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Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« on: November 03, 2008, 04:30:05 PM »
With fewer than six hours until voting begins in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, the national polling picture has cleared up considerably. Barack Obama is on the verge of a victory, perhaps a decisive victory, in the race for the White House.

The national polls have all consolidated into a range of roughly Obama +7. That is right about where our model sees the race as well, giving Obama a 6.8 point advantage in its composite of state and national polling. Our model notes, however, that candidates with large leads in the polls have had some tendency to underperform marginally on election day, and so projects an Obama win of 6.0 points tomorrow.

Far more important, of course, is the race for 270 electors. It appears almost certain that Obama will capture all of the states won by John Kerry in 2008. Pennsylvania, while certainly having tightened somewhat over the course of the past two weeks, appears to be holding at a margin of about +8 for Obama, with very few remaining undecideds. Obama also appears almost certain to capture Iowa and New Mexico, which were won by Al Gore in 2000. Collectively, these states total 264 electoral votes, leaving Obama just 5 votes shy of a tie and 6 of a win.

Obama has any number of states to collect those 5 or 6 votes. In inverse order of difficulty, these include Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Missouri and Indiana. Obama is the signficant favorite in several of these states; winning any one of them may be fairly difficult for John McCain, but winning all of them at once, as John McCain probably must do, is nearly impossible.

McCain's chances, in essence, boil down to the polling being significantly wrong, for such reasons as a Bradley Effect or "Shy Tory" Effect, or extreme complacency among Democratic voters. Our model recognizes that the actual margins of error in polling are much larger than the purported ones, and that when polls are wrong, they are often wrong in the same direction.

However, even if these phenomenon are manifest to some extent, it is unlikely that they are worth a full 6-7 points for McCain. Moreover, there are at least as many reasons to think that the polls are understating Obama's support, because of such factors as the cellphone problem, his superior groundgame operation, and the substantial lead that he has built up among early voters.

McCain's chances of victory are estimated at 1.9 percent, their lowest total of the year.


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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 05:12:36 PM »
MattT are you an eligible voter in the United States?

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 05:16:18 PM »
MattT are you an eligible voter in the United States?

He is Canadian. He can't vote, he comes here to gloat because Obama is running away with it. This is the same guy who thinks Dubai is in India and all of a sudden he is interested in American politics? ::) He is just another racist.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 05:20:21 PM »
He is Canadian. He can't vote, he comes here to gloat because Obama is running away with it. This is the same guy who thinks Dubai is in India and all of a sudden he is interested in American politics? ::) He is just another racist.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 05:25:51 PM »
He is Canadian. He can't vote, he comes here to gloat because Obama is running away with it. This is the same guy who thinks Dubai is in India and all of a sudden he is interested in American politics? ::) He is just another racist.

Hahaha... Dubai in India? Seriously?

UAE bro... UAE.

I will say this... It does show why the US is the greatest country in the world... No one in the US gives a crap about the Prime Minister of Canada, much less what the election outcome will be... but people certainly do care about who will be the next President of the United States of America.

It's like being the most popular kid in school and having everyone try to sniff your jockstrap after practice just in hopes your ball sweat has some magical properties.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 05:28:52 PM »
Hahaha... Dubai in India? Seriously?

UAE bro... UAE.

I will say this... It does show why the US is the greatest country in the world... No one in the US gives a crap about the Prime Minister of Canada, much less what the election outcome will be... but people certainly do care about who will be the next President of the United States of America.

It's like being the most popular kid in school and having everyone try to sniff your jockstrap after practice just in hopes your ball sweat has some magical properties.

Matt only cares because he is black. He is probably the dumbest guy on here. Seriously. He works out, sucks Will Harris' dick, lies about owning a business in Dubai, India and bashes John McCain.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 05:30:10 PM »
dont hate the player hate the game.
what are you saying?
That they should hate the election process?
That it's not your fault your acting out - but rather the election or Obama is to blame for your posting diarrhea the last few weeks?
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 05:31:52 PM »
Hahaha... Dubai in India? Seriously?

UAE bro... UAE.

I will say this... It does show why the US is the greatest country in the world... No one in the US gives a crap about the Prime Minister of Canada, much less what the election outcome will be... but people certainly do care about who will be the next President of the United States of America.

It's like being the most popular kid in school and having everyone try to sniff your jockstrap after practice just in hopes your ball sweat has some magical properties.

Actually has more to do with the impact USA has. No diss to Canada, but whoever gets in it's pretty assured they won't go around vagrantly bombing nations worldwide.

If a nation sticks it tentacles into 80 over nations with military bases alone, then others will poke into their business. And really, posting an opinion is far less impacting then airplanes with bombs killing folks.

Canada is seen a peaceful nation, what they so as little impact to the world, same with many other nations. They aren't an aggressive nuclear powered nation that routinely invades other nations, which the US does no matter what excuse is given - they routinely invade other nations as their history shows.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 05:40:42 PM »
Actually has more to do with the impact USA has. No diss to Canada, but whoever gets in it's pretty assured they won't go around vagrantly bombing nations worldwide.

If a nation sticks it tentacles into 80 over nations with military bases alone, then others will poke into their business. And really, posting an opinion is far less impacting then airplanes with bombs killing folks.

Canada is seen a peaceful nation, what they so as little impact to the world, same with many other nations. They aren't an aggressive nuclear powered nation that routinely invades other nations, which the US does no matter what excuse is given - they routinely invade other nations as their history shows.

So by coming onto an AMERICAN forum and taking cracks at people we respect is the way to handle it, huh? You think MattT calling McCain names on here everyday is classy? The little fucker won't even refer to him by his proper name. If he wants to speak American politics, he should show some respect.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 06:03:29 PM »
It must suck knowing that despite the hours upon hours you invest in trying to push for a guy on a forum because he's black like you, in the end you have no say in the matter and can't even cast a vote. L-O-L.

MattT, will you and Will be spending your honeymoon in Dubai, India?


I must say, Hedge has been on fire since he got back. Systematic dismantling of MattT in one post in this thread.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 06:09:16 PM »
MattT and Jag may not be able to vote... but they sure can influence the outcome of the election.

The debates here on Politics, as well as on the main board, have influenced many.  We learned a lot about the candidates.  Matt might never vote here, but he can show why he likes obama to hundreds of potential voters here.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 06:12:01 PM »
MattT and Jag may not be able to vote... but they sure can influence the outcome of the election.

The debates here on Politics, as well as on the main board, have influenced many.  We learned a lot about the candidates.  Matt might never vote here, but he can show why he likes obama to hundreds of potential voters here.

If you think anyone that has posted here for more than six months and knows that the guy posting once claimed to have business investments in Dubai, India will listen to anything he says, well then you're an idiot. Same goes for Jag.

And in the end, their racism and nuthugging of Obama for being black still won't get them a vote to cast. L-O-L. 

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2008, 06:15:28 PM »
MattT and Jag may not be able to vote... but they sure can influence the outcome of the election.

The debates here on Politics, as well as on the main board, have influenced many.  We learned a lot about the candidates.  Matt might never vote here, but he can show why he likes obama to hundreds of potential voters here.

With all due respect Rob, MattT is an idiot. Nobody here respects anything he says. He's bordeline retarded, and he's only borderline because he's in Canada. Here in America he would be considered officially retarded. He's an idiot, plain and simple, and he comes here making up lies to try to impress us. He's nothing but a typical stupid racist who cares about OUR election for one reason, a black man is running.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2008, 06:17:59 PM »
Politics is the #2 most frequented board.  many viewers are casual readers, and only get their politics info here.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2008, 06:18:29 PM »
I agree 240. Great discussions at times.
I don't think we're being fair with
MattT either.
Much of the topics have been domestic economy.
And we all know what MattT's strength is -  INTERNATIONAL business and venture - particularly Asia and India.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2008, 06:24:27 PM »
There is a lot of BS in politics board, but there are a lot of breaking news stories here too.

I posted the John Edwards affair story 9 MONTHS before the mainstream media got around to publishing it.

A lot of other stories come out here too, before they are covered by CNN.

If a meteor was about to crush the earth, or some other terrible thing, and it wouldn't benefit the govt to put it on the news (IE: mass chaos) --- it would end up on getbig pretty quick.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2008, 06:27:00 PM »
There seems to be a double standard... No offense Hedge, but several of these guys don't have a problem with you posting on American politics but it's supposed to be taboo for Jag and Matt?  I'm a little lost at where they justify that....  Personally I have no problem with people from other countries commenting in our politics.  When we stop trying to influence the world through force and countless other means, I'll demand commentary on our politics be citizen only...  As I see it now, they have a legit interest in what happens in America.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2008, 06:48:50 PM »
There seems to be a double standard... No offense Hedge, but several of these guys don't have a problem with you posting on American politics but it's supposed to be taboo for Jag and Matt?  I'm a little lost at where they justify that....  Personally I have no problem with people from other countries commenting in our politics.  When we stop trying to influence the world through force and countless other means, I'll demand commentary on our politics be citizen only...  As I see it now, they have a legit interest in what happens in America.

I don't see a double standard.
Nordic posts here as well, CQ too. DeeDee used too as well. 
Neither of them are US citizens.
Never once seen them take heat for being foreigners.
But they don't post drivel like: ' 'McSame' sucks. Holla! '
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2008, 06:58:16 PM »
I don't see a double standard.
Nordic posts here as well, CQ too. DeeDee used too as well. 
Neither of them are US citizens.
Never once seen them take heat for being foreigners.
But they don't post drivel like: ' 'McSame' sucks. Holla! '

see that is the double standard.  Guys like danielson and BF say Jag and Matt shouldn't even post on American politics, but yea, never heard them mention Nordic or you...  Posting stupid comments shouldn't be the bar, no shortage of Americans doing that too...

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2008, 07:16:03 PM »
see that is the double standard.  Guys like danielson and BF say Jag and Matt shouldn't even post on American politics, but yea, never heard them mention Nordic or you...  Posting stupid comments shouldn't be the bar, no shortage of Americans doing that too...

No, I just think that foreigners should respect our politicians, particularly those who made the ultimate sacrifice and layed their lives on the line for our country. MattT calling McCain names 10 times a day is disrespectful to all Americans and especially our troops who are dying every day fighting for our country. You ban me for telling you to mind your own business on here, yet you allow a pos Canadian to bash a former POW? Where is the logic in that? Like I have said before, there are a few of you, and I am including you, that are so excited about a black president that you have made this place unbearable for the past several months. You guys pick on Coach for his every opinion, because he is white. Most blatant racism I have ever seen.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2008, 07:17:23 PM »
No, I just think that foreigners should respect our politicians, particularly those who made the ultimate sacrifice and layed their lives on the line for our country. MattT calling McCain names 10 times a day is disrespectful to all Americans and especially our troops who are dying every day fighting for our country. You ban me for telling you to mind your own business on here, yet you allow a pos Canadian to bash a former POW? Where is the logic in that? Like I have said before, there are a few of you, and I am including you, that are so excited about a black president that you have made this place unbearable for the past several months. You guys pick on Coach for his every opinion, because he is white. Most blatant racism I have ever seen.

Coach calls Obama a communist and "pond scumb" repeatedly.

Are attacks like this also uncalled for?

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2008, 07:19:38 PM »
see that is the double standard.  Guys like danielson and BF say Jag and Matt shouldn't even post on American politics, but yea, never heard them mention Nordic or you...  Posting stupid comments shouldn't be the bar, no shortage of Americans doing that too...

I think you got a point.
But lots of Americans have taken heat for 'less than brilliant' posts as well.
Eg when Joe the Coach was accused ( and that was totally uncalled for :D) for not having any opinions of his own but rather just post stuff off Rush's site.   
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2008, 07:19:52 PM »
Coach calls Obama a communist and "pond scumb" repeatedly.

Are attacks like this also uncalled for?

Absolutely. He crosses the line quite often. I give him more leeway because he is an actual American though, it's the foreigners who really bother me.
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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2008, 07:20:50 PM »
No, I just think that foreigners should respect our politicians, particularly those who made the ultimate sacrifice and layed their lives on the line for our country. MattT calling McCain names 10 times a day is disrespectful to all Americans and especially our troops who are dying every day fighting for our country. You ban me for telling you to mind your own business on here, yet you allow a pos Canadian to bash a former POW? Where is the logic in that? Like I have said before, there are a few of you, and I am including you, that are so excited about a black president that you have made this place unbearable for the past several months. You guys pick on Coach for his every opinion, because he is white. Most blatant racism I have ever seen.

Danielson just spoke like a hero.

Disrespecting McCain while freeloading in a socialist country like "MattT" is doing is unacceptable.

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Re: Today's Polls, 11/3 (PM Edition)
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2008, 07:22:13 PM »
I think you got a point.
But lots of Americans have taken heat for 'less than brilliant' posts as well.
Eg when Joe the Coach was accused ( and that was totally uncalled for :D) for not having any opinions of his own but rather just post stuff off Rush's site.   

HH is one person who actually is here to discuss the election. He has shown both candidates their due respect as far as I have seen. The "Black Panthers" on here could learn a thing or two from him.
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