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« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2008, 12:59:54 PM »
That is an ignorant example.

I will give you a real one.


Two twins eat 1 gram per lb of body weight protein and each are on a caloric deficit ingesting 2200 total calories.

Twin one meets the Protein Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with any food he likes be it chocolate, Fast Food, candy or whatever.

Twin two meets his Protien Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with boiled chicken, oatmeal and rice.

They both eat the same calories.

The both will look EXACTLY the same.

There is your example.

Not necessarily.

some people are carb sensitive and others calorie sensitive.

You have a brain and try to think new things...just doesnt quite work

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« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2008, 01:04:18 PM »
Most of the time overeating is a conditioned response on environmental factors with ignorance combined.  The ignorant go on visual cues rather than satiety.  There was a great experiment where soups were placed in bowls.  A few bowls were never-ending in that the bowls kept refilling unbeknownst to the soup eater.  The soup-eater kept on eating and kept on and kept on without a thought to stopping, whereas the ones without the refilling bowl stopped as soon as the bowl was empty.


People also think that if something is on a plate, it is taboo to not fill it, or to leave something on it for later.

Its only ignorance that holds people back.

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« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2008, 01:05:49 PM »
Not necessarily.

some people are carb sensitive and others calorie sensitive.

You have a brain and try to think new things...just doesnt quite work
Carb Sensitivity is a total myth.

I invite you to find me any instance proving "carb sensitivity" and the guidelines thereof.  Mr. Layne Norton is very qualified to take your questions on this subject.  He will set you straight. :)

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« Reply #78 on: September 03, 2008, 01:08:32 PM »
Carb Sensitivity is a total myth.

I invite you to find me any instance proving "carb sensitivity" and the guidelines thereof.  Mr. Layne Norton is very qualified to take your questions on this subject.  He will set you straight. :)

i cant get you it right now though i can ask my buddy where he read it and can refer you to it.

Why do you say it is a myth?

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« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2008, 01:08:46 PM »


The Bottomless Soup Bowl is Awarded an Ig Nobel Prize!

cartoonQ&A: The Bottomless Soup Bowl

1. How did you come up with the idea to develop this bottomless bowl of soup?

People often say they know its time to stop eating when they the plate or bowl they are eating from is empty. They call this, “The Clean Plate Club. "We wanted to know what would happen if a person's plate or bowl never emptied.

We engineered "bottomless soup bowls," that secretly refilled themselves from under the table as people ate.

When we brought 62 people in for a free soup lunch, we found that those with refillable bowls ate 73% more soup, but did not feel any more full. They responded, "How can I be full, I still have 1/2 a bowl of soup left." (Only 2 individuals ever realized this was happening).

2. What are the conclusions of your work in nutrition field?

We eat with our eyes and not with our stomach. The cues around us have a huge influence on not only what we eat, but also how much we eat, and when we feel full.

One tip is this. If you eat straight from a package, box, or ice cream pint, you'll eat a lot more than you otherwise would if you dished it out into a bowl and there -- for at least one second -- saw exactly how much you were planning to eat. As I wrote in my book, Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006), we find this reduces how much people eat by around 32%.

3. When you started your work did you feel that it was "Ig Nobel kind"?

I love research that does 3 things: 1) Answers an important question, 2) Does so in a vivid, memorable way, and 3) Is published in a highly prestigious journal. This did all three. If an article is good enough to be in a great journal and vivid enough to receive an IgNobel, that’s incredible.

In Mindless Eating, I focus on dozens of these kinds of studies we have done to show how the environment influences us and what we can do about it. This seems to be the way I think about many kinds of questions: Vivid proof.

4. What it means for you to win this award?

I hope it underscores to young researchers that great quality research does not have to be stodgy and dry. You can think outside the box and still stay within a journal.

5. Are Ig Nobel awards a serious thing?

They are seriously fun, and they are effective in generating an interest in science among people who may not usually find it that interesting. If it generates more interest in science, and does it in a fun way, I think it does a great service.

6. What kind of experiments are you working on today?

Most of my new quirky experiments and discoveries are ones we are uncovering in restaurants, bars, school lunchrooms, and kitchens, and I describe them in, Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006). Making small changes in these places – to lighting, glasses, plates, food presentation, and so on – has a huge change on people. It enables them to mindlessly eat less than mindlessly eat more.

7. Where can a person find more information?

• The article can be found at Wansink, Brian, James E. Painter, and Jill North (2005), “Bottomless Bowls: Why Visual Cues of Portion Size May Influence Intake,” Obesity Research, 13:1 (January), 93-100.

• A colorful account of it can be found in Chapter 2 of Mindless Eating (Bantam 2006)

• Photos of the study can be found at www.MindlessEating.org.

8. What’s your background?

Brian Wansink is Professor and Director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab and author of “Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam 2006). He received his Ph.D. in Consumer Behavior from Stanford University and specializes uncovering how we can make small changes in our environment to eat less and enjoy food more.

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Guess which of these bowls are being endlessly refilled from under the table?
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Borg-like tubing

Behold! The Borg-like tubing that refills the Bottomless Soup Bowls. How much more soup would you eat if your soup bowl never emptied? (p. 52) Click to enlarge photo.

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Professor Brian Wansink observes a study through a 1 way mirror in Cornell's Food and Brand Lab.
   


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« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2008, 01:11:09 PM »



Behold! The Borg-like tubing that refills the Bottomless Soup Bowls. How much more soup would you eat if your soup bowl never emptied?




Here you guys are:
The full paper and experiment are HERE:

http://www.mindlesseating.org/ignobel.htm

I think a lot of you may enjoy this and find it amusing!

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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2008, 01:13:44 PM »
It takes 15 mins for your stomach to realise it is full hence you can keep eating.

The process of chewing send signals to the brain you are eating

That stuff you are posting...yes interesting...relevant no. Carb ensitivity does exist

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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2008, 01:15:54 PM »

I HIGHLY recommend this book!

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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2008, 01:21:29 PM »
It takes 15 mins for your stomach to realise it is full hence you can keep eating.

The process of chewing send signals to the brain you are eating

That stuff you are posting...yes interesting...relevant no. Carb ensitivity does exist
The 15 minute thing is a total myth.

"Carb Sensitivity" only exists in your head.  Its as real as your god.  ;)

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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2008, 01:21:45 PM »

I HIGHLY recommend this book!

Greed and it tastes good.

Must have been a short book

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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2008, 01:24:13 PM »
Greed and it tastes good.

Must have been a short book
Goudy,
You are REALLY displaying your ignorance here with that statement.

How Much Do You Really Control Your Eating?
Posted by Brian Wansink at 8/28/2008 12:00 AM EDT

 The theme of the book Mindless Eating is that there are many things around us that manipulate or deceive us into eating more than we otherwise would.  Popcorn buckets manipulate us, names confuse us, plates deceive us, friends unwittingly lead us astray, lighting and music fool us, colors miscue us, shapes trick us, and on and on.  But all of them do so very subtly.

      Mindless Eating helps you generate mindlessly-easy solutions to trim excess calories out of your life in a way in which you will not miss them.  Each chapter specifically illustrates what researchers know about mindless eating, and each shows how you can use the same tricks to reverse how much you eat.

      There are a lot of invisible traps out there that we unknowingly let trick us into overeating. What you can do is outlined in the next chapters, but we are first going to look at what causes us to decide how much we want to eat.  Once we understand why we eat how much we eat, we can more clearly see how to change it.

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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2008, 01:31:26 PM »
Three tips for fighting feelings of deprivation
Posted by Brian Wansink at 7/1/2008 12:00 AM EDT


One of the biggest reasons why most diets will fail before they even really begin is that they lead most people to believe that they have to deprive themselves of the foods they like and the lifestyle they enjoy.  They also require that a person forego their typical way of life and spend it focused on calories and on resisting millions of years of evolution.

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The best way to begin changing habits is to do so in a way that does not make you feel deprived.  Keep the comfort foods, but eat smaller quantities by adding some substitutes.


• Feeling deprived of the foods you like in the quantities you want is the quickest way to watch yourself throw all hope overboard and binge out.


• Comfort foods – think small – are a great way to not feel deprived.  Many comfort foods are actually  reasonably healthy.  Small doses take you a long ways.


• Keep the notion of volume in mind.  The more you eat of low “energy dense” foods (like green vegetables), the more full you’ll feel and the less deprive you’ll feel.

 

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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2008, 02:01:45 PM »
Goudy,
You are REALLY displaying your ignorance here with that statement.

How Much Do You Really Control Your Eating?
Posted by Brian Wansink at 8/28/2008 12:00 AM EDT

 The theme of the book Mindless Eating is that there are many things around us that manipulate or deceive us into eating more than we otherwise would.  Popcorn buckets manipulate us, names confuse us, plates deceive us, friends unwittingly lead us astray, lighting and music fool us, colors miscue us, shapes trick us, and on and on.  But all of them do so very subtly.

      Mindless Eating helps you generate mindlessly-easy solutions to trim excess calories out of your life in a way in which you will not miss them.  Each chapter specifically illustrates what researchers know about mindless eating, and each shows how you can use the same tricks to reverse how much you eat.

      There are a lot of invisible traps out there that we unknowingly let trick us into overeating. What you can do is outlined in the next chapters, but we are first going to look at what causes us to decide how much we want to eat.  Once we understand why we eat how much we eat, we can more clearly see how to change it.

Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?

Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.

Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.

Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No

Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun  ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.

Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.

These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise


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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2008, 02:55:51 PM »
Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?

Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.

Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.

Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No

Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun  ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.

Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.

These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise


Goudy.

Let`s get real.

Currently you ARE fat.

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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2008, 03:00:17 PM »
Why do you care if you eat too much according to some scientist? Do you not have control over your body or work in tune with it?

Yes i eat lots and regularly...it is not an issue for me as i am not getting fat.

Also that book is directed at fat people. I am sure it is him just exploiting fat people and their desperation to lose weight subtly and withoiut doing much rather than exercise. And he does so using a shroud of 'sugestion and minipulation' rather than actual science.

Do you think a thin healthy person as myself is gonna read it or be attracted to it in the bookshop. No

Is the 280lb woman who has 'tried every diet under teh sun  ::)' except not exercised. More than likely.

Basically this guy is using something which is true, no doubt in my mind about suggestion and teh power of it and teh marketing behind our food etc. Though ultimately he is out to make a buck so choosing desperate people with little self esteem...fat fuckers.

These are the same people who but '6 minute abs' read articles on 'lose a dress size in a week' and will do anything they can but get off their fat jhole and exercise


Read the book.

You will find that it is in NO WAY directed at fat people just as Michael Pollan`s The Omnivore`s Dilemma and In The Defense of Food are not.

You will love it I am positive.  It is more of a study about human psychology than anything.

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« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2008, 03:01:00 PM »
Never been about 15% in my life

It is a gimmick to get money.

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« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2008, 03:05:21 PM »
Never been about 15% in my life

It is a gimmick to get money.
Wrong.  Do you even know who Brian Wansink is?

Brian Wansink



Brian Wansink, Ph.D.
Born June 28, 1960
Sioux City, Iowa
Fields Consumer behavior, nutritional science, marketing
Institutions USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, Food and Brand Lab, Cornell University
Known for Food behavior and psychology
Notable awards ABC World News Person of the Week, (January 4) 2008; Ig Nobel Prize, 2007
Brian Wansink (born 1960, Sioux City, Iowa) is an American professor in the fields of consumer behavior and nutritional science and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), which is charged with the 2010 Dietary Guidelines and with promoting the Food Guide Pyramid (MyPyramid).

Wansink[1] is best known for his work on consumer behavior and food and for popularizing terms such as "mindless eating" and "health halos." His research has focused on how micro environments (supermarkets, packaging, homes, pantries, and tablescapes) influence what and how much people eat and how much they enjoy it. Wansink holds the John S. Dyson Endowed Chair in the Applied Economics and Management Department at Cornell University. He is the author of over 100 academic articles and books, including Marketing Nutrition (2005) and the best-selling book Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think (Bantam Dell 2006). He is a 2007 recipient of the humorous Ig Nobel Prize and was named ABC World News Person of the Week[2] on January 4, 2008.

Having been referred to as the "Sherlock Holmes of Food"[1] and the "Wizard of Why"[2] Wansink and his Food and Brand Lab have been credited with improving the deeper scientific understanding of food eating and food shopping. A fundamental finding is that how much one eats and how much one enjoys a food are unknowingly biased by the environment -- the way a food is labeled, presented, stored, or served. Part of eating less and eating better, he argues, is as easy as making small adjustments to our homes and to the daily "mindless" patterns of our lives.

The studies from the lab have been credited with the development of the 100 calorie packs as well as discovering and quantifying a wide range of basic, every day insights:

A person will eat an average of 92% of any food they serve themselves.[3]
The average person makes an excess of 250 decisions about food each day.[4]
The Nutritional Gatekeeper of a home influences an estimated 72% of all of the food their family eats.[5]
Because of visual illusions, people (even Philly bartenders) pour 28% more into a short wide glasses than tall ones.[6]
50% of the snack food bought in bulk (such as at a warehouse club store) is eaten within six days of purchase. [7]
Contents
1 Biography
 


Biography
Wansink was born in Sioux City, Iowa of Dutch heritage, to John, a bakery production worker, and to Naomi, a legal secretary. He received his Ph.D. in Consumer behaviour in 1990 from Stanford University, following a B.S. from Wayne State College in 1982 and an M.A. from Drake University in 1984.

He was a Business Administration Professor at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College (1990-1994), a Marketing Professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania (1995-1997), and a Marketing, Nutritional Science, Advertising, and Agricultural Economics Professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1997-2005) before moving to Cornell University (2005 to date). Wansink has also been a Visiting Professor at the Vrije Universiteit (Amsterdam) and Insead (Fountainbleau, France), and he was a Visiting Research Scientist at the U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center (Natick, MA) where he helped design ways to improve the acceptability and consumption of MREs (Meal, Ready-to-Eat) for the United States Army.

 
Wansink's USDA  founded the Food and Brand Lab[4] in 1997 at the University of Illinois and the Consumer Education Foundation in 1999. In 2005 he moved both to Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. Since 2006, Wansink has written a monthly column on food behavior for MSNBC entitled Chew on This.[5] In July 2007, Wansink joined Prevention.com as one of their two nutrition columnists, writing the column Food Think with Wansink.[6]

On November 19, 2007, Wansink was granted a leave of absence from Cornell to accept the appointment as the fourth Executive Director of the USDA's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion. He serves with the Under Secretary for Food, Nutrition, and Consumer Services, Nancy Montanez Johner.


Works
A consumer psychologist, Wansink[7] is best known for his work on food psychology and eating behavior. He focuses on how the environment leads or even tricks people into buying and eating food in ways they are unaware. While some of these insights are directed toward responsible food manufacturers and marketers,[8] the majority are focused specifically at consumers and at the medical/nutrition community. Using a combination of lab studies and field studies, his research has used movie popcorn, refillable soup bowls, bartender glasses, candy dishes, Chinese buffets, and ice cream socials to show how various environment cues influence the food intake of unknowing consumers.[9] Although such environmental factors appear unrelated, Wansink has shown that they generally influence intake by inhibiting consumption monitoring and by suggesting alternative consumption norms.[10]

In contrast to focusing on the macro-food environment as being the cause of the American obesity problem, Wansink's work focuses on the intermediate micro-environment that he contends people can control -- their home and their daily habits. In counterpoint to social criticism of the obesigenic nature of our "foodscape," recent work has focused on the more promising changes that can be made in what Wansink refers to as the obesigenic nature of our "kitchenscapes" and "tablescapes."[11]

In examining the wider range of what is referred to as "mindless eating," Wansink has made contributions to three principal areas of food-related consumption: 1) consumption norms, 2) taste evaluation, and 3) food selection.


Consumption Norms
Consumption norms are influenced by the wide range of factors that can bias an unknowing person to eat or drink more than they otherwise would. For instance, the size of a serving bowl, a plate, or a package has repeatedly been shown to bias how much a person serves himself and eats by an average of 20-30%.[12] In addition, the perceived variety (color of candies) in an assortment and the proximity of candy on one’s desk has been shown to double how much a person eats over the course of a day.[13] Because people are estimated to make over 200 food-related decisions a day that they are unaware of making, the seemingly inconsequential impact of lighting, plate size, glass shape, music, companion, table arrangement, and dining companion can have a sizable impact on daily food intake.[14] Over the course of year, even a 200 calorie daily change in how much one eats would translate into a 20 pound loss in weight or a 20 pound gain in weight.


Taste Evaluation
The extent to which people enjoy food can be influenced by subtle environmental cues. The names of a food can create either positive or negative predispositions that can unfairly bias a person's perceived taste of a food. Wansink shows this is one reason why advertising or promoting a food as "healthy" unfairly biases people against the taste of a food.[15] Yet using names and visual cues to guide a person's expectations can also enhance their perceived taste of a food. In one study, simply labeling a food as being a Succulent Italian Seafood Filet lead restaurant goers to much more favorably rate the taste than when it was simply labeled Seafood Filet.[16] Similarly, the elegance of dishes and the garnishes on plates has been shown to influence a person’s taste ratings of a food.[17]


Food Selection
The food a person eats at a given time is related to sensory issues, but it is also related to how appropriate they perceive this food for that situation. People are more likely to adopt a food into a new situation (say, eating soup for breakfast) if they focus on the benefits of the food instead of on how it differs from prototypical breakfast foods.[18] [19] Food selection has also been linked to favorable

 
The Bottomless Bowl Principlepast memories of food. This has been suggested as to why men tend to claim their favorite comfort foods are meal-related foods, such as steak, pasta, and soup, while women prefer the more convenient foods, such as ice cream, chocolate, and cookies. For men, meal-related comfort foods evoke feelings of nurturing and attention. Yet for women they evoke memories of preparation and clean-up.[20]

Miscellaneous

Ig Noble Prize Recipient
Brian Wansink is a 2007 recipient of the Ig Nobel Prize in Nutrition. The Ig Noble prizes are a parody of the Nobel Prize and are awarded for achievements (or sometimes veiled criticisms thereof) that "first make people laugh, and then make them think." Wansink's award was issued for investigating people's appetite for mindless eating by secretly feeding them a self-refilling bowl of soup. It has come to be known as the Bottomless Bowl Principle.[8]


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« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2008, 03:07:59 PM »
Poor Goudy,

You are OVER 15 percent RIGHT NOW!

Post that pic!

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« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2008, 03:15:08 PM »
I can assure you i am not

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« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2008, 03:15:50 PM »
They wouldn't be allowed to overeat on a fish and rice diet either. I don't know if there are too many people who are obese on boiled fish and rice. Most of them are probably addicted to fat and sugar. I'm not an expert on obesety but I would think that getting them on a diet, where they could still have as much as possible of the foods they like, would make it easier.

yeah I guess I was saying that except for a very few fat people who are extremely motivated, they are hopeless.

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« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2008, 03:16:26 PM »
I'm not concerned with him listening, but the blatant lies and deceit are worth debunking.

I'm not sure what wavelengths profession is, but I assume from what I thought of his intellect he wouldn't subscribe to these fallacies.

I was not lying.
I didn't subscribe to anything.
I just tried a lot of different diet strategies.
This one came out the winner.
I think it's pretty fockin' crafty to use what works.
My profession is being a computer nerd.

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« Reply #96 on: September 03, 2008, 03:17:15 PM »
yeah I guess I was saying that except for a very few fat people who are extremely motivated, they are hopeless.

That maybe correct.

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« Reply #97 on: September 03, 2008, 03:32:52 PM »
That maybe correct.

the problem is we know that maintaining a calorie deficit will result in weight loss, and for us it is not that challenging to execute, but for the average obese person they will experience it as if they were starving (this goes for both their physical reactions and their thoughts which will obsessively center on food).  This makes it very hard for them to stick to any type of diet.

Luckilly most BBers are fat only because of forced overeating as we tend to be ecto-meso types.  So we don't suffer these same symptoms when we diet.

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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2008, 01:36:41 AM »

TA is still posting crap again.... Copying it straight out of the internet and posting it here....

Blah blah blah....

Crap

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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2008, 02:19:44 AM »
TA, why don't you discuss the science behind this without resorting to copy + pasting full articles?

Very weak method of debating this.
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