Anavar gains results

[Rimbaud]

For me Anavar beats Winstrol in every area. Winstrol is a shit drug IME.

Different strokes for different folks. 

[DIVISION]

For me Anavar beats Winstrol in every area. Winstrol is a shit drug IME.

Anavar for me is about as effective as T-bol, which isn't saying much.

Winstrol is a huge performance drug for me.

I can "feel" Winstrol in my workouts.

It's a great anabolic for endurance days.........Legs.   



DIV

[WillGrant]

so what your saying is that increasing the dose made the drug more effective ?


hhhmmmmmmmmmm



 

With Var yes..
You cant compare it to other more "powerful" aas , it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)
So you still are wrong about all it takes to be on the Mr O stage is ramping doses 2,3,4,5,6 grams etc

[tbombz]

With Var yes..
You cant compare it to other more "powerful" aas , it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)
So you still are wrong about all it takes to be on the Mr O stage is ramping doses 2,3,4,5,6 grams etc

i never claimed anybody could be on the olympia stage. dont you remember my point on this , how i said i only think anybody can achieve pro SIZE, but not everybody could achieve pro QUALITY ?

i completely agree that only certain individuals can be pro and only a select few can be top pro and maybe one in a million mr. o...

but anybody could achieve that kind of size without enough time money knowledge and willingess to sacrifice health and social life

[WillGrant]

i never claimed anybody could be on the olympia stage. dont you remember my point on this , how i said i only think anybody can achieve pro SIZE, but not everybody could achieve pro QUALITY ?

i completely agree that only certain individuals can be pro and only a select few can be top pro and maybe one in a million mr. o...

but anybody could achieve that kind of size without enough time money knowledge and willingess to sacrifice health and social life

This is what you said

how do you know he has good genetics?


he could have went straight to mega doses and slin and in three years time anybody who goes straight to mega doses hard trianing and lots of food will beocme a monster... maybe if you know for a fact phil was only using minima amounts then you can say he has amazing genetics BUT you dont know.. phil could have average genetics...

The monster you were refering to was Phill Heath..

Here is what Hazbin said about your post.

ya, every person that did the same or more drugs as Phil looks as good or better than he does.  idiot

Yet again you are mouthing off about somthing you only pretend to know about..just my opinion though 

[tbombz]

lol.. will whay are you even arguing dude? i never said anybody could look as GOOD as a pro... and you know this..  my point was, and is, anybody could be the SIZE of an average pro.. (not a mass monster pro, but an average pro)..

how big is an average pro.. lets say for 5'10'' at 13 %bf ? probably about 275 ?  thats gonna be pretty dang easy for anybody to achieve tif they are training HARD eating BIG, being super consistant and dedictaed, and they know how to use bodybuilding drugs, and they do all of this for two or three years non-stop..

[WillGrant]

lol.. will whay are you even arguing dude? i never said anybody could look as GOOD as a pro... and you know this..  my point was, and is, anybody could be the SIZE of an average pro.. (not a mass monster pro, but an average pro)..

how big is an average pro.. lets say for 5'10'' at 13 %bf ? probably about 275 ?  thats gonna be pretty dang easy for anybody to achieve tif they are training HARD eating BIG, being super consistant and dedictaed, and they know how to use bodybuilding drugs, and they do all of this for two or three years non-stop..

Would just like to point somthing out to you..
First off you are 18yrs old,you can argue all you want that you are 19 but some "in the know" know you started gear at 17..
Now you absorb information quite well which is to be commended but all these studies you read about certain drugs etc have little or no bearing on what you espouse here because there has never been any long term studies done on bodybuilders let alone national level or even pro.

Majority here know you are FOS and all your information and "advice" you try to give is recycled from someone else..

I think Razor describes you best when he says

REAL world experience, which he has very little of. Book smart, YES! Experienced? FUCK NO!

Funny how he told you to STFU as well.

Again , just my POV..but like I have said to you before..sit down,listen and ask questions but stop giving out advice like you think you are a Vet.

[tbombz]

hahah... funny quote from 'razorripped' hahah       that guy is so easy to make meltdown.. and hes not dong it for shits and giggles either he truly is MELTING DOWN     



oh and well i guess i did try tren extreme prohormone for a month while i was 17.. and that was just a legal steroid.. so ya your right i did try roids at 17..

[tbombz]

oh by the way, where is that quote from ? i never read that one before.... was 'razor' talking about me in a thread i wasnt even present ?/ haha that would be CLASSIC

[Van_Bilderass]

it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)

Anavar is actually an approved treatment for low bodyweight in the United States! I'm too lazy to look at the PDR right now so can't remember the precise indication, but basically if you're underweight without any real illness you can get Anavar!

[MuscleMcMannus]

Leave the fucking Anavar for the chicks.  Get you some cheque drops and prednisone   You'll look like a little Benedikt Magnusson in a matter of days! 

Anavar can be very effective at high doses of say 50-80mgs.  It will definitely put you in an anabolic state and is great for strength.  Whether these two things lead to any muscle growth will depend on your diet and training. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Anavar is actually an approved treatment for low bodyweight in the United States! I'm too lazy to look at the PDR right now so can't remember the precise indication, but basically if you're underweight without any real illness you can get Anavar!

Anavar is the only anabolic steroid that is approved for people who simply weigh "too little." Kind of interesting. Here's the Oxandrin PDR indication:

INDICATIONS AND USAGE

Oxandrin is indicated as adjunctive therapy to
promote weight gain after weight loss following
extensive surgery, chronic infections, or severe
trauma, and in some patients who without definite
pathophysiologic reasons fail to gain or to maintain normal weight, to offset the protein
catabolism associated with prolonged
administration of corticosteroids, and for the relief
of the bone pain frequently accompanying
osteoporosis (See DOSAGE AND
ADMINISTRATION).

[DIVISION]

Anavar is the only anabolic steroid that is approved for people who simply weigh "too little." Kind of interesting. Here's the Oxandrin PDR indication:

That seems to be the clinical diagnosis of wasting.....

Deca is prescribed for that in Aids patients.



DIV

[Van_Bilderass]

That seems to be the clinical diagnosis of wasting.....

Deca is prescribed for that in Aids patients.



DIV

No, see the bolded part. "Without definite pathophysiologic reasons" = they are perfectly healthy but weigh too little. Oxandrin is the only steroid approved for this indication. HIV wasting could be included in the part before that - they can get infections etc.

[D-bol]

guys I am confused now 

I want to know If I take (20-40)gm per day of Anavar with no other kind of steroids and use my supplemants, how much of lean muscles would I be able to put in a period of 4 weeks..?

I am not planning to take any injectable steroids ever and I am not interseted in mass like I am in condition 

I am 5"8 and 156 Ibs ripped & shredded.

My dream is to be (175 -180) Ibs extera ripped & shredded.

Thanks a lot guys 

injectables are actually somewhat safer...and don't think that a cycle of injectable test, for example, will turn u into a mss monster (wish it was that easy)

[DIVISION]

No, see the bolded part. "Without definite pathophysiologic reasons" = they are perfectly healthy but weigh too little. Oxandrin is the only steroid approved for this indication. HIV wasting could be included in the part before that - they can get infections etc.

Wouldn't unspecified wasting fall in to that same category?

Seems like semantics to me......


DIV

[Captain Equipoise]

Anavar is a mild anabolic........not as strong as Winstrol.

It's more of a complementary anabolic, not something you would run alone.

I see it as candy to run on the side on Sustanon/Tren type cycle.

Other than that, it's useless for me.


DIV

That's cause your bodyfat is too high dude, diet down to <10% then give it a run.

[DIVISION]

That's cause your bodyfat is too high dude, diet down to <10% then give it a run.

Why would I do that?

That would hinder strength gains.

Remember, I'm not a bodybuilder, never was.......

I lift bodybuilders.   



DIV

[Captain Equipoise]

Why would I do that?

That would hinder strength gains.

Remember, I'm not a bodybuilder, never was.......

I lift bodybuilders.   



DIV

Obviously you understand anavar is more of a precontest/leaning out drug... you shouldn't be whining about it's lack of effects if you fail to utilize it properly   only real asset in using it for bulking is the crazy strength increase.

[DIVISION]

Obviously you understand anavar is more of a precontest/leaning out drug... you shouldn't be whining about it's lack of effects if you fail to utilize it properly   only real asset in using it for bulking is the crazy strength increase.

Of course I know it's a cutting anabolic.........

I still don't think it's worth much compared to drugs like Deca or Winstrol.



DIV

[Captain Equipoise]

Of course I know it's a cutting anabolic.........

I still don't think it's worth much compared to drugs like Deca or Winstrol.



DIV

When you factor in the sides, then the real beauty of anavar shines, sides from Winstrol are (imo) pretty harsh, sides from deca aren't as harsh as winny sides but more detrimental (ie. depression, deca dick, water bloat) to each their own I suppose, I personally don't like strong compounds I stick with the lighter time proven products like anavar, eq, test, winstrol
and tend to stay away from things like tren, anadrol, dbol, deca, halo, etc.

[DIVISION]

When you factor in the sides, then the real beauty of anavar shines, sides from Winstrol are (imo) pretty harsh, sides from deca aren't as harsh as winny sides but more detrimental (ie. depression, deca dick, water bloat) to each their own I suppose, I personally don't like strong compounds I stick with the lighter time proven products like anavar, eq, test, winstrol
and tend to stay away from things like tren, anadrol, dbol, deca, halo, etc.

Young EQ, you're a lightweight.......

Those baby anabolics are mere candy to a veteran like me.

I will be a Tren beast until the day I die.   



DIV

[BodyMachine]

Wouldnt a cycle of anavar only do more harm then good as far as gains? If it shuts one down and has little mass building qualities compared to Test, then in the period one is shut down he would loose all the gains that anavar put on. Am I wrong?

[tstmaniac]

Wouldnt a cycle of anavar only do more harm then good as far as gains? If it shuts one down and has little mass building qualities compared to Test, then in the period one is shut down he would loose all the gains that anavar put on. Am I wrong?

anavar doesnt really shut you down that hard bro...i have done anavar only cycles and have kept decent gains from them...

[alnassak]

anavar doesnt really shut you down that hard bro...i have done anavar only cycles and have kept decent gains from them...

How much did you gain bro ..?