Author Topic: Video:405 for 24 on deadlift. IS this "lifetime natural" roiding? WHAT SAY YOU?  (Read 7962 times)

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What you know for a FACT??? So let me get this straight, you have been right there when he injected hormones into his arse??? I think not, so how do you know for a FACT that his is a user?
If you know what's good for you, "travisma," you won't ever question or directly address TA again, is this clear?

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405x24 is definetely doable as a natural.

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first off the guy is not natural one bit-----even without looking at the video its clear from his pic that he has used numerous cycles

I don`t have one. I can`t do 112 for 225.

and secondly damn it ADonis!!!!!!! why would you ruin one the greatest ongoing ownages in the history of getbig....you would have been 60yrs old and people would still have been talking about the 112 rep deadlift on here ;D ;D ;D

now what are you going to tell us...you dont use protein powder and eat McDonald's all day when dieting!!!!!!! Sacrilege !!!!!!!!!!!

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Very doable as a natural but the guy isn't even close to hormone free.

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He claims to be Natural and Posts on here as well.

Also, he competes in a "natural" organization,OCB, with a fella from a nearby gym.  The one he competes with is William Powell who also pretends to be a natural but I know for a FACT that he is not.  Mr. Powell also has won the NC NPC state show.   Clearly the OCB organization may be a joke based on Mr. Powell.

I find it all amusing.
he's about as natural as you ..

where's the 225x112 reps video ?

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I would spew puke from my gut with great force if I tried that. I am a skinny 6'4 with a fucked up back so dead lift is not my strong suit. I did see some kids in the gym the other day pulling 315 for reps, a couple of them were decent size, but one was no more that 150lbs, I thought it was pretty impressive, looking at this kid, I would have bet anything he couldn't pull 225 for 2.

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A bullshitter calls bullshit on someone who talks bullshit.... the irony ::)

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it is actually more common than you would think, but theres not one in every gym by any means. We have a guy in our gym that pulls 500 at 145lbs. There are so many variables though, its hard to say.

Also, I think he is probably natural for his shows, but dont believe that he is a lifetime natural.

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imo a natural 700 @ 198 is world class. Look at the results from the IPF worlds, and the gold medal deadlift is usually up around 770-800. And that's obviously with a suit.

A 700 lbs deadlift is very good, regardless of weight class.
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With that rep speed + straps + that small bounce at the bottom, 24@405 and natural is def. doable/believable.  

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I vote no on the natural claim, 700lb natural deadlift is World class at almost any weight, I took a look at a few 70's- early 80's Powerlifting results, and you can count the number of 700lbs pullers in the 198 pound and below classes on less than two hands.  The guys doing it were big names too, Mike Bridges, Vince Anello, etc....

The one caveat is using one of those x reps to 1 rep calculators. Dr. Ken Leistner's 407lbs x 23 is an example of this, while he was able to handle this weight for reps, he admitted his 1rm was only in the high 400's.

Some people are just good at high reps.   

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I vote no on the natural claim, 700lb natural deadlift is World class at almost any weight, I took a look at a few 70's- early 80's Powerlifting results, and you can count the number of 700lbs pullers in the 198 pound and below classes on less than two hands.  The guys doing it were big names too, Mike Bridges, Vince Anello, etc....

The one caveat is using one of those x reps to 1 rep calculators. Dr. Ken Leistner's 407lbs x 23 is an example of this, while he was able to handle this weight for reps, he admitted his 1rm was only in the high 400's.

Some people are just good at high reps.   

This is a true statement.  Opposite for me though.  I did pretty high weight but could not do lot of reps with semi heavy weight.  I just run out of gas.

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405x24 may only work out as low as a 550x1 deadlift or as high as maybe 650...possinle for a natural.

Burn2live is a natural and pulled 616lbs in a comp getting 660lbs a few inches off the ground...he would smoke 405x24 i think

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also i have repped 500lbs easily on the deadlift.

Enormous difference from 405 and 500. Deadlift is more strength endurance rather than simply strength

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Adam,

Whats with all the hate man? I saw this thread the other day after you posted a comment on my youtube video. I really don't care if you believe me that I am drug-free. That is your problem.  Why do you put limits on what you can achieve naturally?  I have been living a 100% bodybuilding lifestyle for about 8-10 years now. I never miss workouts/meals and supplement perfectly. Please go to my website and read more about me and look at all of my pictures through the years before you accuse me of drug use. 

I have been polygraphed many times and urine tested often.  I could post a scan of my drug test results fro my last show if you really would like LOL. I know you like to start trouble but please leave me out of your drama. I remember when you posted on OCB and I never had a problem with you (and still don't). In all seriousness if you want some tips or advice hit me up and I will be glad to help.  Stop limiting yourself because you are natural.

BTW for all those who care....my best deadlift is 545x7. I'm not a huge puller but do have good endurance. I have a pretty small joint frame so super heavy weights are hard for me.

Best,
Doug Miller
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A dignified response.

Props man...unreal physique

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Adam,

Whats with all the hate man? I saw this thread the other day after you posted a comment on my youtube video. I really don't care if you believe me that I am drug-free. That is your problem.  Why do you put limits on what you can achieve naturally?  I have been living a 100% bodybuilding lifestyle for about 8-10 years now. I never miss workouts/meals and supplement perfectly. Please go to my website and read more about me and look at all of my pictures through the years before you accuse me of drug use. 

I have been polygraphed many times and urine tested often.  I could post a scan of my drug test results fro my last show if you really would like LOL. I know you like to start trouble but please leave me out of your drama. I remember when you posted on OCB and I never had a problem with you (and still don't). In all seriousness if you want some tips or advice hit me up and I will be glad to help.  Stop limiting yourself because you are natural.

BTW for all those who care....my best deadlift is 545x7. I'm not a huge puller but do have good endurance. I have a pretty small joint frame so super heavy weights are hard for me.

Best,
Doug Miller
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Good post.

I don't get why TA and Sevastase are constantly starting these 'Is this Guy Natural?' threads.  I have a hunch that something went wrong when they tried gear, and now they have a huge grudge against anyone who has a decent physique.  (I'm sure Adonis says he's never used, but didn't he used to be a lot bigger?)

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many young Bbers come to message boards and tell the same lies they do in real life - that it's all about their hard work and dedication, etc.

They bullchit their way thru mayhem and bbing.com with no worries.  They report anyone who calls them liars.  We don't need that type of negativity.

Getbig keeps it real.  About once a month, we see a top state level physique come here talking about how he did it all with egg whites and stuff he bought from GNC.

Look, everyone at the top uses.  We don't care about that.  howard does, but the rest of us do not.  We do care if you piss in the wind and tell us its raining.


Just be a top bodybuilding - as you obviously are - and have a great career.  Don't get into a pissing match with anonymous folks on a board about how natty you are.  Judges read getbig, and they don't like to see that shit either.  Be a bodybuilder.  Not a liar.

Dont hate just because the Weider principles didnt work for you  >:(
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Adam,

Whats with all the hate man? I saw this thread the other day after you posted a comment on my youtube video. I really don't care if you believe me that I am drug-free. That is your problem.  Why do you put limits on what you can achieve naturally?  I have been living a 100% bodybuilding lifestyle for about 8-10 years now. I never miss workouts/meals and supplement perfectly. Please go to my website and read more about me and look at all of my pictures through the years before you accuse me of drug use. 

I have been polygraphed many times and urine tested often.  I could post a scan of my drug test results fro my last show if you really would like LOL. I know you like to start trouble but please leave me out of your drama. I remember when you posted on OCB and I never had a problem with you (and still don't). In all seriousness if you want some tips or advice hit me up and I will be glad to help.  Stop limiting yourself because you are natural.

BTW for all those who care....my best deadlift is 545x7. I'm not a huge puller but do have good endurance. I have a pretty small joint frame so super heavy weights are hard for me.

Best,
Doug Miller
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Like 240 said, anyone with eyes can tell you are a liar, maybe you can fool the uneducated general public but Im not sure why you bother to lie on here.

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Adam,

Whats with all the hate man? I saw this thread the other day after you posted a comment on my youtube video. I really don't care if you believe me that I am drug-free. That is your problem.  Why do you put limits on what you can achieve naturally?  I have been living a 100% bodybuilding lifestyle for about 8-10 years now. I never miss workouts/meals and supplement perfectly. Please go to my website and read more about me and look at all of my pictures through the years before you accuse me of drug use. 

I have been polygraphed many times and urine tested often.  I could post a scan of my drug test results fro my last show if you really would like LOL. I know you like to start trouble but please leave me out of your drama. I remember when you posted on OCB and I never had a problem with you (and still don't). In all seriousness if you want some tips or advice hit me up and I will be glad to help.  Stop limiting yourself because you are natural.

BTW for all those who care....my best deadlift is 545x7. I'm not a huge puller but do have good endurance. I have a pretty small joint frame so super heavy weights are hard for me.

Best,
Doug Miller
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www.corenutritionals.com

You disgust me.

The "perfect supplements" you take are hormones.

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Ok, Doug is very strong... and his physique is extremely impressive.  So I can see how some people might have some private doubts about whether he is juicing.  But I was laughing out loud at the guys who are soooo certain that he isn't natural!  If you ever saw him work out might find it easier to believe.

I am a friend of Doug's and he is one of the most intense, disciplined, determined men I ever met.  He pushes himself to the wall on every set, and he NEVER misses a workout: Not when he's sick, not when he is crashing on a project at his job and has to put in crazy hours at the office... never.  And he never misses a meal  He does take a LOT of supplements.... lol.  But he would be first to tell you that.  But no steroids, no hormones. He has too much self-respect to take that crap... never mind lie about it.  Again, if you knew him you would find this a little easier to believe.

By the way, I'm the one who shot the video.  In that same workout I pulled 315x18.  Not nearly as impressive, but on the other hand, I will be 42 next month and I've only been training regularly for less than four years. So Doug's set was impressive but hardly impossible for a natural.  I think some of you guys need to stop wallowing in jealousy and self-pity, get off the computer, and hit the weights a little harder!

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A 700 pull at 200 is a good lift,very good.I think you could be drug free and do it,but he looks pretty muscular for a drug free guy.Who knows,some guys are freaks.His strength is good but other natural guys are as strong its not off the charts.

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Is he a pro athlete, if so, what sport?

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I think everyone talking about the deadlift, and how much they themselves or some other guy at whatever bodyweight did, are missing the point. From the video, this guys condition and strength, are excellent, but within the realm of being natural.

It's the photos of him in contest shape that insults our intelligence. Maybe 240's analagy is a little off, but this guys physique would at least earn him a pro card in the IFBB 20 years ago.

Just the video = natural is well within reason

pics = some kind of hormones, maybe only legal ones, but some kind of "supplement" that would make him not clean.

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FREAKING AWESOME WORK DOUG!  MUCH RESPECT!!

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Let me make this easy:

a) It is possible to do naturally.  I have pulled 405 for 20 or 21 reps stiff-legged and I am clean at about 218 lbs.

b) The guy may or may not be clean, only he knows.  His look is possible clean in my opinion.  
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