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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2008, 07:05:13 AM »

you use stats to support your argument, so why do they not apply in this instance?

your stats 'say' cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, according to you.

so, the same logic must apply that because his stats are better than brady's or palmers, he's the better qb.

the only person getting owned is you  sweetheart, as NOBODY who knows anything about football would say cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, and when NE fails to make the playoffs, or gets bounced out in the first round, the joke will be on you.

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i guess this is what you get for debating football on a bb forum.

please 'body 88' go to a football forum and post your whole 'i'm in love with matt cassel's and he's the 8th best qb in the NFL' tirade so not just myself, but 100'000's of people who actually know that game can mock you in unison, because that is EXACTLY what would happen.

but no, your right and everyone else is wrong.

 Roll Eyes





Bro I never said Cassel was the 8th best qb in the NFL - NFL.COM says that Cassel is the 8th best qb in the NFL, and I am simply reiterating that fact.  My point was to show you with logic and evidence that Cassel is not a bum.  I guess you can't comprehend that.  If the pats don't make the playoffs, it wont be because of a guy who just threw for 400 yards and rushed for 60.  Infact, Cassel was the one who made the throw with one second left to tie the games last week.  You seem obsessed with the pats, and them not making the playoffs.  Bitter much?  Also, why do you keep bringing Brady and Palmer into this, they are both on ir.  Not only do you know pretty much nothing about football; you're totally irrational and spastic.  You really are a clueless buffoon.  It will be funny to see Cassel get an Aaron Rogers type deal next year, and have a franchise built around him.

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 Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 
10 Aaron Rodgers  GB  QB  182  288  63.2  32.0  2,124  7.4  236.0  13  5  92  31.9  62  25  9  21  93.3 
11 David Garrard  JAC  QB  188  288  65.3  32.0  2,009  7.0  223.2  8  5  109  37.8  35  21  0  22  87.6 
12 Jason Campbell  WAS  QB  176  273  64.5  30.3  1,960  7.2  217.8  8  2  95  34.8  67T  22  3  23  92.4 
13 Eli Manning  NYG  QB  170  281  60.5  31.2  1,926  6.9  214.0  14  6  97  34.5  41  22  1  11  88.8 
14 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  149  250  59.6  27.8  1,909  7.6  212.1  11  5  88  35.2  70T  25  6  12  89.9
 
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2008, 10:09:41 AM »

I haven't really posted this year on the Pats but here goes. Cassel has performed well above expectations. The staff has brough him along slowly and he's grasped everything that's been thrown at him. He is not making mistakes, learned to get the ball out faster, and has taken less sacks. U can't expect that 08 Pats would look like the 07 Pats. Cassel is look at the biggest QB free agent contract out of a fairly large group of QB's. The Pats won't be able to resign him anyway. He's made the season fun again for Pats fans. I fully expect that he'll be running with whole offensive playbbok soon. If they can get all their backs health, the offensive will be pretty dangerous and hopefully competitive going in the playoffs. The defensive has some holes but younger guys have stepped up.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2008, 11:43:32 AM »

Is Thomas out for the year or is it week to week?
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2008, 11:58:24 AM »

Is Thomas out for the year or is it week to week?

Until he is on ir don't count him out. 
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2008, 08:02:43 PM »

They annouched Wheatley today.

Rookie CB Terrence Wheatley has been placed on season-ending injured reserve with a wrist injury. Wheatley hurt the wrist Nov. 2 against Indianapolis and had not played since
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2008, 02:24:24 PM »

No one, your thoughts on Matt Cassel?

Today he passed for over 400 yards, threw for three scores and rushed for a td.  Last week he threw for over 400 yards and rushed for 60.  I don't know of another QB who has done that over two games, ever.  Further more, over the last eight quarters Cassel has gone 60/94, 63.8 comp%, 815 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT (the int coming from a caught ball that was knocked out of Moss's hands).  During the hardest part of the pats schedule this year, Cassel has passed for over 1000 yards, rushed for over 200 yards and thrown 9 td's.  Thats after he brought the pats back from a 3 score deficit to tie it with one second left three weeks back vs the Jets.

WHAT A BUM  Roll Eyes  The only person who would be laughed at on a legit football forum for calling Cassel anything but a steller QB is you.  Hopefully you don't spend to much time evaluating NFL talent on your football forums, haha.  The pats might not make the playoffs due to the steller play of the Jets, and a rash of injuries, but Matt Cassel is certainly the best young QB in the NFL right now.  Who's better?  Flacco?  Matty R? Quinn?  NOPE.  Matt Cassel = millions with a new team next year. 
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2008, 01:58:37 AM »

The dude's impressive. Maybe the Pats should consider cutting ol' Tom!
it would be interesting to see what they would do if they were forced to make a decision.

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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2008, 05:35:06 AM »

No one, your thoughts on Matt Cassel?

Today he passed for over 400 yards, threw for three scores and rushed for a td.  Last week he threw for over 400 yards and rushed for 60.  I don't know of another QB who has done that over two games, ever.  Further more, over the last eight quarters Cassel has gone 60/94, 63.8 comp%, 815 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT (the int coming from a caught ball that was knocked out of Moss's hands).  During the hardest part of the pats schedule this year, Cassel has passed for over 1000 yards, rushed for over 200 yards and thrown 9 td's.  Thats after he brought the pats back from a 3 score deficit to tie it with one second left three weeks back vs the Jets.

WHAT A BUM  Roll Eyes  The only person who would be laughed at on a legit football forum for calling Cassel anything but a steller QB is you.  Hopefully you don't spend to much time evaluating NFL talent on your football forums, haha.  The pats might not make the playoffs due to the steller play of the Jets, and a rash of injuries, but Matt Cassel is certainly the best young QB in the NFL right now.  Who's better?  Flacco?  Matty R? Quinn?  NOPE.  Matt Cassel = millions with a new team next year. 

ahahahaha...

ok.

whatever you say 'body88'.

he's the next troy aikman- no- joe montana for sure.

why christ, he's the best quarterback in the NFL today.

yes, i'm sure when NE doesn't make the playoffs cassel's phone is going to be ringing off the hook. i even heard a rumour that favre is going to be his backup in new york next year.

 Roll Eyes

he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.

sorry to disappoint you.



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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2008, 07:16:33 AM »

ahahahaha...

ok.

whatever you say 'body88'.

he's the next troy aikman- no- joe montana for sure.

why christ, he's the best quarterback in the NFL today.

yes, i'm sure when NE doesn't make the playoffs cassel's phone is going to be ringing off the hook. i even heard a rumour that favre is going to be his backup in new york next year.

 Roll Eyes

he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.

sorry to disappoint you.






You have no idea what you are talking about.  All crap and no facts!  You got owned junior, it's that simple.  Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player.  Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands.  Did you even watch him play over the last four weeks?  You bias and refusal to accept the stats are laughable.  Lets look at where Cassel ranks in the NFL currently after 11 games:

1 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  302  433  69.7  39.4  3,506  8.1  318.7  21  8  174  40.2  79T  35  8  19  102.4 
2 Drew Brees  NO  QB  266  398  66.8  39.8  3,251  8.2  325.1  18  11  142  35.7  84T  43  13  8  95.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  246  406  60.6  36.9  3,036  7.5  276.0  19  12  143  35.2  93T  39  6  7  87.0 
4 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  266  424  62.7  38.5  2,823  6.7  256.6  19  10  146  34.4  75  28  4  12  87.2 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  215  327  65.7  29.7  2,806  8.6  255.1  23  10  133  40.7  67  38  9  16  103.3 
6 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  235  400  58.8  36.4  2,770  6.9  251.8  14  10  128  32.0  90T  36  8  17  81.1 
7 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  225  341  66.0  31.0  2,715  8.0  246.8  11  6  133  39.0  80T  31  6  20  93.7 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  238  359  66.3  32.6  2,615  7.3  237.7  13  8  125  34.8  66T  24  4  34  90.5 
9 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  245  347  70.6  31.5  2,461  7.1  223.7  20  13  131  37.8  56T  25  7  21  94.1 
9 David Garrard  JAC  QB  228  363  62.8  33.0  2,461  6.8  223.7  9  8  129  35.5  35  26  0  30  81.8 
11 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  186  310  60.0  28.2  2,418  7.8  219.8  11  6  111  35.8  70T  30  7  13  88.3


Not only did you ignore all the stats I posted in my original post, you still can't answer me using football speak and statistical evidence to back up your claims.  You're wrong, plain and simple.  Cassel will make millions next year, and you will be owned again, haha.
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2008, 07:19:34 AM »

it would be interesting to see what they would do if they were forced to make a decision.



They will be forced to make a decision.  The only thing they can do is sign and trade him.
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2008, 01:40:01 PM »

They will be forced to make a decision.  The only thing they can do is sign and trade him.

 who would you rather have?

 
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2008, 01:52:43 PM »

They're keeping Brady UNLESS he has major issues with playing next season (unlikely).
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2008, 02:04:58 PM »

hahaha..you fags...Matt Cassell is ripping up the leauge right now..All yall counted out the USC boy but he aint doin nothing but giving you back to back 400yrd games...


P.S. He is a free Agent next year...He will get PAID
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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2008, 05:01:01 PM »

who would you rather have?

 

Brady (unless he is hurt), but as we all saw with Phillip Rivers, basic acl's are not a big deal anymore.  Rivers is having a pro bowl year, and his injury was more severe than Bradys.

In a perfect world you franchise Cassel, work out a deal in which you include that franchise tag in a singing bonus. and you get a first rounder for him.

The pats have Kevin O'Connel whom the drafted in the third round out of SDS. He is bigger than Cassel but just as athletic.  Considering that the pats have a knack for drafting qb's I'm not to worried.
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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2008, 05:04:49 PM »

hahaha..you fags...Matt Cassell is ripping up the leauge right now..All yall counted out the USC boy but he aint doin nothing but giving you back to back 400yrd games...


P.S. He is a free Agent next year...He will get PAID

I know right.  Cassel throws for over 1000 yards nine td's and one int over the last three games and no one says he is a bum.  Thats even after showing him stats that say Cassel is the eighth best qb inthe NFL.

Did I mention Cassel did this vs the AFC east, which is the second best group of teams in the NFL.

Oh brother, these guys, haha.
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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2008, 05:22:36 PM »

Brady (unless he is hurt), but as we all saw with Phillip Rivers, basic acl's are not a big deal anymore.  Rivers is having a pro bowl year, and his injury was more severe than Bradys.

In a perfect world you franchise Cassel, work out a deal in which you include that franchise tag in a singing bonus. and you get a first rounder for him.

The pats have Kevin O'Connel whom the drafted in the third round out of SDS. He is bigger than Cassel but just as athletic.  Considering that the pats have a knack for drafting qb's I'm not to worried.
So you would take brady now and let cassel go? considering all factors. i know this question is very basic and its intended to be that way. imo i would let brady go infavor of cassel, for future sake. this kid in this system from what ive seen so far can be deadly. more upside than brady and more physical skills. you just dont get a young qb with such low mileage that performs like that so soon very often if ever.
 Matts been very impressive considering the team he is on was one of the worst in the league.
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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2008, 06:33:57 PM »

So you would take Brady now and let cassel go? considering all factors. i know this question is very basic and its intended to be that way. imo i would let brady go infavor of cassel, for future sake. this kid in this system from what ive seen so far can be deadly. more upside than brady and more physical skills. you just dont get a young qb with such low mileage that performs like that so soon very often if ever.
 Matts been very impressive considering the team he is on was one of the worst in the league.

Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever play the game...the best QB in the NFL, you just don't make that move.  The pats know what they are doing, and they held on to Cassel when every mediot said to cut him.  Tehy swapped Bledsor for Brady (which was very risky)...I trust the hoodie : )  They should try to sign and trade Cassel.  Did you just say that pats where one of the worst teams in the league? Thats just crazy talk.  They are 7-4 with a rash of injuries, and a rookie QB.  The AFC east is also close to the toughest devision in football.  Thats insanity.

Total offense - Pats are ranked 7th in the NFL.

Total Defense - They are ranked 12th.

Considering all the injuries that is very impressive.  The pats were never even close to the worst team in the NFL; it wont ever happen with Belichick as a coach.  To be ranked the 12th best d in the NFL with all the injuries and with all the rookies starting is pretty impressive. The pats D is being rebuilt while they stay competitive.  Mayo, Wilhite, Wheatley, Crable and Guyton were or are all starting rookies.
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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2008, 07:06:32 PM »

Did you just say that pats where one of the worst teams in the league? Thats just crazy talk. 

no, i meant Matt Ryan in that statement and the team the falcons had last year was one of the worst, sorry.  yeah i heard the Pats had a pretty good season last year.  Tongue
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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2008, 07:15:31 PM »

no, i meant Matt Ryan in that statement and the team the falcons had last year was one of the worst, sorry.  yeah i heard the Pats had a pretty good season last year.  Tongue


I agree that Ryan is doing a great job.  But with Turner and the potent offensive weapons, this ain't last years Falcons.  I had a good friend who was a Senior on the eagles when Ryan was being recruited, the kid was always destined for greatness.
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »


You have no idea what you are talking about.  All crap and no facts!  You got owned junior, it's that simple.  Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player.  Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands.  Did you even watch him play over the last four weeks?  You bias and refusal to accept the stats are laughable.  Lets look at where Cassel ranks in the NFL currently after 11 games:

1 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  302  433  69.7  39.4  3,506  8.1  318.7  21  8  174  40.2  79T  35  8  19  102.4 
2 Drew Brees  NO  QB  266  398  66.8  39.8  3,251  8.2  325.1  18  11  142  35.7  84T  43  13  8  95.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  246  406  60.6  36.9  3,036  7.5  276.0  19  12  143  35.2  93T  39  6  7  87.0 
4 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  266  424  62.7  38.5  2,823  6.7  256.6  19  10  146  34.4  75  28  4  12  87.2 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  215  327  65.7  29.7  2,806  8.6  255.1  23  10  133  40.7  67  38  9  16  103.3 
6 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  235  400  58.8  36.4  2,770  6.9  251.8  14  10  128  32.0  90T  36  8  17  81.1 
7 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  225  341  66.0  31.0  2,715  8.0  246.8  11  6  133  39.0  80T  31  6  20  93.7 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  238  359  66.3  32.6  2,615  7.3  237.7  13  8  125  34.8  66T  24  4  34  90.5 
9 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  245  347  70.6  31.5  2,461  7.1  223.7  20  13  131  37.8  56T  25  7  21  94.1 
9 David Garrard  JAC  QB  228  363  62.8  33.0  2,461  6.8  223.7  9  8  129  35.5  35  26  0  30  81.8 
11 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  186  310  60.0  28.2  2,418  7.8  219.8  11  6  111  35.8  70T  30  7  13  88.3


Not only did you ignore all the stats I posted in my original post, you still can't answer me using football speak and statistical evidence to back up your claims.  You're wrong, plain and simple.  Cassel will make millions next year, and you will be owned again, haha.

so, according to your 'statisitcal evidence', statistically cassel is a better QB than favre and is therefore the better QB overall.

 Roll Eyes

but i guess your stats only apply to where you want them to. live by the sword, die by the sword i suppose.

please, don't stop now- i'm enjoying this little self- inflicted owning your administering to yourself.
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« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2008, 07:44:52 PM »

, the kid was always destined for greatness.

not really, he was lightly recruited out of high school

3 star prospect which means college scouts didn't think he had great pro potential

i think he was a late bloomer

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« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2008, 08:14:16 PM »

not really, he was lightly recruited out of high school

3 star prospect which means college scouts didn't think he had great pro potential

i think he was a late bloomer

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« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2008, 08:19:08 PM »

I know right.  Cassel throws for over 1000 yards nine td's and one int over the last three games and no one says he is a bum.  Thats even after showing him stats that say Cassel is the eighth best qb inthe NFL.

Did I mention Cassel did this vs the AFC east, which is the second best group of teams in the NFL.

Oh brother, these guys, haha.

you know, the more i read your posts i wonder if you even watch football at all. actually i just think you're so much of a homer you can't tell reality from your little dream world where matt cassel massages you in coconut butter and feeds you grapes.

only an idiot would proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold a clipboard since highschool the 8th best quarterback in the NFL after 10 games.

i'm surprised canton hasn't called cassel to inform him he is going to be inducted next year.

you know, your 'stats' would probably hold a little more significance if he had been a starter in the league for 2 or so years, but to come off the bench and play 10 games and call him the 8th best in the NFL makes you more laughable than the ignorance displayed in your posts.

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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2008, 08:28:54 PM »

Matt Ryan has a very potent offensive attack, and Cassel is the better player.  Cassel is doing a lot more than putting the ball in players hands.

here you go sweetheart...

http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php?s=057270763e42707d2dda0347674eead8&showtopic=334220&st=0&p=353373&#entry353373

nobody in the world of the NFL- analysts, reporters, coaches or players is even mentioning cassel in the same breath as ryan. in fact, nobody talks about cassel at all, despite him being 'the 8th best quarterback in the NFL'. they must all be wrong, and you are right.  Roll Eyes

god you're dumb.

how many times have you heard the words 'pro bowl', 'rookie of the year' and matt ryan in the last couple of week- alot.

how many times have you heard the words matt cassel and 'pro bowl'. none. the only words you hear in relation to cassel is...'who'?

cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.

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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2008, 06:00:12 AM »

I'm a Dolphins fan and even I couldn't ignore how GOOD Matt Cassell is. Sure it helps having Moss but he throws those balls fast and accurate, plus his scrambling ability is top notch.
Who knew this kid had it? Props.
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