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Redistribution of Wealth
« on: October 26, 2008, 09:45:27 PM »
A 2001 Chicago Public Radio Interview, Obama is discussing  redistribution of wealth.




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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 09:57:56 PM »
republicans redistribute our wealth by stealing via government contracts, war, tax credits, etc...

Sarah Palin helped push through  a windfall profit tax in Alaska that was redistributed to every man, woman and child in the state


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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2008, 10:23:34 PM »
Here's an old show of Politically Incorrect, where a Socialist Party candidate discusses raising the taxes of people making over 250,000 a year. I thought the reaction he gets is pretty interesting considering the current discussions going on today. Starts at 4:40.




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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2008, 11:19:12 PM »
The man is a fucking Communist , will he ever understand that the government job isn't to redistribute the wealth?  ???


Bump for you Democrats who keep denying!

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 01:58:42 AM »
Here's an old show of Politically Incorrect, where a Socialist Party candidate discusses raising the taxes of people making over 250,000 a year. I thought the reaction he gets is pretty interesting considering the current discussions going on today. Starts at 4:40.






this show was good back in the day

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 02:18:45 AM »

Democrats keep quiet when they see facts....sad  :-\

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 04:00:59 AM »
The man is a fucking Communist , will he ever understand that the government job isn't to redistribute the wealth?  ???

Bump for you Democrats who keep denying!

Yeah, the government has failed if it STEALS (it's a capitalist society after all) in either direction (from poor to rich [i.e. bailing out banks] or vice versa). Tax bands should be calculated on cost to society etc, rather than straight revenue bands.
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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 05:35:26 AM »
Democrats keep quiet when they see facts....sad  :-\
Could you point to one form of government that does not redistribute income/wealth?  Just one.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 05:37:18 AM »
Yeah, the government has failed if it STEALS (it's a capitalist society after all) in either direction (from poor to rich [i.e. bailing out banks] or vice versa). Tax bands should be calculated on cost to society etc, rather than straight revenue bands.
In the USA, the government has a constitutional duty to implement taxes and collect those taxes. 

I don't know where you get this nonsense about stealing.  That's just rightwing drivel.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2008, 05:42:10 AM »
In the USA, the government has a constitutional duty to implement taxes and collect those taxes. 

I don't know where you get this nonsense about stealing.  That's just rightwing drivel.

It is drivel if you misunderstood or I didn't make it clear.

The tax payer having increased tax to bail out banks is stealing, and vice verse. Taxation is not, and it is a requirement for a modern society.
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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 05:45:37 AM »
It is drivel if you misunderstood or I didn't make it clear.

The tax payer having increased tax to bail out banks is stealing, and vice verse. Taxation is not, and it is a requirement for a modern society.
I do apologize to you then.

This whole 'taxes are stealing' crowd gets under my skin.  Even Palin said paying taxes is not patriotic....which is nothing but a tangent of the former argument.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2008, 05:47:04 AM »
Believing taxation equals stealing certainly is retarded.
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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2008, 05:50:38 AM »
The man is a fucking Communist , will he ever understand that the government job isn't to redistribute the wealth?  ???


Bump for you Democrats who keep denying!

What these fools dont understand is that when you take money from rich people to give it to poor people who did not earn it, the end result is that both will be poor and both wont be working. 

The economic ignorance of ZERO is just amazing. 

Giving poor people more money who did not earn it in the name of fairness will only result in their squandering it and result in shared poverty for all.

That is the liberal dream, like Lenin and Stalin, shared povery for all.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 05:54:00 AM »
What these fools dont understand is that when you take money from rich people to give it to poor people who did not earn it, the end result is that both will be poor and both wont be working. 

The economic ignorance of ZERO is just amazing. 

Giving poor people more money who did not earn it in the name of fairness will only result in their squandering it and result in shared poverty for all.

That is the liberal dream, like Lenin and Stalin, shared povery for all.
I have many many links that show welfare and soc. sec. do in fact work.  And they work quite well.


Where's your proof that shared poverty for all will happen if anti-poverty programs are implemented.  Just look at the US's modern history with anti-poverty programs.  You couldn't be more wrong in your conclusion.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 05:58:09 AM »
I have many many links that show welfare and soc. sec. do in fact work.  And they work quite well.


Where's your proof that shared poverty for all will happen if anti-poverty programs are implemented.  Just look at the US's modern history with anti-poverty programs.  You couldn't be more wrong in your conclusion.

Ok, go to Chicago, ZERO's home turf, and tell me that welfare and liberal policies work.  Chicago is the murder capital of the USA, worst schools in the nation, and in rubble.

What did ZERO ever do about any of this???  NOTHING!

Taking from producing people in the name of fairness and giving it away to others does not work.  Its theft by any other name and will only result in shared poverty.
   

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 06:46:35 AM »
Ok, go to Chicago, ZERO's home turf, and tell me that welfare and liberal policies work.  Chicago is the murder capital of the USA, worst schools in the nation, and in rubble.

What did ZERO ever do about any of this???  NOTHING!

Taking from producing people in the name of fairness and giving it away to others does not work.  Its theft by any other name and will only result in shared poverty.
   
I wasn't aware that Obama was czar of Chicago.

Socialistic wealth redistribution is what made this country a world power.  Laissez faire capitalism always takes the US to the brink of implosion until social redistribution saves the day.

It happened in the 1930s, it happened in the 1990s and now it will happen in 2008.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2008, 07:46:10 AM »
I have many many links that show welfare and soc. sec. do in fact work.  And they work quite well.




Respectfully disagree. We're still fighting the "war on poverty" and how many years has it been?

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2008, 09:19:19 AM »
I wasn't aware that Obama was czar of Chicago.

Socialistic wealth redistribution is what made this country a world power.  Laissez faire capitalism always takes the US to the brink of implosion until social redistribution saves the day.

It happened in the 1930s, it happened in the 1990s and now it will happen in 2008.

Obama is going to make Carter look good if he is elected.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2008, 09:36:11 AM »
Respectfully disagree. We're still fighting the "war on poverty" and how many years has it been?
The war on poverty has been pretty successful.

Social Security annually lifts some 13 million elderly people out of poverty.
http://www.cbpp.org/2-24-05socsec.htm

Over half the people on Welfare are off the welfare rolls within a year or two.

Time on AFDC         Recipients
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Less than 7 months   19.0%
7 to 12 months       15.2
One to two years     19.3
Two to five years    26.9
Over five years      19.6
source:  Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1994).


Remember, almost all welfare goes to mothers with children.  All federal welfare goes to women with children.   With children.

The historical evidence is clear: welfare reduces poverty, and the lack of it increases it. In the 1920s, fully half of all Americans could not make ends meet. Roosevelt's New Deal programs had reduced poverty to about 20 percent in the 50s. Johnson's Great Society reduced this to 11.1 percent by 1973. Since the rise of the corporate special interest system in 1975, individual welfare benefits have been shrinking, and poverty has been steadily rising, to over 15 percent today. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarepoverty.htm


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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2008, 09:37:06 AM »
"Believing taxation equals stealing certainly is retarded."

Of course, taxation is needed.  However, its the promise of opportunity and the ability to create wealth that made this country great.  We must balance the two.  
Its of primary importance to hold the gov accountable for its spending.  Government, on both sides of the isle, have taken great liberty with our money.  This whole Iraq war is such a disaster and IMO is one of the catalysts to our current economic crisis.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2008, 11:22:03 AM »
A 2001 Chicago Public Radio Interview, Obama is discussing  redistribution of wealth.





Good grief.  Can it possibly get any more clearer that this guy is all about "spreading the wealth around"?  He is bad news.  I sure hope the polls are wrong. 

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2008, 11:26:53 AM »
Good grief.  Can it possibly get any more clearer that this guy is all about "spreading the wealth around"?  He is bad news.  I sure hope the polls are wrong. 

What the cult followers dont want to believe and realize is that ZERO used the initial figure of 250k per year, however, once he gets in, between Reid and Pelosi, we all know that number will go far lower.

Also, by letting the Bush tax cuts expire, everyones rates are going to go up by default and thereby make any "tax cut" he pushes will be negligble at best and offset by the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

ZERO is truly a marxist.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2008, 12:25:15 PM »
Not to mention all sorts of other taxes will go up under Obama. Why aren't people talking more about the payroll, death, marriage, capital gains, and corporate tax increases?  They will affect all of us and I'm sure there's more comming.  He believes in a big strong 'fair' gov that makes more decisions for its citizens in the public and private sectors.
I also believe the 250K income tax line could easily be moved by unchecked left wing democratic  control.

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2008, 12:36:11 PM »
Under Obama's Plan, he'll:


Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.

Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.

Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.

Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.

Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.

Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.

Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.

http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 12:39:38 PM »
Good grief.  Can it possibly get any more clearer that this guy is all about "spreading the wealth around"?  He is bad news.  I sure hope the polls are wrong. 
Would you prefer more borrowing from the Red Chinese to pay our debts?

Does that sound like a good idea?

I know how you feel about 'spreading wealth around', are you just as concerned with spreading debt around too?

That's what we got with your fiscal conservative Bush--he more than doubled the national debt in a mere 8 years.  That's what McCain promises with his ridiculous tax cut policy.  More backloaded debt that our children cannot afford.