the fairytale), yet a politician contending an election would lose if he mentioned any such fact.


Shouldn't the Christian Republican true-believers consider the fact that almost every American with a 90 IQ is deeply religious while those with 160 IQs are not just predominantly, but exclusively atheist?


Is an Evangelical Christian properly qualified to vote in a real world election when they are so deeply out of touch with reality?


The Luke 

[The Ugly]

I don't particularly want to hijack this thread in religious direction, but as a European citizen who's worked alongside, and befriended people of all nationalities (Somalis, Kenyans, Nairobi's, Russians, British, Poles, Chinese and everything in between) and who has also lived in the US... I can tell you, the general consensus is that Americans are a moronic, uneducated dysgenic subspecies who's willful ignorance and desperate willingness to unquestioningly adopt any ideology makes Americas eventual collapse a certainty.


Not to offend anyone here, but Evangelical and Literalist Christians ARE morons!


Living your life along Christian ideals is one thing (Jesus/Mithras/Osiris/Dyonisus/Hercules, for all his faults was a pretty nice guy), but to presuppose the Bible as literally true is evidence of a chronic IQ deficit...

Bible scholars have shown conclusively that:

-most of the Old Testament is plagiarized from earlier sources (Babylonian creation myths etc)

-Hebrew culture is an off-shoot of Egyptian culture, these references were later redacted from scripture by the prophet Ezekial

-several books (now recovered) have been excised from the Bible for political reasons: the books of Enoch and Jasher for example

-the Jesus story is so blatantly plagiarized from the Middle Eastern mystery religions that the historicity of an actual person named Jesus is now beyond all credulity


...and this is the problem, voting Christian Fundamentalists know nothing of their own religion.

None of the points I have made are contentious among academics (only Christian apologists defend the fairytale), yet a politician contending an election would lose if he mentioned any such fact.


Shouldn't the Christian Republican true-believers consider the fact that almost every American with a 90 IQ is deeply religious while those with 160 IQs are not just predominantly, but exclusively atheist?


Is an Evangelical Christian properly qualified to vote in a real world election when they are so deeply out of touch with reality?


The Luke 

Excellent points. It's mind-boggling how any self-respecting rational thinker could fall for such outlandish gobblygook. Embarrassing, really, as an American.

Please tell Bigfoot we're not all like that here.

[Mars]

great post the luke, large parts of usa should be wiped of the map.

[Moosejay]

great post the luke, large parts of usa should be wiped of the map.

Luke should come here.

I'd be glad to have him to lunch, and I'd show him around, too.

[The True Adonis]

It is an OPINION, fueled primarily by your disdain for America’s premium on religious beliefs, particularly within the GOP.

It’s also a tired excuse that the Dems/liberals have used extensively, when they lost in 2004, one of several they’ve used after tasting defeat:

2000 – “We wuz robbed!!!”
2004 – “It’s them mean ol’ dumb Christians’ fault; we got “swiftboated”.
2008 – (If Obama doesn’t get the job done) <<<Insert excuse here>>>

Nicky Smith and YOU (unless, you plan to do a write-in or don’t live in the USA) will be voting for someone “dumb” i.e. Obama who professed to be a religious man and a man of faith. Go figure.

Nothing to do with the GOP.  Americans on any side of the political spectrum are morons.  They are not an intelligent people.

[The Luke]

Luke should come here.

I'd be glad to have him to lunch, and I'd show him around, too.

...Moose, I've been to the States: Chicago, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Seattle, Washington state (and British Columbia in America Junior).

The ignorance I encountered there was absolutely terrifying (and nicely juxtaposed by the rationality and intelligence of most Canadians I befriended).

I'd have to decline your kind offer though... I'm a highly educated and well read high IQ type (test between 120 and 140), and your particular brand of dogmatic militant, willful stupidity is a little too offensive to my sensibilities for me to be able to tolerate your company, sorry.


The Luke

[Moosejay]

...Moose, I've been to the States: Chicago, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Seattle, Washington state (and British Columbia in America Junior).

The ignorance I encountered there was absolutely terrifying (and nicely juxtaposed by the rationality and intelligence of most Canadians I befriended).

I'd have to decline your kind offer though... I'm a highly educated and well read high IQ type (test between 120 and 140), and your particular brand of dogmatic militant, willful stupidity is a little too offensive to my sensibilities for me to be able to tolerate your company, sorry.


The Luke

Your statement in bold is quite disingenous.

I hope your heightened IQ allows you to know why.

By the way:

All this IQ BS on here...well, I don't know mine, and I am very accomplished....i.e.

Meaning:

I am out, DOING thbings, helping my fellow man, as a chiropractor, like it or not, and in a myriad of other ways

Not bloviating about utterly meaningless numbers.

Whenever you guys talk about your IQ's, I challenege you:

Please add your ACHIEVEMENTS along with the IQ

How have you helped the world?

[The Luke]

Honours degree: Experimental Physics from Trinity College Dublin



The Luke

[Siphon77]

Honours degree: Experimental Physics from Trinity College Dublin



The Luke

And yet you spend most of your time on a bodybuilding board having a titty attack over subjects that have nothing to do with bodybuilding at all.  You go out of your spellchecking and proof reading your posts to sound as intellectual as possible but in truth you sound like a angry little gnat feeling some how honorable because you voice your opinions on the evil super power.  But at the end of the day that is what we are you know.  Not a power to be dealt with.  But a super power.  And you will die and America will still be one of the super powers on this great planet and your legacy will be a few thousand posts on a board funded by a company with America in the name.  That's irony right there slapnuts.

[MCWAY]

I don't particularly want to hijack this thread in religious direction, but as a European citizen who's worked alongside, and befriended people of all nationalities (Somalis, Kenyans, Nairobi's, Russians, British, Poles, Chinese and everything in between) and who has also lived in the US... I can tell you, the general consensus is that Americans are a moronic, uneducated dysgenic subspecies who's willful ignorance and desperate willingness to unquestioningly adopt any ideology makes Americas eventual collapse a certainty.

Folks have been predicting America's demise for decades. But, we're still here!!

The general consensus among many Americans is that WE DON'T CARE what Europe, or any other country, thinks about us. People are breaking their necks and risking life and limb to come here. If you non-religious liberal types don't like it here, there ain't no anchor tied to your butt. Get to steppin'!!!

Of course, despite numerous threats to do so, each time their party comes up short in the elections, they rarely, if ever, do so.

Not to offend anyone here, but Evangelical and Literalist Christians ARE morons!

That's funny!! A certain Israeli king shared a similar sentiment about atheists, "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God'"

Living your life along Christian ideals is one thing (Jesus/Mithras/Osiris/Dyonisus/Hercules, for all his faults was a pretty nice guy), but to presuppose the Bible as literally true is evidence of a chronic IQ deficit...

Bible scholars have shown conclusively that:

-most of the Old Testament is plagiarized from earlier sources (Babylonian creation myths etc)

-Hebrew culture is an off-shoot of Egyptian culture, these references were later redacted from scripture by the prophet Ezekial

-several books (now recovered) have been excised from the Bible for political reasons: the books of Enoch and Jasher for example

-the Jesus story is so blatantly plagiarized from the Middle Eastern mystery religions that the historicity of an actual person named Jesus is now beyond all credulity


...and this is the problem, voting Christian Fundamentalists know nothing of their own religion.

No, the problem is this garbage is nothing more than skeptic fluff that many traditional Biblical scholars dismantled decades ago (some as early as the late 19th/early 20th century). And, as I did, the last time you posted this foolishness. Just to reiterate, you have yet to show how Attis chopping off his nuts (out of feverish lust for HIS OWN MAMA) saved mankind from his sins or anywhere near a parallel with Jesus Christ.

Or how Osiris, getting his schlong hacked off and sent to the underworld (WHERE HE NEVER LEAVES), where his wife, (now a bird), has sex with him, using a substitute penis comes remotely close to the account of Jesus Christ.

And, the list of inaccuracies continues.......

None of the points I have made are contentious among academics (only Christian apologists defend the fairytale), yet a politician contending an election would lose if he mentioned any such fact.


Shouldn't the Christian Republican true-believers consider the fact that almost every American with a 90 IQ is deeply religious while those with 160 IQs are not just predominantly, but exclusively atheist?

Then again, they can also consider that, based on a sample poll from the 2004 election by CNN, those with LESS THAN A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION and those who attended church less than once per month, voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Kerry. But, I doubt you want to lump the high-school dropouts with your lot.

Is an Evangelical Christian properly qualified to vote in a real world election when they are so deeply out of touch with reality?


The Luke 

To top it all off, the man for whom many of you atheists are voting PROFESSES TO BE a man of faith and a believer in Jesus Christ.

You folks have an epiletic fit and obsess over someone you DON'T believe exists. And, you call Christians "morons".   That's rich!!!

But, this is about politics. If you wish to rehash this silliness about Jesus Christ being copied from Osiris/Attis/Dionysus, take it to Relgious Forum, where it will be taken apart.....AGAIN!!!

[Moosejay]

Honours degree: Experimental Physics from Trinity College Dublin



The Luke

Yes.

But,

what do you DO?

How do YOU improve the lot of mankind?

[Top Dog]

Folks have been predicting America's demise for decades. But, we're still here!!

The general consensus among many Americans is that WE DON'T CARE what Europe, or any other country, thinks about us. People are breaking their necks and risking life and limb to come here. If you non-religious liberal types don't like it here, there ain't no anchor tied to your butt. Get to steppin'!!!

Of course, despite numerous threats to do so, each time their party comes up short in the elections, they rarely, if ever, do so.

That's funny!! A certain Israeli king shared a similar sentiment about atheists, "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God'"

No, the problem is this garbage is nothing more than skeptic fluff that many traditional Biblical scholars dismantled decades ago (some as early as the late 19th/early 20th century). And, as I did, the last time you posted this foolishness. Just to reiterate, you have yet to show how Attis chopping off his nuts saved mankind from his sins or anywhere near a parallel with Jesus Christ.

Or how Osiris, getting his schlong hacked off and sent to the underworld (WHERE HE NEVER LEAVES), where his wife, (now a bird), has sex with him, using a substitute penis comes remotely close to the account of Jesus Christ.

And, the list of inaccuracies continues.......


Then again, they can also consider that, based on a sample poll from the 2004 election by CNN, those with LESS THAN A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION and those who attended church less than once per month, voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Kerry. But, I doubt you want to lump the high-school dropouts with your lot.

To top it all off, the man for whom many of you atheists are voting PROFESSES TO BE a man of faith and a believer in Jesus Christ.

You folks have an epiletic fit and obsess over someone you DON'T believe exists. And, you call Christians "morons".   That's rich!!!

But, this is about politics. If you wish to rehash this silliness about Jesus Christ being copied from Osiris/Attis/Dionysus, take it to Relgious Forum, where it will be taken apart.....AGAIN!!!

Great, great post.

[ManBearPig...]

...Moose, I've been to the States: Chicago, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Seattle, Washington state (and British Columbia in America Junior).

The ignorance I encountered there was absolutely terrifying (and nicely juxtaposed by the rationality and intelligence of most Canadians I befriended).

I'd have to decline your kind offer though... I'm a highly educated and well read high IQ type (test between 120 and 140), and your particular brand of dogmatic militant, willful stupidity is a little too offensive to my sensibilities for me to be able to tolerate your company, sorry.


The Luke

just to make sure...you're the short leprechaun who's in his mid 30's, lives with his parents, has no job and hunts for big foot when he can scrounge up money for an airplane flight, right?

[Moosejay]

just to make sure...you're the short leprechaun who's in his mid 30's, lives with his parents, has no job and hunts for big foot when he can scrounge up money for an airplane flight, right?

Well, THAT answers my question 2 posts above.

He does nothing but bloviate.

[ManBearPig...]

Well, THAT answers my question 2 posts above.

He does nothing but bloviate.

he's a fucking idiot, i wouldn't worry about him.  he'd cut off his left stump to say he has a right to vote in america.  little lonely irish virginal dweeb who reads liberal blogs all day instead of looking for a job.

[The Luke]

MCWAY,


How can I argue against your assertion that the Jesus myth is not astrological in nature when you begin from a position of infallible certainty and work backwards by filtering out any evidence to the contrary?

No one can prove a negative... why do you assert that I must do so to convince you when you won't apply the same standard of evidence to yourself?


This is part of the problem with America... militant ignorance.

I assert that the general consensus among bible scholars supports an astrological root for the Jesus myth... that can't be genuinely refuted as the parallels between the Jesus myth and the antecedent Mystery Religion are so obvious and compelling no proper academic disputes the link: simply put, the Jesus Myth is just another version of the astrologically based Mystery Religion.

But somehow you feel that deliberately misconstruing my argument by contrasting the FOLKLORE version of the Attis/Mithras/Dionysus story with the Jesus story constitutes cogent argument... again, it is the ASTROLOGICAL MYSTERY version of the Attis/Mithras/Dionysus story that the Jesus myth is plagiarized from, not the FOLKLORE version.


This is exactly what I was talking about... deliberate, willful ignorance... these fools believe that their delusions constitute reality. They believe their delusions can be made reality by insisting upon them.  Facts? Well anyone quoting facts can simply be shouted down, can't they?

"Evolution... well that's just a theory"

BOLLOCKS! Evolution is mathematical fact. But if you said so in the company of fundie such as MCWAY you likely be shot.



The Luke

[QuakerOats]

i don't agree with the Luke on much but i agree with him 100 percent on this issue.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's funny!! A certain Israeli king shared a similar sentiment about atheists, "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God'"

Matthew 5:22
    Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

does this mean he's going to hell?

[Mars]

the religious institutions are on the bottom of the dirt.

[Moosejay]

he's a fucking idiot, i wouldn't worry about him.  he'd cut off his left stump to say he has a right to vote in america.  little lonely irish virginal dweeb who reads liberal blogs all day instead of looking for a job.

Well, the dude does not work...he adds nothing to the public trust

why, then

would he ever have so much to say?

[The Luke]

In Wisconsin I was introduced to a Young-Earth-Creationist Evangelical Christian fundamentalist with an eager streak for converting heathens...

Equally eager to avoid a religious conversation (conversion!) I explained to this fundie nutter that I came form a very isolated Gaelic-speaking part of Ireland ruled by a High Council of Druids and that I knew nothing of Christianity... nor electricity, nor running water, nor roads, nor the modern world... and so couldn't partake of a discussion of the "Good News".

This uber-religious 'tard didn't get the joke... didn't notice my perfect English... nor my giggling relatives...


So he runs off to get a bible and returns (rather rudely) reading it aloud... started at Genesis: "In the beginning..."

I let him continue till he mentioned the tree in the Garden of Eden...

"Yssidril!" I shouted "Yssidril, the Tree of Life... I know this story, it's that Viking creation myth... is there a snake or serpent in the tree named Midgard by any chance?"

I spent the next ten minutes explaining the basics of (pre-Christian) Viking astrological symbolism and how the various symbolic archetypes in the story represent astrological/geodesic concepts (the tree is the Earth's axis; the serpent represents the equator and the tropics, the garden is the Valley of Edin in turkey etc etc).

This dumbfounded nutter didn't know what to think... so he asked me how I knew all this stuff.

I explained that all of this stuff goes back to an Ice-Age semi-global astrological mythos common to most ancient cultures... he cried.


That sad dude is a retired high-school headmaster. Only in America.



The Luke 

[Zaphod]

great post the luke, large parts of usa should be wiped of the map.