"Brett Favre"

[CalvinH]

maybe i'm just bitter he couldn't beat Miami today?

There is that

[divcom]

all im saying is barry sanders is the best running back to ever play the game !

what is reggie bush about the same weight and a bit taller with a lot of the same moves but is worthless as a every down back?  top 10 hyped player of all-time in the nfl.   saints have to play him b/c they jacked off a 2nd overall pick.      

i also like dickerson (straight up back) and faulk (everything but spec teams)

[KevinP85]

I don't care about stats. Montana, Bradshaw, Young etc... had worse "stats" but were much better players and decision makers.

Add Aikman to that list as well

[polychronopolous]

At the end of the day, who gives a fuck! Better, probably, but how many superbowl rings does Emmitt have and how many does Barry have. Exactly!! End of discussion.

Exactly.

And don't forget that Troy Aikman won 90 football games in the 1990's making him the most winning Quarterback of any decade, not to mention he is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in NFL history as well.

I'll take that any day.

[CalvinH]

Exactly.

And don't forget that Troy Aikman won 90 football games in the 1990's making him the most winning Quarterback of any decade, not to mention he is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in NFL history as well.

I'll take that any day.

Hated him as I'm Gmen fan but he got it done.

[KevinP85]

Exactly.

And don't forget that Troy Aikman won 90 football games in the 1990's making him the most winning Quarterback of any decade, not to mention he is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in NFL history as well.

I'll take that any day.

Exactly, me too. Same with Eli as well, decent/average quarterback with a ring and Marino, nothing, hahaha

[pumpster]

Lifetime acheivements


Most consecutive starts by a quarterback

Most wins by a quarterback in the regular season

Most career passing touchdowns

Most career passing yards.

End of discussion.

Wrong


Most career interceptions.

Longest continuing drama.

[body88]

Did you read the first post in the thread?

Did I ever say he was in the same world as Marino and Montana?

Perhaps a remedial class in reading comprehension would be in order for you?

You cited all Farves records after I called him OVERREATED.  Those records have to be directly compared to the greatest qb's off all time.  If Farve is the not in the same world as Marino or Montana, but he has all the big records, what is he?  Overrated, and the product of a very long career.  Which one of Farves three pics was your favorite today?  He loves to do that in the big games. 

[pumpster]

Yeah you really destroyed my arguement with that point
 

That's not a minor detail genius.

[polychronopolous]

I love when guys pull the "he only has those stats because he played so long"

They like to use that line against guys like Brett Favre and Kareem Abdul Jabar, but it's like "Fuck man, the guy played 18, 20, 22 seasons"... year in year out in the top leagues in their respective sports, fighting off incoming 22 year olds who want their job to accomplish those stats.

That in itself is so impressive that it goes without saying.

[pumpster]

I love when guys pull the "he only has those stats because he played so long"

They like to use that line against guys like Brett Favre and Kareem Abdul Jabar, but it's like "Fuck man, the guy played 18, 20, 22 seasons"... year in year out in the top leagues in their respective sports, fighting off incoming 22 year olds who want their job to accomplish those stats.

That in itself is so impressive that it goes without saying.

Actually if you knew the game better you'd know that Fran Tarkenton & Warrne Moon also had impressive stats. Cute details for superficial fans like you.

[polychronopolous]

That's not a minor detail genius.

You had better be a damn good quarterback to be in the top 5 all time interception category.

That's alot of balls thrown.

[polychronopolous]

Actually if you knew the game better you'd know that Fran Tarkenton & Warrne Moon also had impressive stats. Cute details for superficial fans like you.

Yeah, you're right, I was not aware that Tarkenton and Moon had great stats.

Another solid argument. You got me there, I don't even know who those guys are, did they play football as well?

[mass 04]

You had better be a damn good quarterback to be in the top 5 all time interception category.

That's alot of balls thrown.

Tetaverdee is top 5 in INT's. He's not "damn good".

[knny187]

PACMAN

[polychronopolous]

Tetaverdee is top 5 in INT's. He's not "damn good".

Sixth all time in yards, ninth all time in touchdowns. played well into his 40's.

Yeah, pretty damn good.

[Tre]

Favre has always been the same QB.  Love him or hate him, he can make a play that makes your jaw drop or he can make one that makes you shake your head.  What will always separate him was/is his sheer joy of playing.  How many QB's jawed with DT's who sacked him the way Favre did with Sapp, for example?  He always gave his team a chance to win, which is all you can ask.

It is time for him to retire.  Don't want to be remembered as a hanger-on.  Go out having turned the Jets into a winner and watching the Packers win 6 games after you lead them to 13 the year before with virtually the exact same roster.

Great QB, but his time has passed.

Fuckin' ay. 

I just figured out who you are. 

Well done, I must say.

[polychronopolous]

I'll just say this -- he won 3 consecutive MVP award. No one else in the history of the game has done that.

It's one thing to be the most important guy in, arguable, the most team-oriented sport going today. It's quite another to be that man 3 years in a row during the 90s when you had players like Aikman, Sanders, Emmit Smith, Steve Young, Jerry Rice....all of whom are listed amongst the greatest who ever played their respective positions. Yet, it was always Favre who won.

So no, winning 3 MVPs doesn't go to over-rated players.

Take this into account to, for all those who say "he just played a long time". You get into the Hall of Fame by doing three things:

1. Be dominant at your position when you played
2. Win games for your team more often than those who play your position on another team
3. Do it for a long time

Favre did all three, arguably, better than almost anyone. Did Marino win more games than Favre? I won't argue Brett is better than Dan, but look at win-share games. Favre wins more. And he did it for a long time.

Favre is one of the top 5 quarterbacks to ever play, IMO.

It's like this for my list:

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Marino
4. Favre
5. Elway

Honorable Mention: Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Bart Starr, Staubach

Great, great, great points.

It's refreshing to actually have someone who can come up with solid, concrete evidence.

[The Showstoppa]

I just figured out who you are. 

Whatcha' talking about?

[HDPhysiques]

Add Aikman to that list as well

Aikman had killer accuracy in his day, and a solid arm.
Brady = seriously overrated.  Product of the system.

[GroinkTropin]

all im saying is barry sanders is the best running back to ever play the game !

Bo Jackson.

[Tre]

Aikman had killer accuracy in his day, and a solid arm.
Brady = seriously overrated.  Product of the system.

Aikman was a lot better than most anti-Cowboys (I was one of them) ever gave him credit for.  He did exactly what he needed to, he led by example, and he won games...and championships.

Brady seems like a heady guy.  But one cannot help but to think that much of his success came as a result of what the NFL has defined as cheating.

The question no one is asking: is the injury to Brady and the Patriots missing the playoffs this year just another example of karma?     

[Joel_A]

Aikman was a lot better than most anti-Cowboys (I was one of them) ever gave him credit for.  He did exactly what he needed to, he led by example, and he won games...and championships.

Brady seems like a heady guy.  But one cannot help but to think that much of his success came as a result of what the NFL has defined as cheating.

The question no one is asking: is the injury to Brady and the Patriots missing the playoffs this year just another example of karma?     

Aikman never had 30 td's in a season. Think about that.
He's a good qb but not even close to great.

*His best season was in 92 when he threw for 23 tds. That is laughable in today's standards. He does not belong in the HoF.

[The Showstoppa]

Aikman never had 30 td's in a season. Think about that.
He's a good qb but not even close to great.

*His best season was in 92 when he threw for 23 tds. That is laughable in today's standards. He does not belong in the HoF.

Neither did Bradshaw.  28 was his highest.  Does he belong in the HOF?

[QuakerOats]

Aikman never had 30 td's in a season. Think about that.
He's a good qb but not even close to great.

*His best season was in 92 when he threw for 23 tds. That is laughable in today's standards. He does not belong in the HoF.

3 Super Bowl rings say otherwise.