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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2008, 09:32:38 AM »
Watch your f ucking mouth or I'll bash your skull in.

Why?


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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2008, 09:35:07 AM »
Border Officers keep our borders safe. It is illegal according to American Law for military personnel to take on civilian police action unless directed by the President, Governor in a time of crisis or by Congress.

Haven't you learned by now - For the past eight year the whole legal illegal thing is a gray area?

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2008, 09:35:40 AM »
Border Officers keep our borders safe. It is illegal according to American Law for military personnel to take on civilian police action unless directed by the President, Governor in a time of crisis or by Congress.

The problem in this day and age is the Border Officers are powerless in shooting gang members and drug dealers coming across. We should do what Ted Nugent wants to do. If someone comes across to do harm to American Citizens, we have every right to shoot them. We also, need to finish the Border fence and quit pussy footing around with it.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 09:36:49 AM »
Exactly thanks for supporting my post.  What does that tell you about our troops and defense.  What do you think keeps our borders safe and not have any wars fought here.  We have bases overseas to keep the countries that support us stronger and to keep the countries who don't support us in check.  Honestly you are not that dumb.  I take it your post was sarcastic.

Troops fight for our economic way of life.

We live richer because they can twist arms all over the world.

But we have a wide open border.  Terrorists don't come in thru the border.

We war as a business because it's big business.  Not for our safety.  If they were worried about the borders, as you claim, we would have bases there.  We do not.

Honestly, we had a president warn us about the influence of military companies.  A guy by the name of Eisenhower.  He said they planned on warring for business, a sustainable military machine for profit, not peace and prosperity.  And he was right.  

You're not a dumb guy, Keith.  Surely you don't think we need tens of thousands of troops in Japan still, do you?  ;)

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2008, 09:37:33 AM »
8 years, U.S Army.
I knew many service members from other branches that were top notch. Most of the ones that were not so sharp were non-intelligent getting fazed out. Most of the higher up Non-Commissioned officers were in the Army because sometime in the 70's and early 80's, the judge told them to go to the Army or go to Jail. They didn't want to the latter, so they joined the Army. Those days were pretty much over when I joined.

Believe it or not, the standards have lowered since you left. 

During my time (Navy), I had the opportunity to work for and with many men and women who were in the military for the purpose of having a comfortable and secure 'government job'. 

Yes, some of our best and brightest are members of the armed forces, but they are far from the majority. 

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2008, 09:37:51 AM »
typical repub fox news skewing of facts...


I suppose.....Its technically not misleading but would give the automatic impression that the military supports McCain more than Obama and that may be true.....

However, you won't know from a poll in the Military Times....if you wanted a somewhat more accurate poll, I would suggest THE MOST POPULAR MILITARY PUBLICATION which is Stars and Stripes.


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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2008, 09:38:24 AM »
The problem in this day and age is the Border Officers are powerless in shooting gang members and drug dealers coming across. We should do what Ted Nugent wants to do. If someone comes across to do harm to American Citizens, we have every right to shoot them. We also, need to finish the Border fence and quit pussy footing around with it.

That would be pointless and wasteful. See Below:
Illegal immigration has completely grinded to a halt.

Growth of illegal immigration population grinds to a halt

By Mike Swift
Mercury News
Article Launched: 10/02/2008 06:30:19 PM PDT


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    * Pew study on unauthorized immigration

Since 1990, the nation's population of illegal immigrants has increased every year. But a new report by an influential think tank says that the growth of the undocumented population has stopped — at the same time a new federal estimate indicates that the growth of California's undocumented population has also come to a sudden halt.

The report released Thursday by the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington, D.C., also found that the number of newly arriving illegal immigrants no longer outnumber the number of arriving legal immigrants, reversing a trend that lasted from 1998 through at least 2004.

Because illegal immigration is so hard to measure, the Pew study was unable to say whether the change is more the result of increasing numbers of people deciding to return to Mexico and other home countries, or fewer people deciding to immigrate illegally to the United States.

The study's authors do say, however, that the slowing economy, coupled with more aggressive enforcement of immigration laws and borders, are two possible reasons why the growth has stopped.

The Pew report is consistent with a new U.S. Department of Homeland Security report, as well as anecdotal evidence such as the reduced remittances workers are sending back to Mexico. The evidence suggests that the surge in illegal immigration in California and the rest of the nation during the 1990s and most of this decade has stopped.

"This was a population that had been
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growing rapidly and substantially for the past 15 years, and the growth has essentially come to a halt in 2008," said Jeffrey S. Passel, the Pew Hispanic Center's senior demographer and co-author of the report.

As of March, an estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States, the report said. That means that undocumented immigrants still make up 4 percent of the U.S. population, and there are 40 percent more of them than in 2000.

But the Pew report said the size of the unauthorized population appeared to have declined slightly since 2007. That finding, however, is inconclusive because the estimates are based on statistical sampling with a significant margin of error.

"It's possible that the down economy can be either discouraging people from staying or discouraging them from coming in," said D'Vera Cohn, senior writer for the Pew Research Center and the report's co-author. "It's possible that enforcement issues are making people feel less secure.'"

A second Pew report released Thursday found that the economic slowdown is hitting both legal and illegal immigrants hard. Median household income for non-citizen immigrants was down 7.3 percent from 2006 to 2007. Among citizen households, median income was up 1.3 percent.

"The current economic slowdown, which one can trace to the end of the housing boom in late 2006, is taking a much greater toll on non-citizen immigrants" than on U.S. citizens, said Rakesh Kochhar, associate research director for the Pew Hispanic Center.

In California, the illegal population isn't growing either. The homeland security report estimated that California had 2.8 million illegal immigrants in January 2007, nearly the same population the agency estimated for January 2006. The federal report pegged the nation's illegal population at 11.8 million people in January 2007 — roughly consistent with the Pew estimates.

In the Bay Area, local immigrant rights groups say they haven't detected a drop in the number of undocumented immigrants. But other evidence suggests there could be a state or national drop. The Bank of Mexico reported this week that Mexicans living in the United States sent home 12 percent less money in August 2008 than they had the previous August. The $300 million drop was the largest percentage decline on record since the central bank began tracking remittances in the late 1990s.

And newly released 2007 Census information suggests the illegal population could be dropping in other parts of California. The foreign-born population — the Pew report estimated that 30 percent of the nation's foreign-born population is undocumented — declined in more than a dozen California counties from 2006 to 2007, although not in Santa Clara County.

The biggest drops were in San Diego and Imperial County, the two California counties that border Mexico.

And while California still has more illegal immigrants than any other state, its share of the nation's undocumented population is dropping — from 30 percent of the nation's total in 2000 to 24 percent in 2007 — as immigrants spread out across the country, according to the homeland security report.

The Pew report also found that:

# Four of five illegal immigrants are from Latin American countries, with about 59 percent from Mexico. Twelve percent are from Asia.

# About 40 percent of the nation's illegal immigrants — or 5.3 million people —have arrived since the decade began.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2008, 09:40:00 AM »
yo coach "let us win"
what the hell are you gonna win exactly?  :D
what is your WAR against?
Terrorism?  ::)
A CONCEPT  :o
not a group of people or a country
you have a war against a CONCEPT
like the Russians in Afghanistan you're getting your ass kicked by a bunch of normal people who have no military
better pull out before you completely embarass yourself infront of the whole world and your economy fails
.....oooops...too late  :-\

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2008, 09:40:14 AM »
Border Officers keep our borders safe. It is illegal according to American Law for military personnel to take on civilian police action unless directed by the President, Governor in a time of crisis or by Congress.

It's the presence we have around the world that makes it difficult or impossible for the countries that don't like us to attack combined with our troops we have here.  If we took out every military base we have around the world and solely had military bases here do you think we could defend our country better.  Cause I sure think stopping or preventing attack on the US abroad is alot better than sitting back and letting them come at us first.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2008, 09:41:58 AM »
It's the presence we have around the world that makes it difficult or impossible for the countries that don't like us to attack combined with our troops we have here.  If we took out every military base we have around the world and solely had military bases here do you think we could defend our country better.  Cause I sure think stopping or preventing attack on the US abroad is alot better than sitting back and letting them come at us first.
ya you're real powerful
you shit your pants and didn't do shit after Russia invaded georgia went into it's capital and showed you what real power is
US military is so stretched that it can't even defend itself anymore

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2008, 09:43:26 AM »
yo coach "let us win"
what the hell are you gonna win exactly?  :D
what is your WAR against?
Terrorism?  ::)
A CONCEPT  :o
not a group of people or a country
you have a war against a CONCEPT
like the Russians in Afghanistan you're getting your ass kicked by a bunch of normal people who have no military
better pull out before you completely embarass yourself infront of the whole world and your economy fails
.....oooops...too late  :-\

brutal truth.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2008, 09:45:04 AM »

There are no troopers like Patton anymore:



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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2008, 09:46:53 AM »
brutal truth.
sorry my mistake
War for Oil
not against terrorism
terrorism= excuse to invade countries that can't defend themselves without having the world blame you for it
and take their oil
terrorism= what the US government is doing, "terrifying" the US citizens with bullshit
terrorism= 9/11 being a planned inside job
terrorism= sending toxic letters to politicians that are against you and blaming "terrorists"

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2008, 09:49:11 AM »
sorry my mistake
War for Oil
not against terrorism
terrorism= excuse to invade countries that can't defend themselves without having the world blame you for it
and take their oil
terrorism= what the US government is doing, "terrifying" the US citizens with bullshit
terrorism= 9/11 being a planned inside job
terrorism= sending toxic letters to politicians that are against you and blaming "terrorists"

Epic Truth.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2008, 09:49:49 AM »
There are no troopers like Patton anymore:


lets face it
US soldiers are not real soldiers
I have a friend who was in the Israeli army and he laughs at them
he says "hizbullah has soldiers, US troops....they are not soldiers, they are economic dependents"
couldn't have said it better myself
Being a soldier means fighting for a belief that you have and for that you would die
this is how Afghanistan defeated Russia and broke it's empire into pieces
BRAVERY, BELIEF, something people would die for

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2008, 09:50:15 AM »
There are no troopers like Patton anymore:




One hell of a MAN.....

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2008, 09:51:20 AM »
bullshit they do

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2008, 09:51:30 AM »

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2008, 09:51:46 AM »
lets face it
US soldiers are not real soldiers
I have a friend who was in the Israeli army and he laughs at them
he says "hizbullah has soldiers, US troops....they are not soldiers, they are economic dependents"
couldn't have said it better myself
Being a soldier means fighting for a belief that you have and for that you would die
this is how Afghanistan defeated Russia and broke it's empire into pieces
BRAVERY, BELIEF, something people would die for


If they are not Real Soldiers then I suggest you pick up a weapon and show them how it is done.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2008, 09:55:01 AM »
If they are not Real Soldiers then I suggest you pick up a weapon and show them how it is done.
tell me who is a better soldier
the person who would die for his country because he wants to defend his own beliefs and meaning of life
or the person who gets paid a big check but in actuality wants to be home eating pizza and watching the football game?

this is how Afghanistan beat Russia
rocks and slingshots vs the most powerful military in the world
in the end it's all about whose purpose is better

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2008, 09:56:14 AM »


Not many getbiggers will understand this.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2008, 09:57:20 AM »
tell me who is a better soldier
the person who would die for his country because he wants to defend his own beliefs and meaning of life
or the person who gets paid a big check but in actuality wants to be home eating pizza and watching the football game?

this is how Afghanistan beat Russia
rocks and slingshots vs the most powerful military in the world
in the end it's all about who your beliefs

I can tell you from experience, Soldiers don't get big checks. Soldiers are in the Army because they want to serve, not because they want to eat pizza and watch a football game. I am sorry but you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one.


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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2008, 09:58:22 AM »
believe me, if there was something that I'd risk my life for and die I'd do it
If someone broke into my house with a knife I'd risk my life for my mom, dad, sisters, and my girlfriend who I love the most in the whole world
but do you think that the agenda of the guys who want to rule the world and have a one world government and take over all the oil in the world is a good reason to put your life on the line for and DIE for?



 ::)

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2008, 10:06:11 AM »
believe me, if there was something that I'd risk my life for and die I'd do it
If someone broke into my house with a knife I'd risk my life for my mom, dad, sisters, and my girlfriend who I love the most in the whole world
but do you think that the agenda of the guys who want to rule the world and have a one world government and take over all the oil in the world is a good reason to put your life on the line for and DIE for?



 ::)

agenda of the guys who want to rule the world and have a one world government and take over all the oil in the world


Are you talking about our government or are you talking about the Islamic Extremist that want to take over the world? I ask this because I would certainly sign up again if I knew Islamic Extremist were going to try and take over our country as we know it, even if it not the best of times now.

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Re: Troops Support McCain 3-1
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2008, 10:17:50 AM »
tell me who is a better soldier
the person who would die for his country because he wants to defend his own beliefs and meaning of life
or the person who gets paid a big check but in actuality wants to be home eating pizza and watching the football game?

this is how Afghanistan beat Russia
rocks and slingshots vs the most powerful military in the world
in the end it's all about whose purpose is better

Afghanistan had a lot of money & such from the US.