WWIII on our doorsteps?

[tonymctones]

Yeah sorry I forgot this is getbig. 

How is a college grad with $40-$50K in student loans who gets out making $35-40$K (average salary for a college grad) supposed to afford to live on his own? 
Apartment with first and last months rent or a hefty deposit
car
work clothes
food
furnishings to live on his own i.e. bed, plates, knives, spoons, maybe a telephone
car insurance
health insurance

Thank you sir

Very possible, first though lets address the 40-50k in college loans depending on how many years they where in these ppl must not have been working during college? If the do have 40-50k in loans then chances are they werent living with parents anyway.

I think it is very possible, of course you arent living in the lap of luxury and your not going out every week but shit sacrifices have to be made. You will make do with what you have if you really want to, maybe you have to sale that 30k car and buy a hyundai or kia etc...but you can make do.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Thank you sir

Very possible, first though lets address the 40-50k in college loans depending on how many years they where in these ppl must not have been working during college? If the do have 40-50k in loans then chances are they werent living with parents anyway.

I think it is very possible, of course you arent living in the lap of luxury and your not going out every week but shit sacrifices have to be made. You will make do with what you have if you really want to, maybe you have to sale that 30k car and buy a hyundai or kia etc...but you can make do.

So your saying college kids should live with their parents? LOL.  Did you live with your parents.  When my kids are 18 year are out of my house and either work, college, or military.  That's how it should be.  That how I was raised.  None of this living with your parents bullshit while in college.  That's the whole point of college, to make young people independent and self reliant.  That's the whole problem with college nowadays.......they turn kids into reliant, needy, indebted consumers. 

[Hereford]

Hold it, he's still going to wash my car right?

Why yes, and with environmentally friendly organic biodegradible car wash too.

[Hugo Chavez]

plz condense that i come on here to relax and chat not to read novels man

yea, Tony runs this place. Don't be typing out long ass posts.  This place is for sarcastic 3 lines or less 90 IQ style of posting.  Tony... Why don't you fucking start a thread in complaints to have me replaced.  Clearly your retarded jackass dipshit ways are much more suited to modding this forum.  I support Either Tony or Youandme to replace me as mod.  We can get this place officially and fully inline with the owned or stoned crowed who have taken full control of getbig. I Know BB will love it.

[headhuntersix]

Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.

As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!

[Hereford]

Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.

As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!

Quoted for truth by HH6.

[headhuntersix]

Hey Hereford..were u or are u Marine?

[Hereford]

I am not.

I was all but signed up, then got into my first choice college on a football ride.
Did ROTC for awhile but had to drop (I was owned by the Uni)

Always regretted missing out tho....

[headhuntersix]

Its ur avatar...the latin is the motto of the 3rd MARDIV

[Hereford]

Its ur avatar...the latin is the motto of the 3rd MARDIV

That's where I got it from.

Had family in WW2 that were assigned.

[headhuntersix]

Good to go.......its fairly obsecure as the Corps has 1 motto etc.

[Hereford]

What unit are you with, If I may ask?

[headhuntersix]

I was with the 2nd Mar Div a long time ago before college and now I'm in the Army. I'm with the guys who developed  the "Surge" etc....we're a group that evaluates units headed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.

As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!

For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off.  You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here?  Haha you are clueless.  Maybe 20-30 years ago.  But these days there is opportunity all over the world.  And you call me the socialist?  You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor.  All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars. 

Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American!   

[240 is Back]

I'm fairly confident that Bob Barr's position on foreign policy could solve this problem.

Bob Barr on Abortion   

Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999) 


 Bob Barr on Budget & Economy   

Earmarks are an outrageous abuse by Congressmen to buy votes. (Apr 2008)
Remove both earmarks and cut the underlying spending. (Apr 2008)
Allow $3 on 1040 form to pay off National Debt. (Sep 2000)
Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto. (Sep 1994)

 

 Bob Barr on Civil Rights   

Criticizes efforts to restrict rights of homosexuals. (Jun 2008)
Applying habeas in Guantanamo reaffirms fundamental liberty. (Jun 2008)
Authored Defense of Marriage Act. (May 2008)
Threats to liberty in post-9/11 world require libertarianism. (May 2008)
The Nanny State is getting increasingly intrusive. (Apr 2008)
Took post with ACLU based on fundamental common interests. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Sponsored bill for "Privacy Impact Statement" on new rules. (Apr 2002)
 

 Bob Barr on Corporations   

Eliminate billions in corporate welfare. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
 

 Bob Barr on Crime   

Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Drugs   

Favors the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes. (Jun 2008)
No national nannies: leave smokers alone. (Jun 2008)
In Congress, a strong supporter of the War on Drugs. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999)
 

 Bob Barr on Education   

Don't let California home schooling ban spread. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
Voted YES on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
Let schools display the words "God Bless America". (Oct 2001)
Supports requiring schools to allow prayer. (Jan 2001)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
 

 Bob Barr on Energy & Oil   

Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
 

 Bob Barr on Environment   

Human beings are more important than mussels. (Dec 2007)
 

 Bob Barr on Families & Children   

Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Member of the Missing & Exploited Children's Caucus. (Jan 2001)
Use tax code to reinforce families. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Foreign Policy   

Neocon aggression opens can of worms: others will do same. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
 

 Bob Barr on Free Trade   

Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
 

 Bob Barr on Government Reform   

Voted YES on banning soft money donations to national political parties. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
Restrict campaign donations from foreigners or 3rd parties. (May 1999)
Limit punitive damages; term limits on Congress. (Sep 1994)
Government is too big, too intrusive, too easy with money. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Gun Control   

Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Sponsored bill banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jan 2001)
 

 Bob Barr on Health Care   

Voted YES on allowing suing HMOs, but under federal rules & limited award. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on subsidizing private insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)
Collect data on birth defects and present to the public. (Apr 1998)
 

 Bob Barr on Homeland Security   

Restore habeas corpus and protect citizens from government. (Apr 2008)
Restore military to defense; commit to non-intervention. (Apr 2008)
Real ID Act is Big Government at its worst. (Jan 2008)
Real ID Act is Big Government at its worst. (Jan 2008)
Loud Congressional critic of government's abuses of power. (Dec 2003)
Regrets voting for the USA PATRIOT Act. (Dec 2003)
Matrix system and TIA are privacy-invasive programs. (Dec 2003)
Military tribunals ok, if monitored & defined. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
Sponsored bill allowing assassination of terrorist leaders. (Jan 2001)
No US troops under UN command; more defense spending. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Immigration   

Be aggressive in securing our borders. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Sponsored bill declaring English the US' official language. (Jan 1999)
 

 Bob Barr on Jobs   

Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on zero-funding OSHA's Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)
Incentives to businesses create jobs & raise wages. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Principles & Values   

Seeks Ron Paul's supporters based on libertarian message. (Jun 2008)
On ballot in 48 states; working on last two. (Jun 2008)
Libertarian nominee hopes to be on ballot in all 50 states. (May 2008)
McCain is big-government; I am small-government. (May 2008)
Expects votes to come from those who would sit out election. (May 2008)
Rejects "spolier" label; expects to win electoral votes. (May 2008)
Served as US Attorney and as a CIA official. (Apr 2008)
Announces for president: time for principle over complacency. (Apr 2008)
Religious affiliation: Methodist. (Nov 2000)
Contract with America: 10 bills in 1st 100 days of Congress. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Social Security   

Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
Create personal retirement accounts within Social Security. (Jul 2000)
Reduce taxes on Social Security earnings. (Sep 1994)
 

 Bob Barr on Tax Reform   

New tax revolt: both reduce and simplify taxes. (Jun 2008)
Lower taxes by dramatically cutting back size of government. (May 2008)
The FairTax replaces the IRS plus payroll taxes. (Apr 2008)
Repeal the 16th amendment & eliminate the income tax. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on $99 B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
Reduce the capital gains tax . (Jan 2001)
Phaseout the death tax. (Mar 2001)
Repeal marriage tax; cut middle class taxes. (Sep 1994)
 

[Hereford]

For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off.  You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here?  Haha you are clueless.  Maybe 20-30 years ago.  But these days there is opportunity all over the world.  And you call me the socialist?  You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor.  All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars. 

Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American!   

MM what branch did you serve in?

[tonymctones]

So your saying college kids should live with their parents? LOL.  Did you live with your parents.  When my kids are 18 year are out of my house and either work, college, or military.  That's how it should be.  That how I was raised.  None of this living with your parents bullshit while in college.  That's the whole point of college, to make young people independent and self reliant.  That's the whole problem with college nowadays.......they turn kids into reliant, needy, indebted consumers. 

sorry i went and watched the football games I did for two years of college and I agree but my point stands and that is you live within your means and you will be fine. Its not the system that is totally fucked although there are problems its the people within the system.

[tonymctones]

yea, Tony runs this place. Don't be typing out long ass posts.  This place is for sarcastic 3 lines or less 90 IQ style of posting.  Tony... Why don't you fucking start a thread in complaints to have me replaced.  Clearly your retarded jackass dipshit ways are much more suited to modding this forum.  I support Either Tony or Youandme to replace me as mod.  We can get this place officially and fully inline with the owned or stoned crowed who have taken full control of getbig. I Know BB will love it.

Bite your fucking tongue boy 

dont be mad at me for your shortcomings

It was an innocent request with no animosity behind it and MM doesnt seem like he took offense to it at all so STFU and mind your own business...STALKER

[headhuntersix]

For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off.  You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here?  Haha you are clueless.  Maybe 20-30 years ago.  But these days there is opportunity all over the world.  And you call me the socialist?  You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor.  All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars. 

Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American!   

Again where have u traveled to exactly....I said West dipshit West...did I say America. I don't want them all coming here. We have enough. My endless war....dude do u have the Lib douchbag playbook open as u type.  All we get from u are worthless garbage posts on how America keeps everybody down aqnd how we have to help each other. If u don't work hard here u get stepped on....

[headhuntersix]

Not to mention all the gloom and doom bullshit. I'm sorry i don't see bread lines anywhere...

[OzmO]

sorry i went and watched the football games I did for two years of college and I agree but my point stands and that is you live within your means and you will be fine. Its not the system that is totally fucked although there are problems its the people within the system.

I probably agree with you 90%.   I think, however, we the responsible, through government and law, must occasionally protect people from themselves. 

[headhuntersix]

To an extent.....flesh that out.

[OzmO]

To an extent.....flesh that out.

That's the debate isn't?

How much does the government need to be involved?

I say as little as possible.

The problem is at what point do they need to get involved to stop the suffering?  And it what areas?   As far as home loans..... Are they bailing out the mortgage companies because there are no others to take their place if they go under?   As far as the people who got the loans.....  they shouldn't be bailed out IMO.   Maybe helped.  But not bailed out. 

[headhuntersix]

Maybe u get them more time...but if I can't afford the new loan payment today...what makes it better 3 months from now and then if I get bailed out...why won't i try again ina few years. Whats bullshit is that normal people who make decent money and have no issues will have a harder time getting loans because of this. I move all the time and will be buying another house in the next 2-3 years or sooner. I have actually used an arm because I get more house in a better neighborhood and then move way before the rate goes up. But if u can barely afford an arm and then have zero way to pay for the adjusted rate, u have no right nor business owning a home.

[OzmO]

Maybe u get them more time...but if I can't afford the new loan payment today...what makes it better 3 months from now and then if I get bailed out...why won't i try again ina few years. Whats bullshit is that normal people who make decent money and have no issues will have a harder time getting loans because of this. I move all the time and will be buying another house in the next 2-3 years or sooner. I have actually used an arm because I get more house in a better neighborhood and then move way before the rate goes up. But if u can barely afford an arm and then have zero way to pay for the adjusted rate, u have no right nor business owning a home.

Agreed.

Maybe they don't need to get bailed other than exception from any credit damage.