post workout nutrtion and what i saw in videos

[Fatpanda]

Maybe I'm a hard-gainer, but I have never in my life been able to gain 2.7kg of muscle mass within 10 weeks while losing fat. But maybe I misunderstood something.

you don't believe in pre/post workout supplementation either 

but......perhaps that info ( exactly the proof you asked for) + the loads of positive comments on this thread + countless positive comments by people all over the internet + countless studies that back up pre/post workout supplementation = enough to convince you to at least try it yourself  and not ignore the overwhelming evidence.

[wavelength]

you don't believe in pre/post workout supplementation either 

but......perhaps that info ( exactly the proof you asked for) + the loads of positive comments on this thread + countless positive comments by people all over the internet + countless studies that back up pre/post workout supplementation = enough to convince you to at least try it yourself  and not ignore the overwhelming evidence.

As I said, I have tried, and it made no difference for me. I give you credit for coming up with a study. I really wasn't aware of that one actually exists. See other thread for what I think about it.

[The ChemistV2]

Well, I used to drink a whey isolate shake after training and also vitargo (carb source), did notice a little extra fullness. But now with the Whey hydrolosate after training, I'm holding more muscle while dieting down than before. I assure you that in the next few months, Hydrolyzed whey will be the new hot supplement. The protein is already enzymatically reduced to Micropeptides and requires virtually no digestion. The nitrogen retention is way beyond whey isolate per gram of protein.

[Pete Nice]

do you have the link to where you found the product?

Doesnt Dave Palumbo put out a similar product??

[The ChemistV2]

do you have the link to where you found the product?

Doesnt Dave Palumbo put out a similar product??

Here is some info. I order it from Amazon.com mainly because I buy everything from them.
http://www.bnrg.com/faq.htm

[The ChemistV2]

More info. It's the only protein powder I've used that doesn't bloat my stomach as well. I don't know if Palumbo makes a similar one or not.
http://www.bnrg.com/protowhey.htm

[Pete Nice]

thanks man, I might have to check out the price on Amazon and give it a shot

[tbombz]

www.trueprotein.com has high grade Hydrolyzed Whey Protein for only $10.79 per lb. 



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[Pete Nice]

hahaha...thanks dizzle

how's that stuff taste?

[Fatpanda]

hahaha...thanks dizzle

how's that stuff taste?

better than that 'other' protein he's been swallowing recently   

[NaturalWonder83]

wow! thank u for all the help guys!

im always wondering about somethings
i used to mix my whey isolate w/ waxy maize but then i learn that that defeats whole purpose of waxy maize-so after reading lots! i began having my waxy and leucine and bcaa rigfht post workout then half hour i have whey isolate shake


and pete nice-dave palumbo make isolyze whey isolate shake-i use and its very tasty-good yield too-27g protein in 29g scoop!

[The ChemistV2]

hahaha...thanks dizzle

how's that stuff taste?

Believe me, if you get regular hydrolyzed whey, it's the worst tasting stuff you've ever drank. As far as I know, Proto Whey is the only company that has a process of flavoring it so that it tastes good. But if you find another one that tastes decent, let me know.

[The ChemistV2]

Here is what the trueprotein website says about their Hydrolyzed Whey.  If you want to save a few bucks and try and choke it down..go ahead.

Warning with our High Grade, this protein possesses a very bitter taste, that is definitely not for the faint at heart.  You may want to order this separately to gauge how much you are effected by the taste. But remember, the benefits far out way the 2 minutes of the bad taste in your mouth.

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[Hippocrates1985]

Very good topic and issue.

We all will wait to Ali Amini to come back in November to discuss this issue with Fatpanda.

We all want to know the truth about nutrition and supplement.

Thank to all of you Ali and Fatpanda.     

[Fatpanda]

Very good topic and issue.

We all will wait to Ali Amini to come back in November to discuss this issue with Fatpanda.

We all want to know the truth about nutrition and supplement.

Thank to all of you Ali and Fatpanda.     

[aliamini]

I had some free time last night so I decided to clear this issue:

Facts:

If you eat 3 meals a day and train then introduce a protein shake post workout … you will likely to get more muscular after a period of time … the reason is not post workout shake … it is the increase in the amount of protein intake per day … That is how people get muscular and regular athlete should take in 1g/lbs of body mass (or lean body mass) body builders tend to take more according to their goals

If you eat 5-6 meals a day they will be abut 3 hours apart … which will keep nutrients constant and in the blood … and with blood sugar at a balanced level through out the day it will be very hard for the body to release cortisol … cause usually when it is time for your other meal you still haven’t fully digested the previous meal … and that is exactly what happens during training … while you should train 1 ½ - 2 hour after a meal you will still be digesting that meal while you are training … meaning you will not lack any nutrient to release cortisol … however when you wake up in the morning and slept for like 8 hours and didn’t eat for 9 or so … this is when you have cortisol released … yet if you had a very big meal the night before … you wont get cortisol and you will wake up and feel your stomach is still full of food …

This is all for a person who is eating right … not only if he thinks he is eating right but rather an actual correct bodybuilding diet … and that is usually excludes fructose and lactose … cause the body cant use either of them as a course of energy …

For sustaining protein synthesis BCAA, Lucien or the more potent HMB should be used … increasing amount of protein will only lead to increase in BUN (blood urea nitrogen) & uric acid to name a few … however HMB at a sufficient amount has proven to reduce not meaning it hold the protein synthesis cause BUN is the protein waste … meaning less BUN indicates less protein has been broken down

Studies:

As I said before … plus … you should know the complete diet of the subject whom have been tested … if 200lb guy thinks he is athletic and doctors tell him so … while he eats only 100g protein per day … he will definitely make gain when take an additional 100 post work out or for that matter any time of the day … has anyone done a study on a person who actually eats 6 balanced meals … and not just by saying that but by actually posting his diet … and then carry on the actual test??? Most of the people who think the are eating right they don’t … and amount and type through out a day is more important that timing … once they achieve that … then you they should try to try different thing with timing and certain types of supplements

My recommendation:

First of all try to make you diet right and eat sufficient amount of protein ... and take out all the fructose and lactose from your diet … then if you want to have a shake post workout then fine … but keep in mind post workout shake is different that during workout shake … and if you are actually looking to loose body far you should stop the glucose and all the fast acting carbs + limit the amount of total carb that you eat … glucose tends to bloat you stomach and make it very hard to trim body fat … so in this case you figure what is the best choise for a post work out … they shakes were designed for people who cant eat … so when you have the appetite and can eat … why go for a shake … again the protein and carb will be constant if you diet is right

Take a protein shake with fast acting carb post workout:

When you stop training … it’s the beginning of the end of your super blood flow and pump … so if you were to take a fast acting carb with creating and some form of amino acids … that should have been done when your blood flow was at its peak … so best timing for that would be ½ way through your workout … that is the time when your red blood cells are rushing in your muscle carrying oxygen and all types of nutrients … so that is the ultimate time (which actually is logical and makes sense) to take the fast acting carb … the next meals time has already due by end of your training and you still haven’t digested you previous meal  completely … so it wont be an issue if the post workout meal took some time to digest … beef itself take around 24 hour to completely digest and get stored … so if you are eating beef and chicken every day … again with a proper diet and sufficient amount of total carb and protein for your goal … you will be sake

I am not here to prove anything ... I just want everyone to makes use of the info as I am not marketing any brand or franchise … but read with an open mind and don’t get hypnotized by ads or studies that has been done years ago or by people who think just cause they are doctors they know everything … again the experiment subject are a big part in that … just cause some one is good at a sport or muscular doesn’t mean he is eating right or know what he is doing

DX

[Hippocrates1985]

yet if you had a very big meal the night before … you wont get cortisol and you will wake up and feel your stomach is still full of food …

What do you think about those who are saying the we should mix whey protein with skim milk to have a casein protein which talk time to digest during sleeping time? Do you this milk is just for babies?     

take out all the fructose and lactose from your diet

Can you be more specific about what you mean by fructose and lactose? Do you mean that we can't have a banana after workout ??

post workout shake is different that during workout shake

Can you give us more info about the difference? Do you believe in during workout shake like Milos does?

so best timing for that would be ½ way through your workout … that is the time when your red blood cells are rushing in your muscle carrying oxygen and all types of nutrients

What's exactly gonna go to your muscle? as you said the whey protein takes 40 min to completely digest. I did not get it.

Thanks bro Ali