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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2008, 10:18:14 AM »

you know, the more i read your posts i wonder if you even watch football at all. actually i just think you're so much of a homer you can't tell reality from your little dream world where matt cassel massages you in coconut butter and feeds you grapes.

only an idiot would proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold a clipboard since highschool the 8th best quarterback in the NFL after 10 games.

i'm surprised canton hasn't called cassel to inform him he is going to be inducted next year.

you know, your 'stats' would probably hold a little more significance if he had been a starter in the league for 2 or so years, but to come off the bench and play 10 games and call him the 8th best in the NFL makes you more laughable than the ignorance displayed in your posts.



I have shown you with facts and stats why you are a total bafoon.  Not to mention not a single poster in this thread agrees with what you say.  You're not smart, and it's clear you know little to nothing about football.
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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2008, 10:23:04 AM »

here you go sweetheart...

http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php?s=057270763e42707d2dda0347674eead8&showtopic=334220&st=0&p=353373&#entry353373

nobody in the world of the NFL- analysts, reporters, coaches or players is even mentioning cassel in the same breath as ryan. in fact, nobody talks about cassel at all, despite him being 'the 8th best quarterback in the NFL'. they must all be wrong, and you are right.  Roll Eyes

god you're dumb.

how many times have you heard the words 'pro bowl', 'rookie of the year' and matt ryan in the last couple of week- alot.

how many times have you heard the words matt cassel and 'pro bowl'. none. the only words you hear in relation to cassel is...'who'?

cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.

thanks for coming out.

You are so dumb that it almost shocks me.  You have already been shown that you are wrong, and that you are an idiot.  Matt Ryan does not have as good of stats as Matt Cassel over the same amount of games. I don't give a shit what a bunch of Homer Atlanta fans say. I can't beleive you posted some newspaper article as some type of proof. I could post a bunch of articles that show Cassels rookie numbers are better than Brady's but I'm not dumb like you. Here are the colts hard facts:



1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  286  424  67.5  38.5  3,574  8.4  324.9  22  11  153  36.1  84T  45  15  9  99.9 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  302  433  69.7  39.4  3,506  8.1  318.7  21  8  174  40.2  79T  35  8  19  102.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  246  406  60.6  36.9  3,036  7.5  276.0  19  12  143  35.2  93T  39  6  7  87.0 
4 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  266  424  62.7  38.5  2,823  6.7  256.6  19  10  146  34.4  75  28  4  12  87.2 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  215  327  65.7  29.7  2,806  8.6  255.1  23  10  133  40.7  67  38  9  16  103.3 
6 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  235  400  58.8  36.4  2,770  6.9  251.8  14  10  128  32.0  90T  36  8  17  81.1 
7 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  225  341  66.0  31.0  2,715  8.0  246.8  11  6  133  39.0  80T  31  6  20  93.7 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  238  359  66.3  32.6  2,615  7.3  237.7  13  8  125  34.8  66T  24  4  34  90.5 
9 Aaron Rodgers  GB  QB  228  359  63.5  32.6  2,599  7.2  236.3  17  9  115  32.0  62  31  9  23  90.5 
10 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  245  347  70.6  31.5  2,461  7.1  223.7  20  13  131  37.8  56T  25  7  21  94.1 
10 David Garrard  JAC  QB  228  363  62.8  33.0  2,461  6.8  223.7  9  8  129  35.5  35  26  0  30  81.8 
12 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  186  310  60.0  28.2  2,418  7.8  219.8  11  6  111  35.8  70T  30  7  13  88.3 


Matt Cassel is better than Ryan, it's that simple dumbass.  Using the stats above, please tell me how Matt Ryan is better than Cassel.  Cassel is not being considered for ROTY, because technically he is not a rookie (even though he had not started a game since college).  Anyone who says Ryan is the mvp is a total dumbass.  You're a Falcons fan, and talking about teams going nowhere, baaahahahah!
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« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2008, 11:22:55 AM »

I'm a Dolphins fan and even I couldn't ignore how GOOD Matt Cassell is. Sure it helps having Moss but he throws those balls fast and accurate, plus his scrambling ability is top notch.
Who knew this kid had it? Props.

He has all those things, then add superior coaching to bring out full potential from the raw physical and mental talents. Most NFL teams don't have or apply it. NE does, making a big difference with whomever plays for them in realizing full player potential. The old 49ers had the same edge in superior coaching.
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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2008, 11:27:11 AM »

Dude whatever. Matt Cassel was on the roster for a reason. He is a big time quarterback. Look at his throws last week. It aint like he is just throwing jump balls to Moss. Dude makes good deep out throws. Slants and leads damn good when throwing the post. And an added bonus is his legs. i know im gonna get a lot of shit for this but he reminds me of an early 90s steve young, with his potential and his strengths. The ability to get away from the rush and make a play with his feet while still looking down field.
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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2008, 03:00:53 PM »

You are so dumb that it almost shocks me.  You have already been shown that you are wrong, and that you are an idiot.  Matt Ryan does not have as good of stats as Matt Cassel over the same amount of games. I don't give a shit what a bunch of Homer Atlanta fans say. I can't beleive you posted some newspaper article as some type of proof. I could post a bunch of articles that show Cassels rookie numbers are better than Brady's but I'm not dumb like you. Here are the colts hard facts:



1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  286  424  67.5  38.5  3,574  8.4  324.9  22  11  153  36.1  84T  45  15  9  99.9 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  302  433  69.7  39.4  3,506  8.1  318.7  21  8  174  40.2  79T  35  8  19  102.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  246  406  60.6  36.9  3,036  7.5  276.0  19  12  143  35.2  93T  39  6  7  87.0 
4 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  266  424  62.7  38.5  2,823  6.7  256.6  19  10  146  34.4  75  28  4  12  87.2 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  215  327  65.7  29.7  2,806  8.6  255.1  23  10  133  40.7  67  38  9  16  103.3 
6 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  235  400  58.8  36.4  2,770  6.9  251.8  14  10  128  32.0  90T  36  8  17  81.1 
7 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  225  341  66.0  31.0  2,715  8.0  246.8  11  6  133  39.0  80T  31  6  20  93.7 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  238  359  66.3  32.6  2,615  7.3  237.7  13  8  125  34.8  66T  24  4  34  90.5 
9 Aaron Rodgers  GB  QB  228  359  63.5  32.6  2,599  7.2  236.3  17  9  115  32.0  62  31  9  23  90.5 
10 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  245  347  70.6  31.5  2,461  7.1  223.7  20  13  131  37.8  56T  25  7  21  94.1 
10 David Garrard  JAC  QB  228  363  62.8  33.0  2,461  6.8  223.7  9  8  129  35.5  35  26  0  30  81.8 
12 Matt Ryan  ATL  QB  186  310  60.0  28.2  2,418  7.8  219.8  11  6  111  35.8  70T  30  7  13  88.3 


Matt Cassel is better than Ryan, it's that simple dumbass.  Using the stats above, please tell me how Matt Ryan is better than Cassel. Cassel is not being considered for ROTY, because technically he is not a rookie (even though he had not started a game since college).  Anyone who says Ryan is the mvp is a total dumbass.  You're a Falcons fan, and talking about teams going nowhere, baaahahahah!

show me where i used the words matt cassel and rookie of the year?

you can't. anyway...nice try. non- eligible.

i know it hurts 'body 88' that being a NE fan and nobody who knows anything about football is giving your boy any respect and causes you to grieve.

tell me, is matt cassel a better QB than brett favre? your 'stats' say he is. a simple yes or no will suffice.

i'll be waiting for your answer.

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(edit: sorry sweetheart- i'm not a falcons fan, but it would probably make the fact i'm right a littler less bitter for you if i were)


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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2008, 03:20:58 PM »


he's a kid in a good system putting the ball in the hands of one of the better receiving corps in the league, just like any other QB would be expected to be doing at this level. any one of the 3 rookies you mentioned would have the same numbers in NE.





cassel will be nothing more than a footnote in NFL history as the QB who back up tom brady in 2008. matt ryan is the rookie quarterback who has most impacted his team in 2008 and will continue to make a name for himself in the NFL for years to come. period. cassel, well, it's matt cassel. i mean, seriously... lol.



i'm glad to see that you had common sense enough to not debate these truths, and instead opt to copy /paste your stats like you usually do when scrambling to support your flawed little argument.

anyone who would say matt cassel is the 8th best QB in the NFL has rocks in their head. period. lol. holy shit! it's so laughable to think you are sincere. maybe you are joking. you have to be. i think you're just pulling my leg. nobody is that stupid.

anyway, here's some more reading material-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/80109-can-a-rookie-qb-make-the-pro-bowl-matt-ryan-can-and-he-just-might

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Matt-Ryan-Called-The-Best-Rookie-Quarterback-Ever-Is-That-True-Blog-14849

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bradley/entries/2008/11/23/ryan_playing_like_no_rookie_be.html

i tried to do a search for matt cassel and pro bowl references, but there were none.

sorry.

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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2008, 04:43:03 PM »

Man, it's going to be funny to see you crash and burn.  Your the typical fan who reads a few forums and thinks they know a thing or two about football.  this entire thread disagrees with you, I have proven you wrong, and you cannot accept my challenge to prove that Matt Ryan is better than Matt Cassel with stats and facts.

Also, this whole thing started over you calling a guy who just passed for 1000 yards, 9 td's and 1 int (over three of the best teams in the NFL)a bum.  You really are dumb as hell, and there is no point in trying to rationalize with you. Again, using the current qb stats, prove to me why Matt Cassel is a bum.  You can't so you dance around the issue, fraud. The pro bowl is a popularity contest.  Tedy Bru is going to be voted in this year.  Are you kidding?  He is 500 yards over the hill.  Your the type of fan who watches sportscenter twice a week and thinks they know everything about sports.  Lol, as I type this sportscenter and Pete Caroll are fawning over Cassel stats, hahahaha!!!!  According to you Cassel is now legit since sportscenter talked about him!

Can some other posters weigh in on the issue.  What are your thoughts guys?
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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2008, 05:11:12 PM »

Man, it's going to be funny to see you crash and burn.  Your the typical fan who reads a few forums and thinks they know a thing or two about football.  this entire thread disagrees with you, I have proven you wrong, and you cannot accept my challenge to prove that Matt Ryan is better than Matt Cassel with stats and facts.

Also, this whole thing started over you calling a guy who just passed for 1000 yards, 9 td's and 1 int (over three of the best teams in the NFL)a bum.  You really are dumb as hell, and there is no point in trying to rationalize with you. Again, using the current qb stats, prove to me why Matt Cassel is a bum.  You can't so you dance around the issue, fraud. The pro bowl is a popularity contest.  Tedy Bru is going to be voted in this year.  Are you kidding?  He is 500 yards over the hill.  Your the type of fan who watches sportscenter twice a week and thinks they know everything about sports.  Lol, as I type this sportscenter and Pete Caroll are fawning over Cassel stats, hahahaha!!!!  According to you Cassel is now legit since sportscenter talked about him!

Can some other posters weigh in on the issue.  What are your thoughts guys?

yes- agree, lets get the other posters to weigh in here:

is cassel a better qb than brett favre? according to body 88 and his stats he is. opinions?

has matt cassel impacted NE more than ryan has the falcons?

would quinn, flacco or ryan have the same numbers in NE?


now that that is out of the way, where do i start dismantling you, yet again...?

well...first,

i'm sorry, can you show me where i said matt cassel is a bum? no, you can't. he's an NFL quarterback- they don't just walk in off the street. my exception to your grandstanding and homerism in this thread is CALLING A GUY WHO HAS HELD NOTHING BUT A CLIPBOARD SINCE HIGHSCHOOL THE 8TH BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL AFTER 11 GAMES.

secondly,

i have never said 'sportscenter' is an authority on anything nor the basis of the opinions i have.

poor 'body 88', twisting words in an attempt to discredit since you can't debate with reason, but it doesn't hide the fact that you never answered this question....



tell me, is matt cassel a better QB than brett favre? your 'stats' say he is. a simple yes or no will suffice.



can you debate that any of the 3 rookies you named wouldn't have the same numbers in NE? you said cassel was the better of the 3 rookies using your 'stats' and i gave my rebuttal. where's your's - oh yeah- you don't have one. lol.

can you debate ryan has impacted his team more than any first year starter? no...but i hope you do debate these points because it will only cement the fact you have no clue as to what the fuck you are talking about.


the best part about all of this is that you were the one who orignally brought about the cassel/ ryan comparison, not me, and now you look the fool for getting owned using your own argument.

seriously bro- stop now. your falling so far behind here it's only making you look more and more stupid with every post you make.
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« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2008, 05:13:42 PM »




your use of statistics to support your argument is fallible at best.

statistically, your man-crush has better numbers than tom brady and carson palmer.

is he a better quarterback?



oh, sorry, you must have missed this post. let me embolden it so you can't miss it a second time.

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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2008, 06:31:37 PM »

Who is the eight best QB in the NFL according to the stats?  My argument from the start, lol.  Who is it no one?  All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said.  I said: Matt Cassel was the eight best qb in the NFL according to the stats.  I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason the pats are winning.  I said you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb.  When Cassel played Farve, Cassel has the better numbers.  Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.

Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eight best qb in the NFL this year.  11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size.  You can't !

thanks.

that's what i thought you'd say.

my work here is done.

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« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2008, 06:33:14 PM »

thanks.

that's what i thought you'd say.

my work here is done.

Smiley

Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:

Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol.  Who is it?  All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said.  I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats.  I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning.  I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb.  When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers.  Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.

The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse".  You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality.  The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal.  Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week.  Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison.  First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack).  Lets look at the running game.  Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success.  Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week.  Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job.  NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water.  The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers.  Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run.  Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year.  Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta.  This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.

Now lets look at sacks.  The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13.  Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now.  Atlanta has the  BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan.  That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....

Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers)  Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers).  So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England.  it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!

Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year.  11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size.  Schools out your fraud.
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« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2008, 06:53:11 PM »


its nice to sit in the stands and watch for once.

you guys are looking at it from two different perspectives. its hard to debate who is the better quarterback right now, Favre or Cassel. The matter is subjective and cant be determined because all the variables for both quarterbacks are vastly different.

 
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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2008, 07:11:22 PM »

its nice to sit in the stands and watch for once.

you guys are looking at it from two different perspectives. its hard to debate who is the better quarterback right now, Favre or Cassel. The matter is subjective and cant be determined because all the variables for both quarterbacks are vastly different.

 

All I said was that Cassel was better than Ryan according to the stats, which was built off of this champion calling Cassel a bum.  Do you think Cassel is a bum Athiest?
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« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2008, 07:35:25 PM »

All I said was that Cassel was better than Ryan according to the stats, which was built off of this champion calling Cassel a bum.  Do you think Cassel is a bum Athiest?

   
 Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
 I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.

 i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.
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« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2008, 07:40:04 PM »

   
 Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
 I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.

 i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.

Not by much on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the pats have better wr's than the Falcons, but as a whole Atlanta has the more productive unit.   The Falcons have more rushing yards, more total offensive yards and a far better running game.   Ryan has also been sacked 13 times less than Cassel, and the Falcons play in a garbage division.  The pats are better, but to say that ryan has no supporting cast is laughable, I just showed with stats why it's just not true.....no matter the perception.  Turner is a BEAST, and Atlanta has weapons. The woe-is-me crowd for Atlanta is a joke.  They have weapons.

The pats are dealing with a RASH of injuries, which makes it much closer than you think.  This is not the 2007 pats.


A summary:

Falcons have the better running game ( which opens up the pass)  Cassel = better numbers
Falcons allowed 50% less sacks this year than the pats - Cassel has better numbers
Faclons have more total O, more total rushing O and Cassel plays in a much tougher division - Cassel = better numbers

And of course the obvious: Cassel is ranked higher than Ryan, and has been even while playing in the teeth of schedule including the colts, jets, phins and bills.

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« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2008, 09:09:09 PM »

   
 Cassel is not a bum, for him to do what he is doing with the limited playing experience he has is amazing. and im a dolphins fan as you know.
 I will say he is on a better team than Matt Ryan though. But he is not a bum, not from what I have seen.

 i have no idea who is better, though that isnt what you two are debating.

don't argue with him.

if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.

i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.

anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.



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« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2008, 09:16:53 PM »

Not by much on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, the pats have better wr's than the Falcons, but as a whole Atlanta has the more productive unit.   The Falcons have more rushing yards, more total offensive yards and a far better running game.   Ryan has also been sacked 13 times less than Cassel, and the Falcons play in a garbage division.  The pats are better, but to say that ryan has no supporting cast is laughable, I just showed with stats why it's just not true.....no matter the perception.  Turner is a BEAST, and Atlanta has weapons. The woe-is-me crowd for Atlanta is a joke.  They have weapons.

The pats are dealing with a RASH of injuries, which makes it much closer than you think.  This is not the 2007 pats.


A summary:

Falcons have the better running game ( which opens up the pass)  Cassel = better numbers
Falcons allowed 50% less sacks this year than the pats - Cassel has better numbers
Faclons have more total O, more total rushing O and Cassel plays in a much tougher division - Cassel = better numbers

And of course the obvious: Cassel is ranked higher than Ryan, and has been even while playing in the teeth of schedule including the colts, jets, phins and bills.


certainly this is all very true, i havent looked up the stats myself but im sure youre accurate. however more people would be surprised with the Falcons making the playoffs than the Pats. they would take the teams history, coaches and probowl players into consideration while making this assumption, whether its accurate to do so is arbitrary.
 also im not absolutely sure but im semi-confident that the Pats have a much better defense which tends to be a larger attribute in winning than a potent offense.
 another thing is if both teams were to play each other at the end of the season and it was a must win for both, im rather certain the Pats would be favored, Vegas is usually correct when breaking down teams and the probability of who will win.
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« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2008, 09:32:29 PM »

don't argue with him.

if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.

i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.

anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.





im not arguing, just trying to be objective. believe me he and i have gone at it to the nth degree, pages and pages of going back and forth. it
was insane. i see what youre saying,  though its impossible for either of you to solidify your stance because as i mentioned earlier its all so subjective and have extremely different variables.
 are you guys arguing who is better or where Cassel stands?
 i will say from what ive seen that in my opinion that Cassel can play and is not a bum (i know thats not your argument) i think he has been really good up till now and can be very very good throughout his career, his chances are even better if he can stay in NE.
no one can definitively say that from the beginning of the season till now alone who the better qb is; Favre,Cassel or Ryan.
i would certainly take Cassel as a qb for the dolphins though, would you? i think he is seriously legit.
go fins, i think there are 3 Fin fans on here now  Grin

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« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2008, 10:00:12 PM »


im not arguing, just trying to be objective. believe me he and i have gone at it to the nth degree, pages and pages of going back and forth. it
was insane. i see what youre saying,  though its impossible for either of you to solidify your stance because as i mentioned earlier its all so subjective and have extremely different variables.
 are you guys arguing who is better or where Cassel stands?
 i will say from what ive seen that in my opinion that Cassel can play and is not a bum (i know thats not your argument)
no one can definitively say that from the beginning of the season till now alone who the better qb is; Favre,Cassel or Ryan.
i would certainly take Cassel as a qb for the dolphins though, would you? i think he'll be really good.
go fins, i think there are 3 Fin fans on here now  Grin



in miami i think cassel would really have chance to shine.

he's got a strong arm and for a rookie he shows that he improves week to week, unlike some who stagnate or don't even produce.

with his mobility outside the pocket i think it would add another dimension to the wildcat formation they like to run, provided of course teams don't find ways to adjust to it after a while. it's one of those formations that you can't go to the well with too many times before teams can adjust. this isn't college ball.

he's not a slouch- that's for sure- but nowhere have i ever said he was a bum. i just take exception to him being proclaimed 'the 8th best QB in the NFL' after only being in the league for 11 games. what about brady- he's not on body 88's stats list, nor is palmer. will he languish behind brady if he isn't dealt by NE- absolutely. will he impact whatever team he plays for- who can say- it depends on the team and who they have in place at their key positions. how would cassel do in detroit, you know what i'm saying?

you know, i still like miami with st.l/ buffalo/ kc/ sf to play they should be in good shape going into the playoffs.
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« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2008, 10:17:57 PM »

in miami i think cassel would really have chance to shine.

he's got a strong arm and for a rookie he shows that he improves week to week, unlike some who stagnate or don't even produce.

with his mobility outside the pocket i think it would add another dimension to the wildcat formation they like to run, provided of course teams don't find ways to adjust to it after a while. it's one of those formations that you can't go to the well with too many times before teams can adjust. this isn't college ball.

he's not a slouch- that's for sure- but nowhere have i ever said he was a bum. i just take exception to him being proclaimed 'the 8th best QB in the NFL' after only being in the league for 11 games. what about brady- he's not on body 88's stats list, nor is palmer. will he languish behind brady if he isn't dealt by NE- absolutely. will he impact whatever team he plays for- who can say- it depends on the team and who they have in place at their key positions. how would cassel do in detroit, you know what i'm saying?

you know, i still like miami with st.l/ buffalo/ kc/ sf to play they should be in good shape going into the playoffs.

 it was a mere thought, i know Cassel will NEVER end up in the AFC if he leaves.
    ive had my heart broken so many times by miami before it has made me a pessimist. so far they have impressed me a lot but they have miles to go. imagine what we would be had we not wasted our drafts all those years. the 93 afc championship game against San Diego killed me.

 the bottom line is that you both agree that he is a good
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« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2008, 01:20:18 PM »

don't argue with him.

if he wasn't such a homer he'd be able to see reason.

i am still waiting to see where i called cassel a bum though. he likes to twist words. the classic fall- back of someone who can't use logic and reason to win a debate.

anyway, cassel isn't the 8th best QB in the NFL. to proclaim a rookie who has done nothing but hold brady's water bottle for 3 years and play A WHOLE 11 games in the league the 8th best QB in the NFL is pure stupidity and i think the majority of those who know where i'm coming from would agree.






You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons.  I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are.  Please answer this post:

Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:

Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol.  Who is it?  All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said.  I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats.  I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning.  I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb.  When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers.  Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.

The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse".  You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality.  The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal.  Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week.  Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison.  First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack).  Lets look at the running game.  Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success.  Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week.  Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job.  NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water.  The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers.  Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run.  Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year.  Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta.  This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.

Now lets look at sacks.  The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13.  Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now.  Atlanta has the  BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan.  That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....

Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers)  Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers).  So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England.  it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!

Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year.  11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size.  Schools out your fraud.

Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week.  You're right, no one talks about him Roll Eyes

* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating.  Cassel led the Patriotsí offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter.  His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08).  The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
 
   
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« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2008, 03:57:55 PM »


You did call Cassel a bum.
   

listen asshole.

i'm done with you twisting my words.

show me where i said your boytoy was a 'bum'

can't, can you?

i don't even bother to read your posts anymore cause it always the same ol' song and dance.

thanks and go fuck yourself.
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« Reply #72 on: November 26, 2008, 05:17:32 PM »

listen asshole.

i'm done with you twisting my words.

show me where i said your boytoy was a 'bum'

can't, can you?

i don't even bother to read your posts anymore cause it always the same ol' song and dance.

thanks and go fuck yourself.


Translation - I got owned in your post with stats and evidence that debunked everything I said, and now I am making excuses as to why I cannot answer your post.  Please refute the points I made in the post above.....unless you cant, ha-ha Smiley  I think the best part of the post is when I let you know that NE's offensive line has given up x2 the sacks of Atlanta's line, yet Cassel still has better stats.  If anything Ryan is being helped by his supporting cast MORE.  I loved Ryan coming out of College, I watched the kid play at BC.  I have no axe to grind!  Roddy White is becoming one of the best receivers in the NFL. You know that he has better stats than Moss and Welker right? So, Ryan has no help....yet his o-line gave up 13 less sacks than the pats line,  Roddy White is the 3rd best wr in the NFL and Turner is the second best back in the NFL.  Man, you're just laughable!  Cassel is the better QB right now, just the facts.
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« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2008, 07:25:48 AM »

jamie dukes, NFL network on cassel when asked if matt cassel's numbers over the last two weeks are indicative of his playing ability, or if it's the system:

'...it's a combination of the system and his (cassel's) own progression...we need to stop anointing these guys before they have proven themselves'.


ron woodson, NLF network on cassel:

'...he's had, what? 29 passes for over 20 yards all year...'


of course, 'body88' knows more than a future hall of famer.

and the rest of the football world, of course.

ahahahahahahahaha
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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2008, 09:58:09 AM »

jamie dukes, NFL network on cassel when asked if matt cassel's numbers over the last two weeks are indicative of his playing ability, or if it's the system:

'...it's a combination of the system and his (cassel's) own progression...we need to stop anointing these guys before they have proven themselves'.


ron woodson, NLF network on cassel:

'...he's had, what? 29 passes for over 20 yards all year...'


of course, 'body88' knows more than a future hall of famer.

and the rest of the football world, of course.

ahahahahahahahaha


Stop dodging the issue!  Posting quotes from two of the most ignorant (and often wrong) mediots proves nothing.  It's clear you have melted down and cannot refute the post below.  You won't touch it with a ten foot poll, because you don't have the ability to answer it.  You're wrong, period.


You did call Cassel a bum. Then you asked me if Quinn or Ryan would be better on that pats (as if both those teams are not loaded with offensive weapons). I didn't even respond to the Quinn comment, because the Browns have been one of the most potent offensive teams for years, and they have tons of weapons.  I thought I would talk about the Falcons, because they are your team, and you don't event know how good they are.  Please answer this post:

Not so fast, you wont be able to refute this:

Who is the eighth best QB in the NFL according to the stats....my argument from the start, lol.  Who is it?  All your sidebars and dodges don't change what I said.  I said: Matt Cassel was the eighth best qb in the NFL according to the stats.  I said that Cassel was not a bum, and that he was the reason that the pats are winning.  I said that you are a bafoon to call Cassel a bad qb.  When Cassel played Farve, Cassel had the better numbers.  Again, I am going by performance and stats, not bias, past achievements and reputation.

The "would this guy have the numbers on that team", and "the would-have-could-have, bullshit it an excuse".  You cannot argue with me using facts and stats, so you make up scenarios that don't deal with reality.  The pats have a rash of injuries, and Matt Ryan has plenty of offensive weapons as his disposal.  Cassel had a 5th string rb carrying the ball up until this week.  Not to mention, the line was allowing a ton of sacks this year. Lets look at your falcons for a comparison.  First, the Falcons have more total offense this year than the pats yet Cassel's numbers are better than Ryans (which = Ryans supporting cast picking up the extra slack).  Lets look at the running game.  Turner is making huge contributions to Ryan having so much success.  Not only is he the third best rusher in the NFL, he scored all four of Atlanta's td's last week.  Atlanta is the second best rushing team in the NFL, which proves the offensive line is doing a great job.  NE is ranked 7th in the NFL for rushing which is ob worse than Atlanta blowing the first part of your "supporting cast" garbage out of the water.  The previous stat proves that Ryan has more help from his running game than Cassel, because the rushing attempts are roughly the same for both teams, yet Matt Cassel has the better numbers.  Everyone know the running game opens up the passing game, and surprise-surprise Ryan is best on second down ( the passing down) after the run.  Typically the pats will throw out of the gun on first down, because the running game has been spotty this year.  Teams stack the box and don't bite on play actions like they do with Atlanta.  This bad supporting cast bullshit you are tossing around for Ryan is laughable you imbasile. The Falcons have the better offensive line and running game.

Now lets look at sacks.  The patriots have allowed 35 sacks this year, while the Falcons have allowed 13.  Your entire argument is being blown out of the water right now.  Atlanta has the  BETTER offensive line by 50%, yet Cassel has BETTER numbers than Matt Ryan.  That is the end of your argument, but lets go on for fun.....

Total offense favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers)  Total rushing yards favors the Falcons (yet Cassel has better numbers) Total sacks allowed favors the Falcons by 50% ( yet Cassel has better numbers).  So no, according to the FACTS, Ryan would not be as good in New England.  it's laughable considering the pats would have caused Ryan to be sacked 13 more times, and Cassel still has better numbers!

Now, use the stats I provided to show me a legit argument as to why Cassel is not the eighth best qb in the NFL this year.  11 games in the AFC east is a acceptable sample size.  Schools out your fraud.

Also, Matt Cassel was named offensive plater of the week for the second time this week.  You're right, no one talks about him

* In a 48-28 AFC East road victory over Miami, Cassel completed 30 of 43 passes (69.8 percent) for 415 yards and tied a career-high with three touchdowns versus one interception with a 114.0 passer rating.  Cassel led the Patriotsí offense to 530 total net yards (the second-highest total in team history) and also added an eight-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter.  His 415 passing yards marked the fifth time in NFL history that a quarterback totaled 400 or more passing yards in consecutive games (400 yards against Jets on 11/13/08).  The first-year starter is the first player to register 400 passing yards in back-to-back games since Billy Volek accomplished the feat in 2004 with the Titans (426 yards on 12/13/04 and 492 yards on 12/19/04).
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