Fix This : The near impossibility of Fixing a Bodybuilding show.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You don't believe the quote? I'll see if I can find the mag by today or tomorrow. I did not think the quote was anti-Dorian at all, just interesting in correlation to your previous post.

You do that I'll lose sleep until then

[RC Money]

You do that I'll lose sleep until then

Oh no  . I would'nt want that, now you'll have no sleep between this and a nude Dorian being in your head at all times.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh no  . I would'nt want that, now you'll have no sleep between this and a nude Dorian being in your head at all times.

you constantly make homosexual references what would Freud say?

[Hulkster]

and the judges were partial to Dorian's physique because it was SUPERIOR to his contemporaries using the Official IFBB judging criteria duh

please explain to everyone how the judges can apply the 'official IFBB judging criteria" to dorian vs. his competitors without even actually comparing him to them in the round?

explain genius..

[Hulkster]

you constantly make homosexual references what would Freud say?

Freud would say Ronnie is better than dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

please explain to everyone how the judges can apply the 'official IFBB judging criteria" to dorian vs. his competitors without even actually comparing him to them in the round?

explain genius..

They seen enough in the symmetry round I typed this already , you seen this already

there is a very good reason Kevin Horton one of the best contest photogphers of all time called you a retard lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Freud would say Ronnie is better than dorian.

and that would mean what? lots of people say with the exception of Ronnie 

[RC Money]

you constantly make homosexual references what would Freud say?

He'd probrably say your gay if he studied this thread, your id impulses you to sexualy satisfy yourself to photos of Yates  .

[ninja turtle]

Another quality thread by ND, too bad nd/hulkster cant post a thing without the other jumping in on the truce.

[RC Money]

and that would mean what? lots of people say with the exception of Ronnie 

Ronnie's a humble man who respects Dorian and would not say things to detract from him, but Ronnie's also a complete idiot who's claimed he does not use steroids and had no sort of injury prior to the 06 & 07 Olympias all while his head shakes in spasms.

[Hulkster]

They seen enough in the symmetry round I typed this already , you seen this already

its going in one ear and out your other.

you don't get it:

you cant 'see enough' of someone in a QUARTER TURN to make an accurate assumption of what a front double bi looks like in comparison to your competitors, what a rear double bi looks like, what a lat spread looks like what a..etc etc etc.

you can only 'see enough' if you have the score predetermined ahead of time ie partial judging..ie ND is fucked.

[Hulkster]

You do that I'll masturbate to thoughts of dorian until then

fixed for accuracy.

[Earl1972]

Did Dorian deserve all of his wins against Kevin Levrone?

in my opinion, no

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[Tre]

The voters decide nothing.

The ones who count the votes decide everything.

[NarcissisticDeity]

in my opinion, no

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Elaborate

[monstercalves]

The voters decide nothing.

The ones who count the votes decide everything.

we have a winner..........   

[Earl1972]

Elaborate

I think Mr. Levrone was better than Dorian more often than not

the judges preferred dorian's physique

what don't you understand?  i never claimed or insinuated the contest was fixed

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[pumpster]

E

hahaahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahhahaha

[pumpster]

Not saying anything was fixed but come on, maybe Dorian sucked a lot of Dick and not just uncle Joes, maybe all the judges wanted their great white hope to win

Just the easy ones..

Columbu 1981, the bricklayer multiple years

I give you the 6-time "winner" with "perfect scores".


The real question's how many times NerD will bump this to keep it alive.

[johnny1]

Of course all we can do here is debate and speculate, so good observation  .
That reminds me of a pretty cool and interesting statement Dorian made in Flex a while ago, something along the lines of how he was told so many times by many people that his physique was ugly, unsymetrical and undeserving of many of his O wins, but at the end of the day he still had his Olympia trophies to comfort him  .
I guess plastic trophies are more important to him than the legacy that his peers and the fans that drive the sport have of him and his questionable O reign  .

To be fair mate, i think Dorians Legacy is more than safe, and the Majority of Dorians peers have respect for what Dorian had done for his time...of course @ THE TIME they competed against him alot of them had negitive stuff to say...thats HUMAN nature no one likes coming second... just as was the case against RONNIE...with Flex in 1999 @ the O outcome, Jay @ the 2001 ) and Kevin in 2002 etc...talk to that same Blokes now and they are pretty much saying Ronnie is the Greatest of all time etc... im thinking mayby its more likely among the BB FANS etc...where opionons are more diverse about WHO was better.  

[ASJChaotic]

yes, and he deserved to win overall.

but that is not what is being discussed here.

its the method used to come to that conclusion that is in question.

ie the judges were going to score dorian without even bothering to compare him to his competitors in the muscularity round.


hence, partial judging in favor of dorian.

period.

hulkster check out my 18' inch arms and tell me if they look better than dorian yates's 
FUCK YOU DORIAN  
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=234088.new#new

[Hulkster]

The voters decide nothing.

The ones who count the votes decide everything.

good point.

the result has to get past Uncle Joe/Uncle Ben first.

the judges could have had dorian in third for all we know, but we only see the 'adjusted' score sheets with dorian getting perfect, courtesy of Uncle Joe and Uncle Ben?

that could explain everything..

[onlyme]

The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?" 

Its impossible to fix a contest anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of the way contests are judged , well you're not ignorant anymore what excuses are you left with now?

You need to get out more.

[just_a_pilgrim]

The show can be fixed by the judges being told what to look for.

This happens in Pumping Iron 2, Ben Weider tells the judges they should mark down anyone showing extreme musculinity. Tell me that's not fixing.

It's like at the 2007 Mr.O where the judges were told to vote for the guy who was the biggest and softest in the show and to award extra points if they lost definition from a fucked up injection. Anyone displaying a great structure and crazy hardness wasn't to be compared to them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Just the easy ones..



I give you the 6-time "winner" with "perfect scores".


The real question's how many times NerD will bump this to keep it alive.

Thanks for proving my point and not being able to respond to this at all , stick to crying about race you're go at that