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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2008, 12:37:00 PM »
Clinton's first 2 years were pretty bad...border line disastrous. It was the balance budget act that he signed that was the big touchdown for Clinton.

Does anyone remember who drew that bill up? Gingrich...did Clinton want to sign it? No of course not, it took a lot of ass kicking to get it through but it worked, it helped the economy out more then anything in history and now Clinton can take the credit.

Clinton's first two years were only considered disastrous by the Rrght because he attempted to get a lot of left leaning stuff done. In general, these years were considered pretty good. Job creation sky rocketed, inflation dropped, unemployment was down and the deficit was shrinking already.

The balanced budget act has never been considered a "touchdown" for Clinton. It's always been attributed to republicans, and most analysts say that its benefits have been exaggerated since the economy had already been moving in a positive direction before it was passed.

And it didn't get through because of "ass kicking" ... it got through because of compromise. Clinton had made balancing the budget part of his campaign platform so basically it came down to the two parties seeing eye to eye on specifics.





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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 12:43:11 PM »
Here is what happened...this is truth. Personally I don't see how anyone can argue this all that much...be it a democrat or republican.

When it comes to registered voters, those that were registered before this election, the country is pretty evenly split between democrats and republicans. Sometimes conservatives who are right on the line will shift to the left a little, but there are not enough of those to win an election on the left.

The independents, they do make up a chunk of the registered voters, but even though they call themselves independent, most will typically always vote on one side...most always vote democrat, or republican....very few are evenly split. If they voted for Bush you can pretty much guess they voted for McCain, if they voted for Kerry, you can pretty much guess they voted for Obama.

Yes, the independents do affect the election in some way, but that's not what happened here. There is no way the independents who typically gravitate towards the right voted for a far left candidate...so what happened?

For the first time in American history, the "I don't know crap about anything" crowed registered to vote and voted for Obama. These were not the politically intelligent...the politically intelligent always vote. These were the moochers, the lazy, the reality TV supporting mass of cattle.

They voted for Obama, not base on policy, they have no clue what policy is...most of them have no clue how any thing on the hill affect them. They voted for Obama for at least one of these reasons or more:

1. He is better looking then McCain
2. He had celeb appeal
3. He made people feel warm and fuzzy
4. They were told by others that Obama would take care of all their problems...messiah, savior, god, whatever you want to call it.
5. He is black
6. He seems kind of cool
7. They were promised free money...although they have no idea how this works or where it will come from it sounds good to them.
8. If they didn't vote for Obama they wouldn't be cool any more
9. The media, especially MSNBC and almost every major news paper painted McCain to be an evil, heartless and greedy old man.
10. They were promised free money...already mentioned this one, but it's worth mentioning twice. These people will always jump on free money...most of them are too lazy to do anything that would actually earn them more money.

Those are the top 10 reasons Barack Obama will be the 44th president of the United States.

A lot of effort went into this post , but the number just don't bear it out. I won't even argue specifics, but let's put it this way. Approx. the same number of people  who voted during the last election voted during the most recent election. The candidates and outcome were different, but presumably the theories behind the voting body remains the same. Hmmm.



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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2008, 01:19:09 PM »
"The best of times were produced with a GOP congress and Clinton as President"

Yep!

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2008, 01:39:19 PM »
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1. He is better looking then McCain
2. He had celeb appeal
3. He made people feel warm and fuzzy
4. They were told by others that Obama would take care of all their problems...messiah, savior, god, whatever you want to call it.
5. He is black
6. He seems kind of cool
7. They were promised free money...although they have no idea how this works or where it will come from it sounds good to them.
8. If they didn't vote for Obama they wouldn't be cool any more
9. The media, especially MSNBC and almost every major news paper painted McCain to be an evil, heartless and greedy old man.
10. They were promised free money...already mentioned this one, but it's worth mentioning twice. These people will always jump on free money...most of them are too lazy to do anything that would actually earn them more money.
None of your top 10 are correct.  They are rightwing spin points.

Here's something a little more accurate.

1.  Universal Healthcare
2.  Universal Healthcare
3.  Universal Healthcare
4.  Universal Healthcare
5.  A campaign based on the notion of unity and not fear and loathing...or coded issues
6.  Not a republican
7.  Not a republican
8.  Not a republican
9.  Not a republican
10.Not a republican

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2008, 01:51:36 PM »
None of your top 10 are correct.  They are rightwing spin points.

Here's something a little more accurate.

1.  Universal Healthcare
2.  Universal Healthcare
3.  Universal Healthcare
4.  Universal Healthcare
5.  A campaign based on the notion of unity and not fear and loathing...or coded issues
6.  Not a republican
7.  Not a republican
8.  Not a republican
9.  Not a republican
10.Not a republican

Obama was supremely successful at tying McCain to Bush.

Obama had good timing on his side as well.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2008, 01:52:10 PM »
A lot of effort went into this post , but the number just don't bear it out. I won't even argue specifics, but let's put it this way. Approx. the same number of people  who voted during the last election voted during the most recent election. The candidates and outcome were different, but presumably the theories behind the voting body remains the same. Hmmm.




The lower middle class and the black population voted in record numbers...that made a huge difference.

Clinton's first two years were only considered disastrous by the Rrght because he attempted to get a lot of left leaning stuff done. In general, these years were considered pretty good. Job creation sky rocketed, inflation dropped, unemployment was down and the deficit was shrinking already.

The balanced budget act has never been considered a "touchdown" for Clinton. It's always been attributed to republicans, and most analysts say that its benefits have been exaggerated since the economy had already been moving in a positive direction before it was passed.

And it didn't get through because of "ass kicking" ... it got through because of compromise. Clinton had made balancing the budget part of his campaign platform so basically it came down to the two parties seeing eye to eye on specifics.


Clinton had no choice but to sign...even if he had vetoed it had enough votes for his veto to be overturned...so he did the only thing he could that wouldn't make him an ass.

I'll say this about Clinton, as many of his policies as I disagree with, and there are a lot of them, he is a very sharp guy and knows what's what. I'd rather have 8 more years of Clinton then 4 years of Obama.

None of your top 10 are correct.  They are rightwing spin points.

Here's something a little more accurate.

1.  Universal Healthcare
2.  Universal Healthcare
3.  Universal Healthcare
4.  Universal Healthcare
5.  A campaign based on the notion of unity and not fear and loathing...or coded issues
6.  Not a republican
7.  Not a republican
8.  Not a republican
9.  Not a republican
10.Not a republican

"Universal Health Care" is disaster if it happens

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2008, 02:20:53 PM »
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"Universal Health Care" is disaster if it happens
It very well could be disasterous.  I don't care for his UHC plan.  He works with the crooked insurance giants instead of incorporating a single payor system.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2008, 02:22:15 PM »
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Obama had good timing on his side as well.
I'll tell you, I would have bet my house that a black man would not be elected president in my lifetime.

Obama's fortune was due to the Bush administration...I think.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2008, 02:25:07 PM »
None of your top 10 are correct.  They are rightwing spin points.

Here's something a little more accurate.

1.  Universal Healthcare
2.  Universal Healthcare
3.  Universal Healthcare
4.  Universal Healthcare
5.  A campaign based on the notion of unity and not fear and loathing...or coded issues
6.  Not a republican
7.  Not a republican
8.  Not a republican
9.  Not a republican
10.Not a republican

1.  Money
2.  Money
3.  Money
4.  Money
5.  Money
6.  Economy
7.  Bush
8.  Obama running good campaign
9.  McCain running bad campaign
10. Money

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2008, 03:42:27 PM »
I'll tell you, I would have bet my house that a black man would not be elected president in my lifetime.

Obama's fortune was due to the Bush administration...I think.

Many liberals I know think there are far more racists than there axctually are.

Most people I know could care less about the color of someone's skin, myself included.  I am glad that a black person was finallly elected.  I think that is a GREAT thing.  I just never thought it would be someone like Obama.

I also have to say that I am very surprised at how heavily he is going to the Clinton well for appointments so far.

 

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2008, 04:14:01 PM »
Obama was supremely successful at tying McCain to Bush.

Obama had good timing on his side as well.

100% correct.

Even at that, I am one black male who was still VERY surprised that he got elected with the last name 'Obama'. 

At one point, I may have even said there was '0% chance' of him being elected President, but America surprised the hell outta me and I believe they - we - did the right thing.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2008, 04:19:09 PM »
I'll tell you, I would have bet my house that a black man would not be elected president in my lifetime.

Obama's fortune was due to the Bush administration...I think.

I didn't see it happening anytime before I was in my 70s, although I did consider Colin Powell the most viable candidate (the time for him to run was in 2000, though).

I knew it would be close after he won the nomination, but it was probably late August (after my trip to Ohio) before I began to believe it could actually happen. 


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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2008, 04:54:12 PM »
Many liberals I know think there are far more racists than there axctually are.


 


Wow, Mr. Census, you really got the numbers?
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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2008, 06:16:12 PM »
100% correct.

Even at that, I am one black male who was still VERY surprised that he got elected with the last name 'Obama'. 

At one point, I may have even said there was '0% chance' of him being elected President, but America surprised the hell outta me and I believe they - we - did the right thing.


America as a whole is far more tolerant and accepting than the media would lead you to believe.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2008, 06:22:26 PM »
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The lower middle class and the black population voted in record numbers...that made a huge difference.

Missing the point... Assuming that you are trying to equate  "black" and  "lower middle class" demos with "uninformed voter", you can't limit the description to those two categories. There were plenty of conservative voters in 2004 who were uninformed. Earning more money, being white or even having been registered to vote longer don't necessarily mean that they were better informed.


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Clinton had no choice but to sign...even if he had vetoed it had enough votes for his veto to be overturned...so he did the only thing he could that wouldn't make him an ass.

Not true. If this was the case, the Repubs wouldn't have made so many compromises. The bill had been introduced before and he'd vetoed it.



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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2008, 07:13:51 PM »
I watched the video again and am literally sick to my stomach thinking these disgusting slobs canceled out my vote.

Typical democrats who ask the rest of us for welfare anf handouts. 

No wonder this country is screwed.  With fools like this we are truly doomed.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2008, 07:27:03 PM »
I watched the video again and am literally sick to my stomach thinking these disgusting slobs canceled out my vote.


That's democracy for you. You apparently don't like it, so move to China.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2008, 07:39:41 PM »
America as a whole is far more tolerant and accepting than the media would lead you to believe.

You sure have your finger on the pulse of True America, Mr.
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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2008, 08:10:57 PM »
You sure have your finger on the pulse of True America, Mr.

No, the disgusting media tells everyone that all whites are closet racists which is obviously not true. 

Look at how many stupid stories there were about the bradely effect and whether whites would actually vote for a black guy.

It was all leftist propaganda and lies like usual trying to paint whites as intolerant and racist.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2008, 08:24:03 PM »
No, the disgusting media tells everyone that all whites are closet racists which is obviously not true. 

Look at how many stupid stories there were about the bradely effect and whether whites would actually vote for a black guy.

It was all leftist propaganda and lies like usual trying to paint whites as intolerant and racist.


Um, as a guy who watches both msnbc and fox.... FOX made a much bigger deal of the Bradley effect than MSNBC did... they practically pretended it didn't exist.  They ran a few pieces... but easily a 2:1 ratio in favor of FOX.

Palin admits there is both a left- and right- wing media in the USA.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2008, 08:46:02 PM »
Most of the people who I have talked to have regreted voted for Obama (like I predicted) and it shows on Wall St. But NOW when you hear Obama make a speech, so far the only thing he says he's going to do is close Guantanamo, which is a retarded idea anyway. He's keeping most of the policies that Bush implimented...........ge e, I guess Bush wasn't so bad after all!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2008, 08:57:19 PM »
Joe-

Gitmo is a recruiting tool for Al-quida.

They use its existence to recruit more assholes to their cause.

We can keep these same folks in quieter prisons without all the hoopla.  It's the gesturing, posturing that Gitmo represented, that helped Al-Q in iraq grow as large as it has. 

Without that cause - we can achieve the same goals - and stop helping their recruitment.

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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2008, 04:12:58 AM »
Most of the people who I have talked to have regreted voted for Obama (like I predicted) and it shows on Wall St. But NOW when you hear Obama make a speech, so far the only thing he says he's going to do is close Guantanamo, which is a retarded idea anyway. He's keeping most of the policies that Bush implimented...........ge e, I guess Bush wasn't so bad after all!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2008, 04:17:15 AM »
Most of the people who I have talked to have regreted voted for Obama (like I predicted) and it shows on Wall St. But NOW when you hear Obama make a speech, so far the only thing he says he's going to do is close Guantanamo, which is a retarded idea anyway. He's keeping most of the policies that Bush implimented...........ge e, I guess Bush wasn't so bad after all!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you expect adults to believe this?
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Re: How Obama got elected
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2008, 04:41:19 AM »
Missing the point... Assuming that you are trying to equate  "black" and  "lower middle class" demos with "uninformed voter", you can't limit the description to those two categories. There were plenty of conservative voters in 2004 who were uninformed. Earning more money, being white or even having been registered to vote longer don't necessarily mean that they were better informed.

I traveled to Ohio in August, because I wanted to get an idea of which way the state was leaning at that point.

A conversation with a cab driver - who is black - summed it all up for me.  It may have been only one city in one state, but if even a quarter of Blacks in the working poor class were as informed about national politics as this gentleman, then Ohio was definitely going Democratic as a referendum on the Bush presidency.