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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2008, 06:53:51 PM »
I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2008, 06:57:46 PM »
Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking.  Plus just how hard are college kids gonna be working on these "problems" if they're just there to get their 3 hours so they get their check at the beginning of the semester?  All those "jobs" might be jokes I'm thinking, not really getting much done?  
Again, that is an ignorant statement to make.  Most Europeans have this system in place and the type of jobs are far ranging and not exactly easy.  A lot take place in clinical settings as orderlies, Humane Societies, even trash collecting.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2008, 07:00:37 PM »
So John McCain's just as for this plan as Obama is? 
Yep.

You can watch on any of the News websites tonights Columbia Forum and I implore that you do so.
Here is a link in case you want to watch.  Watch both Mccain and Obama. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2008, 07:01:04 PM »
I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.

I probably agree with you on this part.  

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2008, 07:02:04 PM »
Again, that is an ignorant statement to make.  Most Europeans have this system in place and the type of jobs are far ranging and not exactly easy.  A lot take place in clinical settings as orderlies, Humane Societies, even trash collecting.

So these are not only low-paying jobs, but hard jobs? 

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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2008, 07:02:43 PM »
I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.
And this is a problem because.....


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2008, 07:10:55 PM »
So these are not only low-paying jobs, but hard jobs? 
Depends on the job and what skills you have.



From Today:

McCain, Obama come together on National service

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama spoke about the importance of national service during a Thursday forum sponsored by TIME at Columbia University in New York.

The presidential canidates put aside partisan politics as the nation remembers the terrorist attacks.

 The presidential candidates took the stage separately, a coin toss determining who took questions first from moderators TIME Managing Editor Rick Stengel and PBS's Judy Woodruff.

Woodruff first asked McCain why it seems the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, are "fading" in the minds of many Americans.

"We needed at that time [September 11, 2001] to take advantage of the unity in the United States of America," he said. "We weren't Republicans on September 11. We weren't Democrats. We were Americans."

McCain also said he suspects the American people feel uninspired by leaders in Washington and repeated the 2008 campaign trail mantra that they crave change in federal government. Americans more than ever appreciate that we live in a global political environment where isolationist tendencies no longer apply, he said.

"They understand the challenges we have in this world," he said, pointing to Russia's recent invasion of Georgia, and "problems growing larger" in Afghanistan. "How is it that we can inspire people? ... We have to reform government. We have to reform the way we're doing business."

McCain was asked what role the federal government should play in national service -- private, public and military.

He praised the Peacecorps and AmeriCorps, saying they and similar organizations don't receive "sufficient recognition" from Washington. But McCain was careful to say government should limit its involvement in largely private volunteer organizations.

"I'd be glad to spend money but I don't think that should be the first priority ..."

Government has a "distinct" role but he said he "wants to be careful about expanding it."

The GOP candidate also fielded a question about his running mate Gov. Sarah Palin's dismissive comments about Obama's community service in Illinois.

"Look, this is a tough business," McCain said, saying Sen. Obama set the tone of the race when he turned down McCain's offer to participate together in town hall meetings across the United States.

"Of course I respect community organizers who serve their community," McCain said, calling Obama's community organizing in inner-city Chicago "outstanding."

"I praise anyone who serves this nation in that capacity."

Obama said his views don't really differ from McCain's on national service.

"America is the greatest country on earth but it didn't just happen on its own," said Obama, saying later as McCain said, that a person's income doesn't necessarily indicate whether they will have the time or the inclination to volunteer. "What has built this country is people who participate in public service that extend beyond our immediate self interest."

Obama said that on Friday he will announce a citizenship volunteer program to help young people of modest means to get involved in their community as he did years ago.

"The fact is we have to have to have government," Obama said. "When a hurricane strikes as it did with Katrina, we have to have a FEMA that works which means we should be encouraging young people to get involved as civil servants" capable of doing the job well.

"That doesn't crowd out the Red Cross or thousands of church groups that went down there [to New Orleans]," he continued. "The Peacecorps does not crowd out need for [other] service overseas."

The forum is part of a two-day summit meant to promote national service. Nearly 500 leaders from business, foundations, universities and politics are meeting to "celebrate the power and potential of citizen service" and lay out a plan to address "America's greatest social challenges through expanded opportunities for volunteer and national service," according to the organizers' Web site.

Each presidential candidate has served his nation in different ways. McCain was a Navy officer for over two decades and often encourages Americans to serve a "cause greater than oneself."

Obama served as a community organizer in the South Side of Chicago after he graduated from college. In a speech in December, the Illinois Democrat said he would ask for Americans' service if he becomes president. "This will be the cause of my presidency," he said.

Today's joint appearance comes amid recent sniping between the campaigns.

McCain's campaign recently attacked Obama for "lipstick" remarks made during a campaign stop in Virginia on Tuesday.

"John McCain says he's about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out George Bush -- except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics -- we're really going to shake things up in Washington,' " he said.

"That's not change. That's just calling ... the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing."  Watch how tensions are rising on the trail »

The crowd erupted in applause when Obama delivered the line. McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's.

Obama shot back Wednesday and accused the McCain campaign of engaging in "lies" and "swift boat politics."

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics," he said in Norfolk, Virginia. "Enough is enough."  Watch Obama deliver his harsh words »

The phrase "swift boat" comes from the 2004 presidential election, when the group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" launched an attack ad campaign against Democratic candidate John Kerry that was said by some to be false.

But the two presidential candidates agreed to put aside partisan politics on Thursday. They appeared together in New York to lay a wreath at ground zero, where the World Trade Center towers collapsed after two airliners hijacked by al Qaeda operatives plowed into them on September 11, 2001.

The two met with families of victims as well as state and local officials.


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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2008, 07:13:14 PM »
Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.

Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.

There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.

you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?

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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2008, 07:16:23 PM »
And this is a problem because.....



because you wont see any ads on 5th Avenue or in rich neighborhoods or downtown Wall Street, guaranteed.... and you wont see the
commercials during "This week on Wall Street" or on A&E.   I see this all the time from the newspapers to Madison Avenue, everything is dumbed down to try to get the middle class to either buy something or do something...its so obvious its embarrasing.

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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2008, 07:18:12 PM »
you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?

I didn't tell him to become a trash collector. That's what's great about this country. If you don't like your job, well, you can get a new one. If you don't meet the qualifications, well, you can go back to school.

And his extra one thousand dollars shouldn't come out of my pocket. That is wealth redistribution...and it's communism.

We call this place a democracy. Technically, it is a representative republic, but you get the idea.

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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2008, 07:18:48 PM »
you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?

absolutely and the warm fuzzy feeling of giving back to society  :-X

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2008, 07:23:57 PM »
because you wont see any ads on 5th Avenue or in rich neighborhoods or downtown Wall Street, guaranteed.... and you wont see the
commercials during "This week on Wall Street" or on A&E.   I see this all the time from the newspapers to Madison Avenue, everything is dumbed down to try to get the middle class to either buy something or do something...its so obvious its embarrasing.
That has nothing to do with the actual "meat" of the program though.

It is up to the citizens to a large degree to educate themselves and others on the benefits of national service.  Perhaps a national service job will include designing better advertising campaigns for promotion.  Disaster relief is one segment of volunteer jobs which intriguing as well, given the stretch the National Guard is currently facing in many states.  

Both Barack Obama and John Mccain at least agree on the extreme importance of National Service and how it will help those in the future.  As a Barack supporter, I can applaud John Mccain`s willingness in this area and I hope Mccain can actually use this as an issue to campaign with instead of the politics of fear.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2008, 07:24:52 PM »
Well maybe McCain's just going along with it until he gets elected and won't harp on it through his whole presidency.  Any chance that Obama would be more likely to harp on it through his whole presidency?    

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2008, 07:25:11 PM »
I didn't tell him to become a trash collector. That's what's great about this country. If you don't like your job, well, you can get a new one. If you don't meet the qualifications, well, you can go back to school.

And his extra one thousand dollars shouldn't come out of my pocket. That is wealth redistribution...and it's communism.

We call this place a democracy. Technically, it is a representative republic, but you get the idea.
Under an Obama Tax plan, you will be able to keep more of your money than with Mccain.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2008, 07:26:17 PM »
Well maybe McCain's just going along with it until he gets elected and won't harp on it through his whole presidency.  Any chance that Obama would be more likely to harp on it through his whole presidency?    
The Kennedy-Hatch bill will be passed regardless of who is in office.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2008, 07:27:45 PM »
Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.

www.obamataxplan.com

You can enter your income and compare.

where on this site can you compare the plans? Its just a giant search engine.

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2008, 07:29:22 PM »
The Kennedy-Hatch bill will be passed regardless of who is in office.

OK, so this is pretty much a non-issue then.  Alright well thanks for pointing out some of the stuff you have. 

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2008, 07:30:54 PM »
where on this site can you compare the plans? Its just a giant search engine.
Im sorry, the site is

www.obamataxcut.com

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2008, 07:31:11 PM »
Under an Obama Tax plan, you will be able to keep more of your money than with Mccain.
Actually, I considered a rich guy by Hussein's standards.

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2008, 07:33:49 PM »
Actually, I considered a rich guy by Hussein's standards.
So you are in the 1-5 percent of Americans that make over 250,000 dollars a year? 95 percent of America does not make that much.

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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2008, 07:34:08 PM »
Im sorry, the site is

www.obamataxcut.com

haaaaaa that means A23 did not even read the site when he agreed with you!

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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2008, 07:36:20 PM »
my name obama im a bwack man bote for me cus I giv ya wat ya want ya heard me

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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2008, 07:38:08 PM »
So you are in the 1-5 percent of Americans that make over 250,000 dollars a year? 95 percent of America does not make that much.

True.

However, I'll bet Obama will still raise taxes on them. He is lying when he says he won't. It's just like Bill Clinton. He said he was going to give the middle class a tax cut. Then in 93' he said he "crunched the numbers" and he "just couln't do it." He then proceeded to create the biggest overall tax hike in American history.

In fact, you have to go all the way back to JFK to find a Democrat who actually cut taxes. That was 47 years ago.



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Re: Obama On "Community Service"
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2008, 07:40:01 PM »
I openly admit that obammers will indeed, take from the rich and give to the poor.  I'm poor... me and wife combined make 70k... so it'll benefit me.  I'll take the extra 700 or whatever it'll be... not a huge amount to he honest.

plus obama's a gungrabber too.  I don' tlike him.



But I don't like mccain, because I do believe his bush economic policy will indeed crash this economy.  failing trilion dollar banks that nobody is talking about = frightening.  Saying recession is 'all in our heads' while banks and automakers fail = really frightening.



vote bob barr 2008.  At least as the dollar collapses and the missiles are coming to and from russia, you'll have a smile on your face knowing you didn't support either of these bums.

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« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2008, 07:50:10 PM »
240 when i first came to this site you were a staunch republican, what happened in 10 words or less?