Is Obama a Marxist, Communist, or Socialist?

[Soul Crusher]

Dude, who said anything about "punishing" Big Business?? All Big Business is being asked to do is to stay out of politics, pay its fair share in taxes and clean up its own mess. Is that "punishing" Big Business??

Asking anyone to pay more taxes in a bad ecomonic environment is punishing.

Also, the govt should clean up itsd own mess since it is mostly to blame for this mess and starting the tsunami of bad loans defaulting.

Dodd, Frank, Raines, Bush, should all share a cell for what they did in this mortgage mess.

[Slapper]

Asking anyone to pay more taxes in a bad economic environment is punishing.

Also, the govt should clean up itsd own mess since it is mostly to blame for this mess and starting the tsunami of bad loans defaulting.

Dodd, Frank, Raines, Bush, should all share a cell for what they did in this mortgage mess.

Wow, wow, hold on now!

Who is going broke here, Big Business because their finances are shit or the government? If memory serves me right, it is the government (hence you and I) BAILING OUT Big Business. And not viceversa.

Companies don't go broke because people don't pay their mortgages, they go broke because they've structured their businesses in such a half assed way that any small crisis will throw out their numbers. The victim of choice nowadays is the mortgage business, but I'd really like to see an independent study done on the matter in order to be able to say that yes, the mortgage business debacle was the precursor and the cause of the crisis. Look at what happened with the internet bubble: Was it people that brought down all these companies or just a handfull of idiots funding even more idiotic ideas (which eventually culminated in people losing all trust in the internet sector)?

By the looks of it, I doubt it. I'd say that it's mostly getting caught with your pants by your ankles, in an economic sense of course.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The gov in the US is The People.  The people have budgetary needs--bills to pay.  The people have a national interest in having those bills paid.

It's no wonder economic imbeciles like Reagan and Bush are elected and re-elected by people like you.  In your world, there is no responsibility for debt.  So the US ends up living like welfare queens on maxed out credit.  NOw is that prudent?  Is that wise?  Or is that simplistic head-in-the-sand selfishness?
Tax and spend v. borrow and spend.  Which one costs more?  Why it's borrow and spend and that is hallmark of the REagan/Bush model of economics.  That's horrible for America.
I've never seen a case of projection as bad as yours.  The 'elite' you refer to are likely the elected politicians mandated by our constitution comprising a democratic republic...a democratic republic which serves THE PEOPLE.  So do you have a problem with America?  It sure looks like you do.

Conservatism is not concerned with accountability at all.  If by 'conservatism' you mean the last 30 or so years of republican economics.  Borrowing and spending the US into debt largely owned by the REd Chinese and Japanese is not responsible.  Trickle down economics is a free lunch....if it worked, which it doesn't.  If by 'accountability' you mean the politicians's fidelity to their constituency, then you shouldn't be complaining.  You got your fucking tax cuts, you got your foreign war expenditures, you got your big business bailouts....what the hell are you complaining about?  Just look at what your economic choices have wrought on this country.

And how do you respond to that recipe for failure?  Let's do it again with McCain!

The gov't is supposed to be controlled by the people.  That's accountability.  You're fooling yourself if you think that the politicians in DC are as concerned about remaining in office as they should be.  You're right that most Americans are too dumb to know who should be elected.  That's exactly why liberals keep getting elected.

You're whole post makes the assumption that I said we should pay for the debts which we incur.  I never said anything close but typical liberal talks without knowing anything.  WE ALREADY PAY A GREAT DEAL OF TAXES.. especially the "evil" rich.  A, we're not getting our moneys worth because gov't is so massive and wasteful, and B, democrats continually want more and more out of the pockets of the American people to expand the waste and the bureaucracy. 

You obviously have no concept of conservatism.  We should pay as little taxes to the gov't as necessary to supply the debts we incur nationally and locally AND those debts should be controlled with accountability.  That's it.

And here comes Obama to do all the worst of everything only to benefit himself, his causes, and the everlasting and all-knowing US gov't thanks to people like you. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

You have to have some of the biggest balls in the history of ball-making to say something like this. Although I must admit it astonishes me every time I read it, it is a weapon in the arsenal of the ignorants: The poor are poor because they want to be poor.

I guess that peels away any ethics and removes any humane barriers that may pose a threat to the profit-at-all-costs crowd. Once you make such a stupid point I guess what follows is of the "the rich are rich because they want to be rich" caliber.

"The poor are poor because they want to be poor."

Good job, moron. 

The poor are poor because they are stupid with their money.  Hmm... maybe you fall into this category?

[Hugo Chavez]

marxist Leninist, it's the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Wow, wow, hold on now!

Who is going broke here, Big Business because their finances are shit or the government? If memory serves me right, it is the government (hence you and I) BAILING OUT Big Business. And not viceversa.

Companies don't go broke because people don't pay their mortgages, they go broke because they've structured their businesses in such a half assed way that any small crisis will throw out their numbers. The victim of choice nowadays is the mortgage business, but I'd really like to see an independent study done on the matter in order to be able to say that yes, the mortgage business debacle was the precursor and the cause of the crisis. Look at what happened with the internet bubble: Was it people that brought down all these companies or just a handfull of idiots funding even more idiotic ideas (which eventually culminated in people losing all trust in the internet sector)?

By the looks of it, I doubt it. I'd say that it's mostly getting caught with your pants by your ankles, in an economic sense of course.

The govt started this mess by encouraging the banks to give out bad loans.  They made it worse when Fannie and Freddy bought these liar loans and sold them off to other banks.

Who ran Fanny and Freddy?  Democrats like Raines, Gorelick, johnson.

Who did they donate to:  Obama, Dodd, etc.

Who carried their water in the congress?  Dodd, Frank, etc.

The stupid banks are to blame for bad decisions, yes, but they did not create the problem.  They made a bad problem worse.   

[w8tlftr]

Sounds like a pretty bad future eh?   BUSH sucked, McCain Sucks, Obama sucks.

These asshats are a product of US. We make them - the public.

Fuck the public.

Fuck hope.

[Tre]

Obama is a socialist.

Bush is a communist.

McCain is trying to be a populist.

[Decker]

The gov't is supposed to be controlled by the people.  That's accountability.  You're fooling yourself if you think that the politicians in DC are as concerned about remaining in office as they should be.  You're right that most Americans are too dumb to know who should be elected.  That's exactly why liberals keep getting elected.

The politicians are accountable to their consitituencies:  They bring home the bacon.  Fed. Spending means more jobs.  The people love more jobs.  That gets them to vote.  You just don't like that fact.  It's the people, not the system.

You're whole post makes the assumption that I said we should pay for the debts which we incur.  I never said anything close but typical liberal talks without knowing anything.  WE ALREADY PAY A GREAT DEAL OF TAXES.. especially the "evil" rich.  A, we're not getting our moneys worth because gov't is so massive and wasteful, and B, democrats continually want more and more out of the pockets of the American people to expand the waste and the bureaucracy. 

67% of amercian large corporations pay ZERO in taxes.  In fact, they get money back due to creative accounting.  ZERO in taxes.  The income tax a wonderfully divisive tax b/c the true blue bloods make their money in capital gains and not earned income.  The right wingers, such as yourself, exploit this by claiming those in the top marginal bracket are not rich.  And you are correct to an extent.  To get a truly fair share of tax from the plutocrats, a wealth tax should be implemented.

I know what you mean by accountability.  It's not accountability to the people.  It's accountability to BrixtonBulldog and his demagoguery.  I'm sorry if the people do not share your extreme rightwing beliefs when it comes to gov. spending, but they don't.  If you don't like it, vote and create a coalition to change the tax system.

Government is not automatically wasteful ipso facto.  Gov. is much more efficient than private business in many administrative respectes--especially SS administration compared to private insurers.  The gov. is huge.  Bigger than most could imagine.

You obviously have no concept of conservatism.  We should pay as little taxes to the gov't as necessary to supply the debts we incur nationally and locally AND those debts should be controlled with accountability.  That's it.

Oh my god.  Now you sound like the "true socialism has never been tried yet" crowd.  I follow the Burkean idea of what a conservative is or should be.  I have no idea from what think tank sewer you dredge your interpretations. 

We have accountability.  The politicians bring home federal spending which means jobs.  The people love jobs.  So they vote the politician back into office to bring home more federal spending.  I think your problem lies with the selfish, irresponsible People.

And here comes Obama to do all the worst of everything only to benefit himself, his causes, and the everlasting and all-knowing US gov't thanks to people like you. 

The worst of everything....  Yeah, b/c stopping an illegal war/occupation or guaranteeing insurance for the uninsured are  really examples of Obama's self-serving exploitation of the american public.

[big L dawg]

[y19mike77]

If fed spending means more jobs then we should have more jobs in this country then in the history of mankind.


A wealth tax....
Your out of your mind. I am not wealthy by any means. But I do not think anyone should have to pay anymore then anyone else. A certain % of your pay is fair. Being punished for being successful is crazy.

And when it comes to Universal health care. I am against pretty much any social programs. Its not yours or my responsibility to provide anyone else with anything in any sitituation.
Its a decision we should be able to make on our own.

But if your so convinced why dont you start picking up some randem bums up, and start paying for there health insurance. Maybe it will catch on, but I doubt it.

As for you saying the govnt is efficient I would like to believe you are joking.

[Soul Crusher]

If fed spending means more jobs then we should have more jobs in this country then in the history of mankind.


A wealth tax....
Your out of your mind. I am not wealthy by any means. But I do not think anyone should have to pay anymore then anyone else. A certain % of your pay is fair. Being punished for being successful is crazy.

And when it comes to Universal health care. I am against pretty much any social programs. Its not yours or my responsibility to provide anyone else with anything in any sitituation.
Its a decision we should be able to make on our own.

But if your so convinced why dont you start picking up some randem bums up, and start paying for there health insurance. Maybe it will catch on, but I doubt it.

As for you saying the govnt is efficient I would like to believe you are joking.

The same fools who complain that the government screwed up Katrina, Iraq, etc somehow think that the govt can get health care right. 

The ignorance and lack of understanding history by these fools is just amazing.  The govt screws up EVERYTHING it touches and some reason these people beg for more. 

[Slapper]

The govt started this mess by encouraging the banks to give out bad loans.  They made it worse when Fannie and Freddy bought these liar loans and sold them off to other banks.

Who ran Fanny and Freddy?  Democrats like Raines, Gorelick, johnson.

Who did they donate to:  Obama, Dodd, etc.

Who carried their water in the congress?  Dodd, Frank, etc.

The stupid banks are to blame for bad decisions, yes, but they did not create the problem.  They made a bad problem worse.   

Banks have gone through problems like these for centuries on end. The only problem is that banks were not "forced" or "encouraged" to do anything. In fact, banks have lobbyed FOR YEARS for the regularization of the industry, and I suspect making money available to low-income families was one of the trade-offs. Now, this does not take away from the fact that banks should've had some type of internal mechanism in place to avoid what is now happening. And insinuating that Clinton and the rest of the democrat's intention was to throw the "banks to the wolves" by encouraging loans to high-risk individuals or families is just preposterous.

In fact, back in the mid to late 90s banks made out like banshees with these risky loans. The housing market went through the roof, people were buying houses, fixing them up and putting them back in the market after 1-2 years. Meanwhile the banks were collecting interest-only money for years on end. Until the gravy train stopped and they got caught with their pants by their ankles.

[Slapper]

The same fools who complain that the government screwed up Katrina, Iraq, etc somehow think that the govt can get health care right. 

The ignorance and lack of understanding history by these fools is just amazing.  The govt screws up EVERYTHING it touches and some reason these people beg for more. 

The government = The People. What Big Business means when saying "the government is inefficient" is that you and I are inefficient. That should be a RED FLAG.

In fact government IS NOT inefficient. It should also be noted that those who run on the "government is inefficient" slogan usually end up doubling the size of government. That should also be another RED FLAG. The bullshit factor if you will.

Government is indeed inefficient... the way conservatives run it of course. Which is sort of like opening the hen house and letting all the foxes in, the way they do it of course.

And by the way, the very same "inefficient" crowd just bailed out the "efficient" crowd. You connect the dots. Don't ask me for help.

I tell you, some people... 

[headhuntersix]

First offf Cons are NOT running the government.....Bush is in no way a Coonservative. The answer is not allowing dipshits like the guys who drove Fannie/Freddie and Leman Brothers into the ground, to now run our government. All those guys were Dems and advise Obama. Good job Barry.

[Soul Crusher]

The government = The People. What Big Business means when saying "the government is inefficient" is that you and I are inefficient. That should be a RED FLAG.

In fact government IS NOT inefficient. It should also be noted that those who run on the "government is inefficient" slogan usually end up doubling the size of government. That should also be another RED FLAG. The bullshit factor if you will.

Government is indeed inefficient... the way conservatives run it of course. Which is sort of like opening the hen house and letting all the foxes in, the way they do it of course.

And by the way, the very same "inefficient" crowd just bailed out the "efficient" crowd. You connect the dots. Don't ask me for help.

I tell you, some people... 

Oh I forgot - which states are in the worst shape in this country???  The ones run by who??

Californria, NJ, NY, MI, etc are all high tax states all in the whole because they are run by socialists like Bush, Pelosi, Obambi, Corzine, et al.   Bush is no conservative. 

He is DAMIEN THORN!!!!!!!!!

[headhuntersix]

Stop with the facts.......

[y19mike77]

Its not your money you greedy slob.  There should be a across the board flat tax the same for everyone.  The more you make the more you pay period.  no deductions, no credits,.  10 or 15% of your income and thats it.

The same govt that can run the Iraq War or Katrina, cant run health care or anything else for that matter.

The govt caused this financial mess by its stupid social engineering and is only going to make matters far worse by taxing the people who create jobs more.

You liberals amaze me.  You complain about big business, want to punish them, etc etc, yet beg for more jobs and expect them to pay you more.  Well how can they more in salaries and wages if you want to take more of their income away?.   

Well said

[Slapper]

Oh I forgot - which states are in the worst shape in this country???  The ones run by who??

Californria, NJ, NY, MI, etc are all high tax states all in the whole because they are run by socialists like Bush, Pelosi, Obambi, Corzine, et al.   Bush is no conservative. 

He is DAMIEN THORN!!!!!!!!!

"Worst shape"? What in the world are you talking about?

New York, California and Jeisy are amongst the most advanced states, IN EVERY SENSE, in the world.

[y19mike77]

Real life facts to libs is like garlic to vampires.

[Slapper]

Real life facts to libs is like garlic to vampires.

Sure, if your facist kind would tell me what what "worst shape" means... Saying that which 3333386 said is really nothing you shuld be proud of. If I were a republican I would'n back his comments.

[Slapper]

Median household income:

States ranked by median household income in order
Median Household Income by State: 2007 [1]

Maryland – $68,080
New Jersey – $67,035
Connecticut – $65,967
Alaska – $64,333
Hawaii – $63,746
New Hampshire – $62,369
Massachusetts – $62,365
California – $59,948
Virginia – $59,562
Minnesota – $55,082
Washington – $55,591
Colorado – $55,212
Utah – $55,109
Nevada – $55,062
Delaware – $54,610
District of Columbia – $54,317
Illinois – $54,124
Rhode Island – $53,568
New York – $53,514
Wyoming – $51,731
United States of America – $50,740
Wisconsin – $50,578
Vermont – $49,907
Arizona – $49,889
Georgia – $49,136
Oregon – $48,730
Pennsylvania – $48,576
Michigan – $47,950
Florida – $47,804
Texas – $47,548
Kansas – $47,451
Indiana – $47,448
Iowa – $47,292
Nebraska – $47,085
Ohio – $46,597
Idaho – $46,253
Maine – $45,888
Missouri – $45,114
North Carolina – $44,670
North Dakota – $43,753
Montana – $43,531
South Dakota – $43,424
South Carolina – $43,329
Tennessee – $42,367
Oklahoma – $41,567
New Mexico – $41,452
Louisiana – $40,926
Alabama – $40,554
Kentucky – $40,267
Arkansas – $38,134
West Virginia – $37,060
Mississippi – $36,338
Puerto Rico – $17,741

Democrat states are doing baaaaaad man!

You do da math.

[Decker]

First offf Cons are NOT running the government.....Bush is in no way a Coonservative. ...

Is Obama considered a Coonservative?

[OzmO]

It's funny seeing all these "conservatives" lugging BUSH.  A year ago they wouldn't be. 

[big L dawg]

It's funny seeing all these "conservatives" lugging BUSH.  A year ago they wouldn't be. 

no doubt.. you know they all voted for him