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« on: October 22, 2008, 08:53:54 AM »
Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate

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Posted: October 21, 2008
9:22 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Philip J. Berg

Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.

Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.

In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

"Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."

 

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Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC – accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal documents that establish his citizenship.

Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.

"It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."


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Re: Obama Admits Kenyan Birth...
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 08:56:11 AM »
im hungry, i could eat a fucking truckload of hamburgers.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 08:56:48 AM »
"Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."

Quite an admission there. Good reporting Coach.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 08:58:30 AM »
you're stretching and it's getting pathetic :-[
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 08:58:34 AM »
im hungry, i could eat a fucking truckload of hamburgers.

Me too. But I'd like Bacon Cheeseburgers instead.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 08:59:08 AM »
desperate and reaching for straws ... just like the whole pathetic rep party. led by the retard in the whitehouse

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 08:59:17 AM »
It's Mombas(s)a! The guys who write your articles are as atrocious at spelling as you are.  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 09:04:34 AM »
The State of Hawaii has examined his birth certificate and announced this year that it is real, Joe.

He's ignoring this because it's not worth dignifying with a response.

Please talk about the issues - the economy, the war, and our nation's future.  This petty bullshit - like the 20th time you bring up his birth certificate or the 90th time you bring up some bad guy who bloew up a bomb when obama was 8 years old... it makes us think you're hiding from real issues because you know mccain (who admits he voted with bush 90% of the time) is weak.


BTW, did you know that 34% of Americans are worried that Palin isn't competent to be VP?  This eclipses concerns about Mccain being similar to bush (only 23%).

Palin is Mccain's biggest downfall right now.  Americans don't believe she is qualified.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 09:06:26 AM »
The State of Hawaii has examined his birth certificate and announced this year that it is real, Joe.

He's ignoring this because it's not worth dignifying with a response.

Please talk about the issues - the economy, the war, and our nation's future.  This petty bullshit - like the 20th time you bring up his birth certificate or the 90th time you bring up some bad guy who bloew up a bomb when obama was 8 years old... it makes us think you're hiding from real issues because you know mccain (who admits he voted with bush 90% of the time) is weak.


BTW, did you know that 34% of Americans are worried that Palin isn't competent to be VP?  This eclipses concerns about Mccain being similar to bush (only 23%).

Palin is Mccain's biggest downfall right now.  Americans don't believe she is qualified.

Well Coach believes that him ignoring the issue is admitting guilt.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 09:11:17 AM »
with bush 90% of the time) is weak.


BTW, did you know that 34% of Americans are worried that Palin isn't competent to be VP? 


only 34%  :o what a shocking statistic.

i can't believe there is a single american that feels she is competent.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 09:11:21 AM »
Well Coach believes that him ignoring the issue is admitting guilt.

Mccain is a smart man, and very capable of being a fierce president.

I think he's been misled into following the 2000 and 2004 republican candidate game plan.  You know, the Rovian politics of smear and dirt?  Thanks to youtube and blogs, big lies can be proven instantly, and people don't forget things like they used to.

McCain wanted to choose Lieberman, and his campaign made him choose palin.
McCain wanted to stay away from Wright and Ayers, and his campaign ran with it anyways.
McCain wanted to run a clean campaign, but his campaign ran dirty ads early.
McCain wanted to distance himself from Bush, but his campaign made him stay on message with white house.

McCain is a great man and would be a solid leader.  The problem is this - how do we know he'll be an independent man in the office, if he can't even run his own campaign?  Rememeber that quote from an advisor "John Mccain does not always speak for the positions of the mccain campaign".  That was weird.

Joe, Mccain is a hero who is letting himself be led down an obsolete negative path.  He could get on TV tomorrow and call the Bush Presidency a bucket of shiit, and forbid any mention of Ayers and Wright, and deliver an economic plan that doesn't let rich people get the same hookups they got for the last 8 years (as his definitely does.)  He'd win the election if he did this.

Instead, he'll keep calling obama a socialist, a communist, etc.  he'll keep doing what the stringpullers say.  And he won't win.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 09:12:25 AM »
Mccain is a smart man, and very capable of being a fierce president.

I think he's been misled into following the 2000 and 2004 republican candidate game plan.  You know, the Rovian politics of smear and dirt?  Thanks to youtube and blogs, big lies can be proven instantly, and people don't forget things like they used to.

McCain wanted to choose Lieberman, and his campaign made him choose palin.
McCain wanted to stay away from Wright and Ayers, and his campaign ran with it anyways.
McCain wanted to run a clean campaign, but his campaign ran dirty ads early.
McCain wanted to distance himself from Bush, but his campaign made him stay on message with white house.

McCain is a great man and would be a solid leader.  The problem is this - how do we know he'll be an independent man in the office, if he can't even run his own campaign?  Rememeber that quote from an advisor "John Mccain does not always speak for the positions of the mccain campaign".  That was weird.

Joe, Mccain is a hero who is letting himself be led down an obsolete negative path.  He could get on TV tomorrow and call the Bush Presidency a bucket of shiit, and forbid any mention of Ayers and Wright, and deliver an economic plan that doesn't let rich people get the same hookups they got for the last 8 years (as his definitely does.)  He'd win the election if he did this.

Instead, he'll keep calling obama a socialist, a communist, etc.  he'll keep doing what the stringpullers say.  And he won't win.

Rob, I agree with all you say. In fact I had a great deal of respect for McCain...until Palin was picked as his VP.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 09:12:42 AM »
only 34%  :o what a shocking statistic.

i can't believe there is a single american that feels she is competent.

only 40% of Americans believe she is competent, if I recall.

This poll (NBC/WSJ) was about voters' biggest concern with choosing mccain.  It USED to be age, or he's too much like Bush, etc.  Not anymore.  A third of them say Palin is their biggest concern.  They don't mind he's a 72 year old Bush clone with a spend happy war motto.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 09:14:32 AM »
only 40% of Americans believe she is competent, if I recall.

This poll (NBC/WSJ) was about voters' biggest concern with choosing mccain.  It USED to be age, or he's too much like Bush, etc.  Not anymore.  A third of them say Palin is their biggest concern.  They don't mind he's a 72 year old Bush clone with a spend happy war motto.

I'm surprized it's that high. I absolutly dread listening to her speak...let alone answer questions (if you can call it that).

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 09:14:48 AM »
Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate

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Posted: October 21, 2008
9:22 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Philip J. Berg

Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.

Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.

In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

"Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."

 

(Story continues below)

     


Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC – accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal documents that establish his citizenship.

Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.

"It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671


They haven't responded to him because they know that once a judge sees it, they'll throw it out.  

He's already shown his birth certificate and Hawaii has confirmed it.  Its a null issue.

The only reason its not been thrown out is because a judge hasn't even seen it yet.  Courts are clogged up these days.... :P
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Re: Obama Admits Kenyan Birth...
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2008, 09:19:03 AM »
The State of Hawaii has examined his birth certificate and announced this year that it is real, Joe.

He's ignoring this because it's not worth dignifying with a response.



Please do not tell me you think because Hawaii says its real that means its real.  Sometimes you surprise me.  You have no idea how Hawaii works.

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Re: Obama Admits Kenyan Birth...
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2008, 09:20:26 AM »
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

You can see it here, it's from Hawaii and the state validated its authenticy early this year when requests came in.

I listen to Rush and Hannity daily, and they're throwing dirt nonstop about this, and a lot of other non-issues.

What they don't realize is that people care about their wallets, their 401k, and their kids in Baghdad right now.  They don't care about garbage attacks like this.

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Re: Obama Admits Kenyan Birth...
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2008, 09:21:33 AM »

Please do not tell me you think because Hawaii says its real that means its real.  Sometimes you surprise me.  You have no idea how Hawaii works.

Tell us how it works.

What you have right now is a conspiracy theory.  And a poor one at best.  You have zero evidence it is a false document.  Make it interesting for us - show us why it's fake.  You must know more about legal documents than a State does.  So spill it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2008, 09:22:10 AM »
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

You can see it here, it's from Hawaii and the state validated its authenticy early this year when requests came in.

I listen to Rush and Hannity daily, and they're throwing dirt nonstop about this, and a lot of other non-issues.

What they don't realize is that people care about their wallets, their 401k, and their kids in Baghdad right now.  They don't care about garbage attacks like this.

Because that stuff isn't exciting to their main audience...but Obama being a Muslim-terrorist-from Kenya is.

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2008, 09:23:02 AM »
Tell us how it works.

What you have right now is a conspiracy theory.  And a poor one at best.  You have zero evidence it is a false document.  Make it interesting for us - show us why it's fake.  You must know more about legal documents than a State does.  So spill it.

Maybe Keith is an expert on Hawaiian birth certificates.

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2008, 09:23:41 AM »
watched the movie "senator obama goes to africa" on linktv the other day. damn good film. i love barack and michelle. they are wonderful.

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2008, 09:28:10 AM »
Not very intelligent are you?

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2008, 09:40:29 AM »
Tell us how it works.

What you have right now is a conspiracy theory.  And a poor one at best.  You have zero evidence it is a false document.  Make it interesting for us - show us why it's fake.  You must know more about legal documents than a State does.  So spill it.

Hawaii has a population smaller than most major cities.  It is small.  It is run by a few.  If they want something done they get it done.  Pull your head out of your ass.  Hawaii is run on corruption.   The union runs that state.  Obama is there boy cause he went to school there.  Of all the people who pull out conspiracy theories you are the worst ever.  You have to think outside the box and realize no matter how much you love Obama he might have done some things wrong. 

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Re: Obama Admits Kenyan Birth...
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2008, 09:41:59 AM »
So you have no evidence?  Just "a US state is lying"?


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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2008, 09:43:37 AM »
So you have no evidence?  Just "a US state is lying"?

Seems to sum it up.