1993 - best ever!

[Hulkster]

Dorian is better conditioned because of his thin skin and his density and he could maintain this conditioning at much higher bodyweights this is what made him special among other things

not that high of a bodyweight:

 

at 269 pounds, a 260 or so pound Ronnie obliterates him in the conditioning department:

I mean look at this: Ronnie's skin looks almost stretched he is so hard, dry and full. looks like he is about to explode.

dorian, on the other hand, looks like marshmallow or dough...

[Mr.1derful]

<<<

I guess you simply don't want to admit that my milkshake comment was in reference to your hero's gyno.  And by the way, as ND has stated, when he used the phrase, it was in reference to his owning you.  "You" made it out to be some sort of gay reference.  Perhaps you would know better than ND or I, as we don't run in those circles.  

[NeoSeminole]

Definition doesn't mean striations , striations are a byproduct but one can be striated and be holding water , one can be defined and be holding water,

wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.

Dorian is better conditioned because of his thin skin and his density and he could maintain this conditioning at much higher bodyweights this is what made him special among other things

Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was.

Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview

"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_training_insight.htm

striations are genetic for the most part one obviously have to be in good shape to have the visible but no matter how dry & hard one becomes they can never have as many as Munzer

Munzer was also the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time. So it makes sense that he had more separations and striations than everyone else.

Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging

"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."

http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583

[NarcissisticDeity]

not that high of a bodyweight:

 

at 269 pounds, a 260 or so pound Ronnie obliterates him in the conditioning department:

says YOU now the trick is to find someone who can confirm this for you  

and please Ronnie's conditioning in 99 suffered with just 8 pounds extra never mind Dorian  

[Mr.1derful]

That means I own you 

On a side note, that clip is bloody hilarious!  LMFAO

[Hulkster]

lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?

no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.

but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL

[Hulkster]

says YOU now the trick is to find someone who can confirm this for you 

gee lets see

diamond hard striations, cuts vascularity vs puffy detailess mass..

hmmmm..which is better conditioned LOL

 

you need to start believing in real life ND. it owns your ass.

[Mr.1derful]

lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?

no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.

but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL

I'm sure Ronnie's gyno can spare a little milkshake for you, Huckster! lol

[NeoSeminole]

lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?

tell me about it. What grown man says to another man he wants to drink his "milkshake?"

then he accuses me of being gay.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.

Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was.

Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview

"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_training_insight.htm

Munzer was also the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time.

Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging

"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."

http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583

wrong, definition is directly correlated with conditioning. As one drops body fat and water, they display more separations and striations. This is anatomy 101.

You missed the point definition doesn't mean striations , they are a byproduct of being dry and hard however when all is said and done they're genetic hence why no matter how hard and dry Ronnie became or Dorian NEITHER had striations like Munzer hence genetic

Dorian's thin skin was genetic and gave him the illusion of better conditioning. Following your rationale, it shouldn't count since Ronnie's skin would never become as thin no matter how conditioned he was.

lmfao illusion of better conditioning? that's the fucking definition of better conditioning , thiness of skin and absence of intra-muscular fat

Neither Silvio or Munzer could maintain that level of conditioning at Dorian's bodyweights , many small bodybuilders are in great conditioning the trick is to combine that with muscular bulk

Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnie regardless of of fact Ronnie may have more striations

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol that fag ND wants to drink Neo's milkshake?

no surprise there. he has wanted to drink dorian's milkeshake for years now.

but Uncle Joe drained it all LOL

Thanks for confirming your inability to counter any of my arguments by projecting your latent homosexual fantasies you're in good company with Neo , he thinks of other men like that often

[ASJChaotic]

GUYS!


You're NOT making ANY progress!

you're going in circles, no wonder the truce thread was over 1600 pages.

After ALL THIS TIME, you have not come to a conclusion?

You guys are going around to the same shit, time and time again.

You say and deal with one topic then go right back to it, and post the same pics 100000 times.

We need a judge in this debate. 
there is no end to it, other wise.

[NarcissisticDeity]

tell me about it. What grown man says to another man he wants to drink his "milkshake?"

then he accuses me of being gay.

I never said I want to drink your mikshake thats a LIE and now ontop of your latent homosexual tendencies you're reduced to lying lol the gay references go hand in hand with you appearntly lying to yourself lol

I own you hence I drink your milkshake

[Hulkster]

your inability to counter any of my arguments

actually, the visuals that we have presented counter all of your arguments.

why do you think you have spent the last 38 pages doing your best to find an excuse as to why the visuals are either 'faked' (sic) or don't matter?

think about it.

 

you are trying to find a way around them because they expose the bullshit that you post, and prove all your assertions to be completely and totally wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

gee lets see

diamond hard striations, cuts vascularity vs puffy detailess mass..

hmmmm..which is better conditioned LOL

 

you need to start believing in real life ND. it owns your ass.

Why is it all the people who saw Ronnie & Dorian compete in REAL LIFE say Dorian is better conditioned? yeah I thought so    

lmfao ' diamond hard striations ' how the fuck can lines he diamond hard? what a tool

[NarcissisticDeity]

actually, the visuals that we have presented counter all of your arguments.

why do you think you have spent the last 38 pages doing your best to find an excuse as to why the visuals are either 'faked' (sic) or don't matter?

think about it.

 

you are trying to find a way around them because they expose the bullshit that you post, and prove all your assertions to be completely and totally wrong.

NO you posting pictures and claiming the opposite of reality doesn't constitute a counter argument that's called denial , you say Ronnie is harder & drier than Dorian , I say he's not I back up my claim via an IFBB judge and Peter McGough , as well as a score of other people , your response is ? deny lol

back up your claim Ronnie is harder & drier in 1999 than Dorian was , stop typing it and back it up , seeing it's true you should have no problem lol I'll be waiting LMMFAO

[NeoSeminole]

You missed the point definition doesn't mean striations

yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).

they are a byproduct of being dry and hard however when all is said and done they're genetic hence why no matter how hard and dry Ronnie became or Dorian NEITHER had striations like Munzer hence genetic

if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

lmfao illusion of better conditioning? that's the fucking definition of better conditioning , thiness of skin and absence of intra-muscular fat

nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.

Neither Silvio or Munzer could maintain that level of conditioning at Dorian's bodyweights , many small bodybuilders are in great conditioning the trick is to combine that with muscular bulk

so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha.

Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnie regardless of of fact Ronnie may have more striations

wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

GUYS!


You're NOT making ANY progress!

you're going in circles, no wonder the truce thread was over 1600 pages.

After ALL THIS TIME, you have not come to a conclusion?

You guys are going around to the same shit, time and time again.

You say and deal with one topic then go right back to it, and post the same pics 100000 times.

We need a judge in this debate. 
there is no end to it, other wise.

I came to the conclusion this kid was an idiot hence why I started the truce thread , he refues and he got his ass kicked for 1600+ pages I proved my point and his own hero conceded he would never be able to beat Dorian on multiple occasions , I walked away from the truce thread , FURIOUS I owned them via their own hero , they are reduced to following ME around from thread to thread looking to equal the score

I am right , they are wrong and I defeated them hence they keep following me proving me right one post at a time.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).

if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.

so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha.

wrong.

yes it does, idiot. Find me an obese person with separations and striations. Likewise, find me a shredded person with no separations or striations. Definition is directly correlated with conditioning (i.e. as body fat and water levels drop, definition increases).

as usual you're missing the point definition isn't striations , striations are a by product , Ronnie has very defined rectus femoris YET unlike Munzer he has NO striations on them and I agree definition is part & parcel of conditioning however striations don't always mean great conditioning because they can be covered in a film of water

if they are genetic, then explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

if they are genetic  striations are genetic hence why no one else in history of bodybuilding has had the same amount of Munzer despite being just as hard and dry , striations are part training , part conditioning and for the most part genetic , I've never seen anyone with striated rectus femoris no matter how dry & hard they were i.e they were genetic

nope. Dorian said himself that he genetically has very thin skin. This disproves your theory that thin skin is the result of conditioning.

LMFAO among your dumbest statements you ever typed this isn't even worth a response

so you concede that Andreas Munzer had better conditioning? Gotcha.

no I concede Munzer had more striations 

wrong.

you're getting desperate again you're posting a question NOT a fact  it was posed as a question , you always try and pass this off as something more than what it is . indicative of your stupidity

[NeoSeminole]

as usual you're missing the point definition isn't striations , striations are a by product , Ronnie has very defined rectus femoris YET unlike Munzer he has NO striations on them and I agree definition is part & parcel of conditioning however striations don't always mean great conditioning because they can be covered in a film of water

you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations.

if they are genetic striations are genetic hence why no one else in history of bodybuilding has had the same amount of Munzer despite being just as hard and dry , striations are part training , part conditioning and for the most part genetic , I've never seen anyone with striated rectus femoris no matter how dry & hard they were i.e they were genetic

"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian?

by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

LMFAO among your dumbest statements you ever typed this isn't even worth a response

see above.

no I concede Munzer had more striations

so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, according to you, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.

[England_1]

neosemen is my BITCH.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations.

"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian?

by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

see above.

so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, by your own admission, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.

you're missing the point. I never said definition is striations. I said definition is directly correlated with conditioning. And your counter-example of striations being covered by a film of water sucks b/c what do you think happens when one drops more water? They display more striations.

oh boy lol I'm NOT denying definition is correlated with conditioning , lmfao and when one drops more water the underlying striations don't multiple ANY striations already there will be more visible , it's like having strong abdominals that can't be seen because they're covered in a layer of fat they're there already you just can't see him , you can still see striations even if they have covered in a thin film of water

"if they are genetic?" After accusing me of being delusional for disagreeing with Dorian who happens to be a judge, now you ignore his quote when it disproves your argument. What next? You're going to disagree with a head judge if he says Ronnie at his prime would beat Dorian?

it doesn't disprove anything , Dorian is stating a fact that he naturally has thin skin therefore you dolt it doesn't take as much effort for him to loose any excess water and or fat LMFAO it doesn't disprove a damn thing lol your logic just confound the mind at times you're so desperate to try and prove me wrong you'll just say anything lol you're hands down the biggest idiot when it comes to this topic

and when 13 judges all say Ronnie would beat prime Dorian I'll concede I was wrong  

by the way, you didn't explain what anatomical factor is responsible for the lack of definition at extreme conditioning levels.

I don't have to  

so you admit he had better conditioning since striations, by your own admission, are the result of conditioning. Gotcha.

again if you think speaking for me proves anything it doesn't , pay attention , striations have to have the right set of circumstances to be seen , great conditioning and training , again even with the two NOT everyone will have the same striations in the same places or the same amount , so in the end with equal conditioning the amount of striations are you guessed it GENETIC

and NO Munzer wasn't more conditioned than Yates , he just had more striations in his conditioned state  

[NarcissisticDeity]

here is proof that striations are genetic and muscles can be defined and separated yet lack striations

Munzer's rectus femoris clearly defined and separated and striated
Ronnie Coleman showing his rectus femoris , full developed m clearly defined and separated yet NOT striations , this is Ronnie at his absloute best in terms of conditioning yet NO striations in this muscle and yet it's still developed , defined and separated

case closed striations are genetic

[NeoSeminole]

oh boy lol I'm NOT denying definition is correlated with conditioning , lmfao and when one drops more water the underlying striations don't multiple ANY striations already there will be more visible , it's like having strong abdominals that can't be seen because they're covered in a layer of fat they're there already you just can't see him , you can still see striations even if they have covered in a thin film of water

so basically you are agreeing with me that striations are the result of conditioning, and more striations are the product of better conditioning.

it doesn't disprove anything , Dorian is stating a fact that he naturally has thin skin therefore you dolt it doesn't take as much effort for him to loose any excess water and or fat LMFAO it doesn't disprove a damn thing lol your logic just confound the mind at times you're so desperate to try and prove me wrong you'll just say anything lol you're hands down the biggest idiot when it comes to this topic

yawn.

Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding.com Interview

"I do know that genetically I have very thin skin. One girlfriend who was a beauty expert said my actual skin barrier is really thin, nothing to do with the subcutaneous fat underneath."

I don't have to

yes, you do since you are proposing some mysterious, not yet discovered factor responsible for Dorian's lack of separations and striations compared to 01 ASC Ronnie. The only things covering muscle are the skin, subcutaneous fat, and fascia.



however, Dorian has very thin skin and supposedly no subcutaneous fat. This leaves the fascia which is only 1 mm thick - hardly enough thickness to noticeably obscure definition. So what anatomical factor is responsible for Dorian's lack of definition?

again if you think speaking for me proves anything it doesn't , pay attention , striations have to have the right set of circumstances to be seen , great conditioning and training , again even with the two NOT everyone will have the same striations in the same places or the same amount , so in the end with equal conditioning the amount of striations are you guessed it GENETIC

and NO Munzer wasn't more conditioned than Yates , he just had more striations in his conditioned state

see above.

[NeoSeminole]

here is proof that striations are genetic and muscles can be defined and separated yet lack striations

Munzer's rectus femoris clearly defined and separated and striated
Ronnie Coleman showing his rectus femoris , full developed m clearly defined and separated yet NOT striations , this is Ronnie at his absloute best in terms of conditioning yet NO striations in this muscle and yet it's still developed , defined and separated

case closed striations are genetic

or option B - Andreas Munzer had better conditioning.

Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging

"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."