Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news

[w8tlftr]

How could your daughter be 9? Two years ago when you told me her age, ...she was only 7. 

LOL... yeah... two years ago she was 7.

I can't disagree with you there, ...but the fact of the matter is, we all want the government involved in some aspect of our lives. We want the government to provide the framework from which our economy can thrive, to provide the security with which we may live peaceful lives. By that token, while you or I may assume our parental responsibilities as far as our offspring may be concerned, ...there are neglectful parents out there. And where neglectful parents abound, who can't, don't, won't teach their kids right from wrong, ...I want there to be someone teaching them right from wrong.

I want the government to be minimal. Provide for our social infrastructure, country's defense (not durkadurkastan, Georgia, etc.), and provide an equal playing field for commerce. I don't want the government telling me I can't eat what I want, smoke a joint if I have MS (but please drink that beer!), or telling my kids to wait until marriage before sex or how to put a condom on.

As far as bad parents go.... just because some asshat drops the ball and doesn't teach their children right from wrong isn't an open invitation for the government to get involved. WE have a responsibility as a community to aid our brothers and sisters in their time of need. Be wary of what you give the government the power to do - you may not get it back.

Finally you're seeing the light. It's like Craig. I don't think anybody cares that the man was in the closet, ...it was just the hypocrisy of it all, ...same with governor Spitzer.

Never had a problem seeing it. Plenty of asshats on both sides of the aisle. I know this and laugh at all of them.

I don't think anybody is angry that Bristol didn't have an abortion, (...except possibly Levi who is quoted as saying he doesn't want kids) at least certainly not the left, ...pro-choice supporters are all for a woman or child deciding to keep her child. That's what the idea of choice is all about. What are up in arms about is the controversy surrounding this woman, and the lack of foresight seemingly displayed by McCain in his choice of running mate. He looks like a desperate man grasping at straws, making a politically strategic move in what he perceives to be his short term best interests, and putting the best interests of the country second.

What bothers me about this is that the left is trying to make a big deal of it. OMG, another teen from a God-Bot family got preggers. Stop the presses!

I don't care, Judi. Let's have an intelligent discussion about the issues (even if both candidates suck balls politically. you know I think Obama's a cool cat).

Let me ask you a few questions w8lftr, ...you can answer on the boards, in PM, or even choose not to answer.
I know as a former Navy man yourself, you might find this question a little too sensitive for public input, ...but, ...in your heart of hearts, ...do you truly believe that McCain was thinking of America first when he made his VP selection, ...or himself?  ...and do you think he vetted this woman properly?

I think the choice was TOTALLY political and I think it was a shrewd move on his part. Only time will tell if his gamble pays off.

I also think that men like McCain think of country first. I think the same of Obama.

I don't agree with how they want to fix things.

[Dos Equis]

please jebus ....please give me patience......

condoms are a prophylactic (i.e they prevent harm which is also the same thing as preserving/defending health) which is why condoms are HEALTH CARE

extra bonus - they also greatly reduce the possibility of unplanned pregnancy

   

O.K.  You believe condoms are health care and teenagers have a right to condoms.  Good for you. 

[tu_holmes]

O.K.  You believe condoms are health care and teenagers have a right to condoms.  Good for you. 

I believe it's better to give them access to condoms than to find one knocked up or infested with the HIV.

[w8tlftr]

And they make darned fine water balloons too. 

Senator Craig packs his lunch in them too.

[Straw Man]

O.K.  You believe condoms are health care and teenagers have a right to condoms.  Good for you. 

just so we're clear

are you saying that condoms are not health care?

no joke (notice - no underline or bold or big letters)

[w8tlftr]

I believe it's better to give them access to condoms than to find one knocked up or infested with the HIV.

Fine. Then YOU give your son or daughter condoms. If you have children I hope you have the kind of relationship where respect is a two-way street and they can openly talk to you about such matters.

And the last time I checked we all have access to them. You can go to any pharmacy or local grocery store and buy them. That's where I get mine. 

[Dos Equis]

I believe it's better to give them access to condoms than to find one knocked up or infested with the HIV.

Except they don't use them consistently.  

I've posted comments about HIV a while back, but Tony Brown wrote some very interesting things about HIV.  I don't think it's a major threat to heterosexuals in the U.S.  

[Straw Man]

Fine. Then YOU give your son or daughter condoms. If you have children I hope you have the kind of relationship where respect is a two-way street and they can openly talk to you about such matters.

And the last time I checked we all have access to them. You can go to any pharmacy or local grocery store and buy them. That's where I get mine. 

so if no talk (or providing) condoms then also no talk about abstinence

they are literally two sides of the same coin

if you can't abstain ..... at least have protection (from disease and un-wanted pregnancy)

[w8tlftr]

Fine. Then YOU give your son or daughter condoms. If you have children I hope you have the kind of relationship where respect is a two-way street and they can openly talk to you about such matters.

And the last time I checked we all have access to them. You can go to any pharmacy or local grocery store and buy them. That's where I get mine. 

so if no talk (or providing) condoms then also no talk about abstinence

they are literally two sides of the same coin

if you can't abstain ..... at least have protection (from disease and un-wanted pregnancy)

You lost me, Homer. What's your statement here?

I believe in condom use - they help in the prevention of unplanned pregnancy and transmission of STDs.

I've made statements here that I don't support the teaching of sex education or abstinence in school. That is the responsibility of the parent. You sorta take on that role when you bring a child into this fraked up world.

So... what are you saying to me?

[24KT]

LOL... yeah... two years ago she was 7.

I want the government to be minimal. Provide for our social infrastructure, country's defense (not durkadurkastan, Georgia, etc.), and provide an equal playing field for commerce. I don't want the government telling me I can't eat what I want, smoke a joint if I have MS (but please drink that beer!), or telling my kids to wait until marriage before sex or how to put a condom on.

You know a vote for McCain will bring you precisely that, ...and they'll prolly tell you to drink budweiser too  

As far as bad parents go.... just because some asshat drops the ball and doesn't teach their children right from wrong isn't an open invitation for the government to get involved.

This is where you and I disagree again. I would make darned sure I taught my kids about fire prevention etc., etc.,
but if the 'asshat' as you call it living next door does not, my house goes up in smoke along with his. We can only teach our children our values, ...we don't always have the ability to teach other people's kids, and I want someone teaching little Johnny next door that it's not good to play with matches.

WE have a responsibility as a community to aid our brothers and sisters in their time of need.

Better be careful, ...you're sounding more and more like a liberal socialist commie everyday,  
...at least that I'm sure will be the accusations hurled in your direction. {lol}  

Be wary of what you give the government the power to do - you may not get it back.

Umm, ...you taking about the Patriot Act, ...the Military Commissions Act, ...the Bill of Rights or the Constitution?

What bothers me about this is that the left is trying to make a big deal of it. OMG, another teen from a God-Bot family got preggers. Stop the presses!

I guess when the hypocrisy's and failures of the right are an everyday occurrence, it's old hat and to be expected.
No big surprise there I suppose. I can see where someone would get jaded and feel hypocrisy fatigue regularly.  

I don't care, Judi. Let's have an intelligent discussion about the issues (even if both candidates suck balls politically. you know I think Obama's a cool cat).

I think the choice was TOTALLY political and I think it was a shrewd move on his part. Only time will tell if his gamble pays off.

I don't think his move was shrewd at all. I think it was a reckless gamble that put his interests before the country's.

I also think that men like McCain think of country first. I think the same of Obama.

I don't agree with how they want to fix things.

This is another area where we part company.

I know Obama wants to fix things, and he inspires more & more people to feel the same way everyday

I honestly sometimes wonder if McCain does want to fix things, or if he just wants to get elected.  

[24KT]

Senator Craig packs his lunch in them too.

OMG!!! I can't believe you said that.

I gotta go. I'm laughing so hard I have to pee.

[Straw Man]

You lost me, Homer. What's your statement here?

I believe in condom use - they help in the prevention of unplanned pregnancy and transmission of STDs.

I've made statements here that I don't support the teaching of sex education or abstinence in school. That is the responsibility of the parent. You sorta take on that role when you bring a child into this fraked up world.

So... what are you saying to me?

I was talking to Beach Bunny

you obviously understand what I"m talking about

I am baffled why Beach Bum thinks that condoms don't protect health

[w8tlftr]

You know a vote for McCain will bring you precisely that, ...and they'll prolly tell you to drink budweiser too 

I'm not voting for McCain OR Obama.

This is where you and I disagree again. I would make darned sure I taught my kids about fire prevention etc., etc.,
but if the 'asshat' as you call it living next door does not, my house goes up in smoke along with his. We can only teach our children our values, ...we don't always have the ability to teach other people's kids, and I want someone teaching little Johnny next door that it's not good to play with matches.

Apples and oranges, Judi. Apples and oranges. Sex is a personal issue. Public safety is just common sense.

Better be careful, ...you're sounding more and more like a liberal socialist commie everyday, 
...at least that I'm sure will be the accusations hurled in your direction. {lol} 
 Be wary of what you give the government the power to do - you may not get it back.

The last thing anyone will ever accuse me of is being a commie since I frown on big government. A liberal I can live with since that's a complement. A liberal believes in individual freedom and liberty. Something today's left-wing socialists or right wing extreme God-Bots do not believe in.

I guess when the hypocrisy's and failures of the right are an everyday occurrence, it's old hat and to be expected.
No big surprise there I suppose. I can see where someone would get jaded and feel hypocrisy fatigue regularly. 

I don't think his move was shrewd at all. I think it was a reckless gamble that put his interests before the country's.

This is another area where we part company. I know Obama wants to fix things, inspires more of the same in the people

I honestly sometimes wonder if McCain does want to fix things, or if he just wants to get elected.   

We're allowed to disagree. At least for now while the government says we can.

I think they both want to fix things and they both want to get elected. I think that's a gimme.

[Dos Equis]

just so we're clear

are you saying that condoms are not health care?

no joke (notice - no underline or bold or big letters)

Let's not waste each other's time.  I think you probably post on here while you're high, which explains why you don't make any dang sense.  (I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, instead of simply concluding that you're not very bright.)  Carry on.   

[Straw Man]

Let's not waste each other's time.  I think you probably post on here while you're high, which explains why you don't make any dang sense.  (I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, instead of simply concluding that you're not very bright.)  Carry on.   

why don't you just save us both some time and ANSWER THE QUESTION

how about this....are condoms not a form of health care?

the only reason I ask is because you seem to be mocking the idea with this statement

O.K.  You believe condoms are health care and teenagers have a right to condoms.  Good for you. 

why not just clearly define your position by answering the question?

come out of the closet and own your position and stop being so coy

[youandme]

Let's not waste each other's time.  I think you probably post on here while you're high, which explains why you don't make any dang sense.  (I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, instead of simply concluding that you're not very bright.)  Carry on.   

lmao

[Eyeball Chambers]

There's no point in debating with Beach Bum.  He will either change the subject, throw in some trivial information, or just use the classic;

Permanent case of Sun Stroke from combing the beaches all day would be my guess... 

[24KT]

I'm not voting for McCain OR Obama.

How about Biden, ...will you vote for him?  

Apples and oranges, Judi. Apples and oranges. Sex is a personal issue. Public safety is just common sense.

You don't think STD's, the knowledge of them, how to spot them, & how to prevent them is a public safety issue?
Something tells me you skipped out on those lovely military training films about syphillis dintcha? c'mon fess up.  

The last thing anyone will ever accuse me of is being a commie since I frown on big government. A liberal I can live with since that's a complement. A liberal believes in individual freedom and liberty. Something today's left-wing socialists or right wing extreme God-Bots do not believe in.

Oh Puleaze! Haven't you been paying attention? Anytime you say something that the God-bots disagree with,
...you're a lib, or a muslim, commie pinko bastard, terrorist apologist or any other name they choose to throw at you regardless of how far away from the profile you are.

We're allowed to disagree. At least for now while the government says we can.

If the present admin's policies is in any way representative, we're not and disagreement will get you fired PRONTO!
If you don't believe me, ...ask all those lawyers from the justice dept. Heck, ...even troopers in Alaska know that.  

I think they both want to fix things and they both want to get elected. I think that's a gimme.

Again I disagree. I think only one wants to fix things. I think the other wants to get elected before he croaks,
...but hey, we don't always have to agree. we can still disagree and still be friends
One thing I think we do both agree on though is ... PIZZA is GOOD!  

[w8tlftr]

How about Biden, ...will you vote for him?   

No. He's an asshole.

You don't think STD's, the knowledge of them, how to spot them, & how to prevent them is a public safety issue?
Something tells me you skipped out on those lovely military training films about syphillis dintcha? c'mon fess up. 

Again, it's called educating yourself. Sex is a personal and private thing. I don't want the government involved in my personal life. It opens the door to too much shit.

When I served in the Navy we watched some... interesting films. I was property of the U.S. Government. I considered it employee training. Big difference.

Oh Puleaze! Haven't you been paying attention? Anytime you say something that the God-bots disagree with,
...you're a lib, or a muslim, commie pinko bastard, terrorist apologist or any other name they choose to throw at you regardless of how far away from the profile you are.

And when ever I say anything the ghey socialists disagree with I'm a neocon, fascist, God-Bot, Repthuglican, etc. What's your point exactly?

If the present admin's policies is in any way representative, we're not and disagreement will get you fired PRONTO!
If you don't believe me, ...ask all those lawyers from the justice dept. Heck, ...even troopers in Alaska know that. 

Again I disagree. I think only one wants to fix things. I think the other wants to get elected before he croaks,
...but hey, we don't always have to agree. we can still disagree and still be friends
One thing I think we do both agree on though is ... PIZZA is GOOD! 

Get the door... it's Dominos.