Mormons taking over California?

[Dos Equis]

Yes, we have liberals here. Sorry to say.....

I don't mind liberals, but I do mind when a handful of judges overrule the will of the people.

[Hereford]

I don't mind liberals, but I do mind when a handful of judges overrule the will of the people.

Remember prop 187?

[Dos Equis]

Remember prop 187?

Yep, but it never really made its way through the courts from what I recall. 

[timfogarty]

I don't mind liberals, but I do mind when a handful of judges overrule the will of the people.

So was it wrong for the California Supreme Court to overturn miscegenation laws in 1948 and then the US Supreme Court to do the same in 1967 ?  Both overruled the will of the people.

Constitutional guarantees trump democratic majorities.

[Dos Equis]

So was it wrong for the California Supreme Court to overturn miscegenation laws in 1948 and then the US Supreme Court to do the same in 1967 ?  Both overruled the will of the people.

Constitutional guarantees trump democratic majorities.

Apples and oranges.  Race is an innate trait protected by the Constitution.  Lifestyle choices are always regulated by popular vote. 

[timfogarty]

Apples and oranges.  Race is an innate trait protected by the Constitution.  Lifestyle choices are always regulated by popular vote. 

how is who you fall in love with a lifestyle choice?

when did you choose to be straight?

[tu_holmes]

Apples and oranges.  Race is an innate trait protected by the Constitution.  Lifestyle choices are always regulated by popular vote. 

Race was not protected directly... Not until it was added as an amendment.

This country should always strive to increase personal liberty, not take it away... Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness right?

If someone's happiness comes in being married to the same sex, I'm afraid you're just being fascist if you try to ban it.

[Hereford]

Race was not protected directly... Not until it was added as an amendment.

This country should always strive to increase personal liberty, not take it away... Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness right?

If someone's happiness comes in being married to the same sex, I'm afraid you're just being fascist if you try to ban it.

So i think they should get rid of the mexi hoards that are sneaking into Cali. They lower the quality of life for everyone, are always in jail, and we'd all be a whole lot happier with a cleaner, crime free society.

Is that fascist?

[OzmO]

So i think they should get rid of the mexi hoards that are sneaking into Cali. They lower the quality of life for everyone, are always in jail, and we'd all be a whole lot happier with a cleaner, crime free society.

Is that fascist?

You think if mexicans weren't in cali we'd have a crime free society?   

I agree, there is an illegal immigration problem.   I think the bigger problem is we allow people to live in America who don't speak English and refuse to learn it.

[Hereford]

Of course not, I am mearly pushing the issue Tu is talking about.

He says that you are fascist if you obstruct someones happiness.

Who's happiness is most important?

[OzmO]

Of course not, I am mearly pushing the issue Tu is talking about.

He says that you are fascist if you obstruct someones happiness.

Who's happiness is most important?

Well then my x-wife is a fascist.   

[Dan-O]

Of course not, I am mearly pushing the issue Tu is talking about.

He says that you are fascist if you obstruct someones happiness.

Who's happiness is most important?

The obvious answer is, until the happiness of the lowest common denominator of society is guaranteed, no one is truly happy.

So we need to find ways to boost the self-esteem and ensure the happiness of illegal immigrants.  Giving them driver's licenses and welfare is a step in the right direction, but we need to do more for them.

[Hereford]

Yea, give me some free money for doing nothing but having kids and consuming every resource I could get my hands on. Hell, I'd be happy too...

[tu_holmes]

So i think they should get rid of the mexi hoards that are sneaking into Cali. They lower the quality of life for everyone, are always in jail, and we'd all be a whole lot happier with a cleaner, crime free society.

Is that fascist?

No, because they're not citizens of the United States... I'm talking about US Citizens... They should never have rights restricted.

Why would you compare what is written for citizens with non-citizens who have allegiance to a country other than the US?

[Dos Equis]

how is who you fall in love with a lifestyle choice?

when did you choose to be straight?

Who you choose to have sex with is a lifestyle choice.  I don't care who consenting adults choose to sleep with.  I don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors.

I chose to be straight when I was born with an X and a Y.

[Dos Equis]

Race was not protected directly... Not until it was added as an amendment.

This country should always strive to increase personal liberty, not take it away... Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness right?

If someone's happiness comes in being married to the same sex, I'm afraid you're just being fascist if you try to ban it.

Sexual preference isn't race. 

Everyone has the right to sleep with whichever consenting adult they want. 

If someone wants to use the government to legitimize lifestyle choices (and that's what this is all about), then people have the right to vote about it.  I guess we'll find out today whether the majority of Californians and Floridians are as fascist as the overwhelming majority of the country that has voted against homosexual marriage.  Maybe they'll agree, maybe they won't.  Seventy percent of the voters rejected it in Hawaii when it was on the ballot.   
 

[OzmO]

People were on the streets last night in force.


On both sides of prop 8.

[timfogarty]

Who you choose to have sex with is a lifestyle choice.  

you forget, prop 8 is about marriage.  no sex involved after that.

[Dos Equis]

you forget, prop 8 is about marriage.  no sex involved after that.

lol.  Not in my house!  lol 

[tu_holmes]

Who you choose to have sex with is a lifestyle choice.  I don't care who consenting adults choose to sleep with.  I don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors.

I chose to be straight when I was born with an X and a Y.

I disagree... Many scientific studies have shown that brain patterns in hetero vs. homosexual people are different... leading scientists to believe it's not a "choice".

Sexual preference isn't race. 

Everyone has the right to sleep with whichever consenting adult they want. 

If someone wants to use the government to legitimize lifestyle choices (and that's what this is all about), then people have the right to vote about it.  I guess we'll find out today whether the majority of Californians and Floridians are as fascist as the overwhelming majority of the country that has voted against homosexual marriage.  Maybe they'll agree, maybe they won't.  Seventy percent of the voters rejected it in Hawaii when it was on the ballot.   
 

There shouldn't be any reason to HAVE to legitimize it... Once again, the Christian right brings up an issue that shouldn't be, and then gets mad when someone tells them it's stupid to bring it up in the first place.

[big L dawg]

these freaks wear magic underwear nothing they say should be takin seriously.

[Buffgeek]

you forget, prop 8 is about marriage.  no sex involved after that.

Arent many laws regarding marriage built around the idea of family and the benefits of marriage in a society based on the family unit?

[Dos Equis]

I disagree... Many scientific studies have shown that brain patterns in hetero vs. homosexual people are different... leading scientists to believe it's not a "choice".

There shouldn't be any reason to HAVE to legitimize it... Once again, the Christian right brings up an issue that shouldn't be, and then gets mad when someone tells them it's stupid to bring it up in the first place.

I haven't seen any scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic. 

We are talking about abnormal behavior.  I suspect that's why many people, not just "the Christian right," have a problem with using the government to legitimize this lifestyle choice.  If "the Christian right" were the only ones opposed to this, we wouldn't see the overwhelming rejection by voters at the polls. 

Keep in mind that people include bisexuals, transsexuals, and transvestites under this umbrella.  Do you think those lifestyle choices are genetic too?   

[tu_holmes]

I haven't seen any scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic. 

We are talking about abnormal behavior.  I suspect that's why many people, not just "the Christian right," have a problem with using the government to legitimize this lifestyle choice.  If "the Christian right" were the only ones opposed to this, we wouldn't see the overwhelming rejection by voters at the polls. 

Keep in mind that people include bisexuals, transsexuals, and transvestites under this umbrella.  Do you think those lifestyle choices are genetic too?  

Yes I do actually... I also think that many people vote against it because of other reasons... I know a friend who voted against it because he said, "I don't care, but if it's legal HERE, then everyone will come HERE to do it, and he didn't want THAT for some reason."

[Hereford]

Certian BEHAVIORS should not be subject to governmental protection.