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« on: November 09, 2008, 01:44:01 PM »

Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player.  I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir. 

Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets


AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 02:58:29 PM »

this team reminds me of the SB team that beat the Rams. not in talent but in being under-rated. i hope Collins can get a ring though.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 10:54:40 PM »

Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 07:46:18 AM »

Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player.  I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir. 

Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets


AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?

who's the rookie qb?
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 11:39:11 AM »

Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...

No he's not.  Cassel is doing amazing considering he is only starting his 9th NFL game.  According to the stats he is on par with players like Trent Edwards and Matt Ryan.  The only rookie qb who has better numbers than Cassel is Ryan, and they are only slightly better in a putrid devision.


13 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  149  250  59.6  27.8  1,909  7.6  212.1  11  5  88  35.2  70T  25  6  12  89.9 
14 Jake Delhomme  CAR  QB  147  258  57.0  28.7  1,853  7.2  205.9  10  9  86  33.3  65T  24  4  13  77.9 
15 Trent Edwards  BUF  QB  164  245  66.9  27.2  1,845  7.5  205.0  7  7  88  35.9  49  25  3  20  86.9 
16 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  179  267  67.0  29.7  1,800  6.7  200.0  7  7  89  33.3  66T  16  2  29  83.9



Cassels numbers vs a very good Bills team:

23 34 67.6 234 6.9 0 0 1 8 87.1 9 22 2.4 1


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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 11:39:59 AM »

who's the rookie qb?

Matt Cassel.  He's less than a rookie, he didn't even play a down of football in college ( stuck behind Palmer and Leirnart).
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 11:52:48 AM »

Matt Cassel.  He's less than a rookie, he didn't even play a down of football in college ( stuck behind Palmer and Leirnart).


Yeah, but he's played in 3 years worth of preseason games and has been a clipholder for Tom Brady, plus all the game films he's had to watch... so he should pretty much know the offense inside and out. Very little learning he has to do unlike many "rookies".

I know he has very little game experience but he has done pretty much enough to call him a veteran at this point of his career. So to compare him to what Edwards and Matt Ryan (who is light years ahead of him on the talent scale) have done is ludicrous.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 12:11:08 PM »


Yeah, but he's played in 3 years worth of preseason games and has been a clipholder for Tom Brady, plus all the game films he's had to watch... so he should pretty much know the offense inside and out. Very little learning he has to do unlike many "rookies".

I know he has very little game experience but he has done pretty much enough to call him a veteran at this point of his career. So to compare him to what Edwards and Matt Ryan (who is light years ahead of him on the talent scale) have done is ludicrous.

Actually, the pats where criticized for not putting Cassel into games more last year.  If you look at the amount of game time cassel has over his stay with the pats, it is actually a very small number. While rookie Qb's where playing in college Cassel was not.  He did not play a single down in college.  It all evens out my friend.

Game experience is everything in football, and while Cassel twas riding the pine at USC Edwards and Ryan where playing. Numbers are numbers, and according to the numbers Cassel is on par with the guys you say he is not.  Cassel outplayed Edwards by a lot Sunday, btw.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 12:32:24 PM »

OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 03:32:25 PM »

OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.

Thats what they said about Brady.....and no I don't think the Pats can beat the Giants, so your right its a moot point.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 06:46:33 PM »

Cassel is okay. It's just almost impossible to live up to Tom Brady's status so I give him a pass.

I'm a Dolphins fan btw.
I do not hate the Jets, just their fans. They have to be the most annoying fans in the world.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 08:35:49 PM »

cassel looks good, it's funny how things work out with him playing and now leinart is on the bench

it's almost like when drew henson played over brady at michigan, then had nfl careers that were quite different lol

as for the pats, i think they make the playoffs but there is no way they win the super bowl

brady is the mvp of the league and they haven't won one with him since the 04 season, it isn't happening without him

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 03:13:56 PM »

Awesome game today. This kid is really turning out to be a good player.  I think this could be Belichiks best coaching job since he came to the pats. 6-3 with the best player in the game on ir, a rookie qb and over 11 pats starters either injured or on ir. 

Short week coming in to a tough game vs the jets


AFC East:
Pats 6-3
Jets 6-3
Bills 5-4
Miami 5-4?

this is the team to watch in the afc east...

buffalo you can stick a fork in- lost 4 of their last 5 and 3 in a row after their bye week. even the run they had before the bye was suspect coming from behind in the 4th quarter to squeak out wins. i think reality has finally set in in buffalo.

the jets. what can you say about the jets. are they good- maybe. does farve make them better- absolutely, despite still being very much a gun slinger. at the start of the year after picking up fanica and favre i had originally thought they'd go 10-6.

new england i wrote off after week one. seems they have been winning quietly, and gaining momentum and confidence week to week, which i don't see in the jets. it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow nite after signing law. this is a big divisional game for both teams, possibly the most important game of the year for both. with thomas being out for the season, it further damages NE's chances of retaining sole position at the top of the AFC east. bellicheck and his plug- in system is near flawless but AT is two players in one, and you can only plug one in.

miami. they are playing the hot hand now. every week they look better and better and are believing they not only can be competitive but take over top spot in the east. the hot hand is very much underestimated in football. the giants last year got hot at the right time and won the superbowl. were they the best team- defensively i'd say yas, overall not. but they got hot at the right time. this is what i see miami doing. if the jets beat new england thursday and drop NE to 6-4, a loss to divisonal rivals miami next week and a loss to pittsburgh the week after with a healthy randle el, miami can be in sole possession of second in the east and possibly first by week 13 (oak, ne, and then st louis) if the jets drop a game to tennessee next week.


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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 10:19:03 PM »

OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.

Matt Cassels numbers vs a good jets team


400+ yards passing 70+ yards rushing  3td's o int's and over 100% cp.  He outplayed Edwards last week, and this week is was Farve.   Cassel is going to be a good starter on an NFL team....might even be upper tear.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 10:52:23 PM »

Matt Cassel is a bum. If the Patriots make the playoffs, they'll be first round fodder...

400 yards and he's a bum lol you don't understand the game. He has more to learn but he's well on his way.

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OK....Damm he's decent, but he's NOT a rookie nor will the Pats make it past the first round with him.

You're as mired in trivia as you are silly to be making predictions this early given that he and the team around him are still improving.
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2008, 11:25:58 PM »

400 yards and he's a bum lol you don't understand the game. He has more to learn but he's well on his way.

You're as mired in trivia as you are silly to be making predictions this early given that he and the team around him are still improving.

Yeah I might be making early predictions...but that doesn't mean I'm going to be wrong. If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2008, 12:00:53 AM »

If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.

You're the one making that assessment easy-reader, i never mentioned anything like what you just wrote lol. I said he's a better QB than you're giving him credit for and now in your extremist black and white world that means superbowl haha.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2008, 08:50:20 AM »

Anything can happen in the NFL. All of these players have the talent to compete on the highest level. Comes with the territory for making a 45 man NFL roster.

Any team with a winning record can get hot at this point in the season and make a run.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2008, 09:10:33 AM »

Yeah I might be making early predictions...but that doesn't mean I'm going to be wrong. If you think the patriots are a superbowl team with Cassel you need to take your head out of your ass.

He never said they were.  He said that Cassel was not a bum (which clearly he is not).  Again, he had over 400 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, 3td's and no ints last night.  Thats after coming of a vey good game vs the Bills.  Both the Jets and the Bills are very good teams.  Cassel is well on his way to being a very good NFL qb, and each week he is getting better and better.   The pats are not a sb team because of their injuries, Matt Cassel is not the one that caused them to lose last night.   James Sanders blowing coverage while the jets were in 3rd and 15 was.  Cassel is only playing his 10th NFL game.

Look at the improvement in Cassels numbers:


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By Player Category

 Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 
10 Aaron Rodgers  GB  QB  182  288  63.2  32.0  2,124  7.4  236.0  13  5  92  31.9  62  25  9  21  93.3 
11 David Garrard  JAC  QB  188  288  65.3  32.0  2,009  7.0  223.2  8  5  109  37.8  35  21  0  22  87.6 
12 Jason Campbell  WAS  QB  176  273  64.5  30.3  1,960  7.2  217.8  8  2  95  34.8  67T  22  3  23  92.4 
13 Eli Manning  NYG  QB  170  281  60.5  31.2  1,926  6.9  214.0  14  6  97  34.5  41  22  1  11  88.8 
14 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  149  250  59.6  27.8  1,909  7.6  212.1  11  5  88  35.2  70T  25  6  12  89.9
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2008, 11:34:19 AM »

You're the one making that assessment easy-reader, i never mentioned anything like what you just wrote lol. I said he's a better QB than you're giving him credit for and now in your extremist black and white world that means superbowl haha.


I said he was first round fodder jackass. Why you dissing me?? Are you and Matt Cassel having a love affair?
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2008, 11:50:49 PM »


I said he was first round fodder jackass. Why you dissing me?? Are you and Matt Cassel having a love affair?

Last game was 60 percent completion, 400 yards, no pics, 3TDs you idiot. All while he's still learning. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2008, 11:26:39 AM »

Last game was 60 percent completion, 400 yards, no pics, 3TDs you idiot. All while he's still learning. Roll Eyes

Not to mention rushing for 60 yards, after coming off a week in which he out outplayed Trent Edwards.   How many 6'4 qb's do you know that can rush for 60 yards and pass for 400 yards.....not many.


This guy cracks me up, and it's pretty clear he does not know much about football.  Lets look at the facts:

According to the stats, Matt Cassel is the 8th best qb in football after 10 games.

Cassel has improved every week, and played his best games vs his toughest opponents.

Cassel passed for 400 yards, rushed for 60 yards, threw 3td's and no int's; brought his team back from a large point deficit, and made one of the toughest throws I have ever seen to tie the game vs the jets with one second left.

Cassel has led a patriots team with a RASH of injuries to a 6-4 record.

Cassel has no wear and tear on his body because he never played a down in college.

Cassel is 6'4. 240 lbs and is very mobile.

Cassel learned from one of the greatest qb's to play the game.


Right, no one is going to take a look at this kid to build a franchise around  Roll Eyes, he's a bum, and they would be far better offer burning a high draft pick on an unproven rookie  Roll Eyes  It will be funny to see this guy be 100% wrong at the end of the season.  I don't mind if someone does not like a player, but back it up with some stats or facts.  If you can't, it's nothing more than a full serving of hateraid talking.  I don't like Manning, but I would never say he was a bad qb, or that he was a bum, because the stats and the facts say otherwise.


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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2008, 05:25:07 PM »

lol.

this is a joke.

your use of statistics to support your argument is fallible at best.

statistically, your man-crush has better numbers than tom brady and carson palmer.

is he a better quarterback?

try not to let the love of your favourite team make you look foolish and not know what you are talking about.

oops, too late.



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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2008, 07:04:46 PM »

Exactly, ignore the stats and the facts.  No one said Cassel was better than Brady or Palmer, we said that Cassel was not a bum, and that the stats back that up.  You got owned junior, now go back to the kids boards, because you can't argue like an adult. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2008, 12:22:00 AM »

Exactly, ignore the stats and the facts.  No one said Cassel was better than Brady or Palmer, we said that Cassel was not a bum, and that the stats back that up.  You got owned junior, now go back to the kids boards, because you can't argue like an adult. 

you use stats to support your argument, so why do they not apply in this instance?

your stats 'say' cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, according to you.

so, the same logic must apply that because his stats are better than brady's or palmers, he's the better qb.

the only person getting owned is you  sweetheart, as NOBODY who knows anything about football would say cassel's is the 8th best qb in the league, and when NE fails to make the playoffs, or gets bounced out in the first round, the joke will be on you.

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i guess this is what you get for debating football on a bb forum.

please 'body 88' go to a football forum and post your whole 'i'm in love with matt cassel's and he's the 8th best qb in the NFL' tirade so not just myself, but 100'000's of people who actually know that game can mock you in unison, because that is EXACTLY what would happen.

but no, your right and everyone else is wrong.

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