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aliamini

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What about Jay's "friends" saying Jay doesn't use insulin anymore? You saw the thread on promuscle. BS?

dont believe the hype

Even though if true … The damage was already done







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Good job bro Ali  :)

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  The reason why Jay lost is simple. There are basically two ways Jay could have won: he could come super-shredded at 245 lbs like he was at the 2001 Olympia or blow them away with sheer size by coming around 275 lbs.

  In my opinion, the first strategy would be very risky for Jay. Why? Because he would be only slightly bigger than guys like Dex that have much, much higher muscle quality and symmetry than he does. Jay is very shitty when trying to go for cuts and symmetry at the expense of size because other bodybuilders are simply much better at a lighter weight than he is. However, if he showed up like he looked at the 2001 Olympia, he might have won. If Jay had gone for size and came close to 280 lbs, his symmetry and muscle quality would be terrible, but his sheer muscular development would have assured him the win.

  In conclusion, Jay lost because he went for neither strategies. Instead of coming shredded at 250 lbs or humongous at 280 lbs, he came in at a soft 262 lbs. That is, he had neither the muscle quality he had at the 2001 Olympia nor the sheer mass he had at the 2006 Olympia. By trying to come in big and shredded, he lost both properties and with it the Olympia crown. The end.

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You sound like some sort of FLEX magazine columnist who turns a blind eye to bodybuilding PEDs. Note OP requested guru information not some sort of BS looking at lbs and 'shredded' and 'big'.

Come on suckmymuscle I have read your posts in the past you are capable of much more.

suckmymuscle

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You sound like some sort of FLEX magazine columnist who turns a blind eye to bodybuilding PEDs. Note OP requested guru information not some sort of BS looking at lbs and 'shredded' and 'big'.

Come on suckmymuscle I have read your posts in the past you are capable of much more.

  Honestly, I am just giving my opinion on why Jay lost. Why did he win in 2006? Because Coleman had a teared left lat and Jay overwhelmed the other guys with sheer mass. Why did he defeat Coleman in both the symmetry and muscularity rounds at the 2001 Olympia? Because he was shredded to the bone and his symmetry was at it's best because the decreased weight made his waist smaller. This year, he wasn't big enough or cut enough.

  What do you expect me to say? That he lost because his body isn't responding to steroids well anymore? Even if true, it boils down to how the physique looks, and if the steroids aren't working anymore this is evaluated by looking at the physique.

  My opinion is that he lost not due to physical decline caused by inability to train or because drugs aren't working as well as they used to on him; I think it boils down to what he did during his pre-contest. He tried to go both for size and cuts and it didn't workl, producing a physique that wasn't overwhelming in size nor shredded enough. Jay could have won by coming a very soft but very full 280 lbs or a small but shredded 250 lbs, but not by coming in soft without having a huge size advantage over the other guys. Jay at a soft 260 lbs was simply not bigger enough than a super-shredded Dexter to compensate for the huge advantage Dex had on him in terms of symmetry and conditioning.

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Plain and simple: PALUMBOISM. Arms and legs are getting smaller and smaller, Torso waist and hips bigger and bigger.

It seems to happen to all the Top guys sooner or later. To some earlier in their 30s (like Jay), to some later in their 40s (like Ronnie).

Palumboism isn't curable or reversible yet. It only seems to happen to the real mass monsters. Some guys on moderate doses who never played the "Size, no matter what" game like Vince Tayler are even in their 50s not affected from Palumboism.
palumboism is bullshit. Look at Yates, you people talked all that shit about guts and this and that. now Yates is not on contest regimen anymore and looks relatively good (trim waist, etc).
reduce/ stop the drugs and mega eating and things return to normal.

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Too many drugs and too much very heavy leg work ruining his already wide waist. It would do him good to take 3-4 months off of training and the drugs completely and then build back up for next years Olympia with 12-15 reps on upper body and never below 20 for his legs. This is his only chance to compete with the new regime of shapely, symmetrical physiques. If he doesn't complete transform his physique he and his era are finished.
Hahahaha! This cowboy got it down to how many sets and REPS he needs to be successful. I've seen it all now!



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Hahahaha! This cowboy got it down to how many sets and REPS he needs to be successful. I've seen it all now!



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he must be huge and lean.

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Nerve damage or impingement.
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Nerve damage or impingement.

Too many needles going in certain body parts could cause nerve damage and "kill" them. What do you think?

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Too many needles going in certain body parts could cause nerve damage and "kill" them. What do you think?
have you ever hit a nerve while pinning? you cant jab a nerve over and over, much less more than one time.