Say HELLO to the Freedom of Choice Act under a Pres. Obama

[Dos Equis]

I think it's an horrendous procedure.  Some people characterize it as just another medical procedure no different than removing a tumor.

Anyone who characterizes a second trimester abortion as "no different than removing a tumor" needs to crack a book and look at a few pictures. 

[Colossus_500]

So Obama is for abortion on demand under any circumstance?

Yep.  

[OzmO]

Yep.  

When did he say that?

[Colossus_500]

all those are late term/partial birth

No, but an abortion is no less of a tragedy than partial birth abortions.  Get real, bro!  

[y19mike77]

I am against abortion but I do believe in pro choice. If someone wants to be irresponsible that is there choice.
But I do think there needs to be a certain length of time when an abortion is no longer allowed.(very early in the pregnancy)

[Colossus_500]

When did he say that?

Please don't tell me you're getting down to semantics or explicit statements, bro?  Is that the road you're wanting to go down?

[Colossus_500]

I think it's an horrendous procedure.  Some people characterize it as just another medical procedure no different than removing a tumor.

Horrendous isn't the word, Deck.   

[OzmO]

Please don't tell me you're getting down to semantics or explicit statements, bro?  Is that the road you're wanting to go down?

I'm not spoiling for a fight C-500.

It's a simple question.   I'd like to see where he directly said:   I am for abortion under any circumstance including late term abortion.

Please try and show me in something that's not some long winded slanted op-ed piece.  There should be an easy quote/link you can find.

[y19mike77]

They ARE illegal.  But Sen. Obama has promised to retract that law, not to mention the other pieces of legislation that are anti-abortion (Mexico legislation prevents American tax money going to abortions in that country).  Even Planned Parenthood admits to this.  They're excited because they know that this will mean more taxpayer revenue for their organization. 

Good Grief, People!  Wake UP!!!  Do you even know what this guy's all about? 

Most do not know what he is about. Only that he promises to bring change.

The others who do know. live by a complete diff set of views on how life should be lived and how much the govt should be allowed to dictate your life to you.

[Option D]

I am against abortion but I do believe in pro choice. If someone wants to be irresponsible that is there choice.
But I do think there needs to be a certain length of time when an abortion is no longer allowed.(very early in the pregnancy)

me too...

[Decker]

Yep.  

Do you really believe that he can amend the constitution to make that happen?

If it were that easy, why wasn't abortion outlawed under the Bush administration (rubberstamp republican congress included)?

[Colossus_500]

I'm not spoiling for a fight C-500.

It's a simple question.   I'd like to see where he directly said:   I am for abortion under any circumstance including late term abortion.

Please try and show me in something that's not some long winded slanted op-ed piece.  There should be an easy quote/link you can find.

Ok, I'll find something for you. 

[y19mike77]

Decker, whats to stop him? dems will have full control.

[Dos Equis]

I'm not spoiling for a fight C-500.

It's a simple question.   I'd like to see where he directly said:   I am for abortion under any circumstance including late term abortion.

Please try and show me in something that's not some long winded slanted op-ed piece.  There should be an easy quote/link you can find.

That's what the Freedom of Choice Act does:  guarantee abortion under any circumstanced, including late term abortion.  Obama supports the Freedom of Choice Act.  

[Colossus_500]

Do you really believe that he can amend the constitution to make that happen?

If it were that easy, why wasn't abortion outlawed under the Bush administration (rubberstamp republican congress included)?

Deck, OzmO, you gotta read the article.  I'll find some more information and post it for you.  Might not be until later tonight.  

[George Whorewell]

Decker, whats to stop him? dems will have full control.

EXACTLY- That is the problem. If he is elected your going to see this country become another member of the EU. There will be no checks and balances because the dems will have complete and unfettered control. This clean sweep will potentially destroy the country. Whens the last time the dems had the presidency and both houses?

[Decker]

Decker, whats to stop him? dems will have full control.

2/3 support is still 2/3 support. 

If the republicans really believed abortion should be done away with, why didn't it happen under Bush?  He had both houses of Congress under his belt along with the SCT.  He had 90+% approval rating.

Why didn't he force the ban on abortion through if he held such an earnest and profound belief?

[Decker]

Deck, OzmO, you gotta read the article.  I'll find some more information and post it for you.  Might not be until later tonight.  

Thanks C-500

[y19mike77]

I dont think there should be a law banning abortion outright. There should be a law banning late term abortion.

The republicans did not have the kinda of control that the dems might end up with. If all goes the way it looks like it will. Republicans will not be able to stop much of anything.

[OzmO]

I dont think there should be a law banning abortion outright. There should be a law banning late term abortion.

The republicans did not have the kinda of control that the dems might end up with. If all goes the way it looks like it will. Republicans will not be able to stop much of anything.

It was the same way a few years ago, just in reverse.   I didn't see them do much.  I wonder how the dems will do.

[Decker]

I dont think there should be a law banning abortion outright. There should be a law banning late term abortion.

The republicans did not have the kinda of control that the dems might end up with. If all goes the way it looks like it will. Republicans will not be able to stop much of anything.

Late term abortions are already regulated by RvW.

If the Republicans couldn't ban abortion with a stranglehold on all three branches of government plus the overwhelming support of the people, what makes you think the democrats have a chance w/ their agenda?

[OzmO]

So C-500,  basically this is something you "think" will happen?

I don't see it changing.  People would be outraged.   

[Bindare_Dundat]

check it out..i dont support no abortion at all.. but i would say i did in order to watch you try to beat my ass...teh mal loves a good fight

Now as i dont support abortion of any of my potential kids..i am pro choice...

Partial Birth Abortions are a myth in the way 500 is trying to frame it..It happens but thats is the mothers health is at risk. Its not the kind of "i fucked up one friday night and let me get rid of this problem" abortion..Thats not the case..


But incase you want to make good on the threat...im in between LA and ATL  a lot...

Did you say you are going or are in medical school?

[Option D]

Did you say you are going or are in medical school?

im in medical school. Finishing my second year.

[Colossus_500]

Deck/OzmO, I'm still working on a list of the items that Sen. Obama has promised to Planned Parenthood money-machine business, but here's a direct quote from him in 2007 when he spoke in front of the organization.  These are HIS words, and NOT what I "think might happen": 

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.  That's the first thing that I'd do."  -- Senator Barack Obama, speaking to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, July 17, 2007

While I am doing that, I want to ask the two of you to answer this question for me.

Regardless of Sen. Obama explicitly claiming that he will support abortion under any circumstances or not, I want you to justify your argument as to why you believe he will not follow through on his promise.  How will you justify your vote for him should everything that I've told you will come to fruition?  You've both argued about the "atrocities" committed upon Iraqi war prisoners and their so-called "rights" that we Americans have.  What about the rights of the unborn?   Lacy Peterson received justice by way of her sicko husband, Scott, being imprisoned for life.  But, what about her unborn son?  Or was he merely a fetus.  I'm not sure if you guys have read my personal account of the first time that I saw the ultrasound of my first-born at only 8 weeks of life.  She was but a mere speck and a heartbeat.  No arms, legs, eyes, ears...no hint whatsoever that this was a child as we know it out of the womb.  At that very moment, I connected with my child.  A speck and a heartbeat, guys!  And I was immediately in love with her.  I can't even describe it.   And it's been since that very moment that I no longer can sit idly by as people argue over when life actually begins.   And to know that people want to back a potential president who has all but guaranteed that he will repeal virtually every law that has been put in place to protect the unborn truly sickens me.  You know I respect both of you personally.  But, I can't understand it.  The stance that Sen. Obama takes with this issue alone should be enough for you to reconsider why you would vote for him.  It's your right, nonetheless, to vote for him.  And I can respect that fact.