Author Topic: "Brett Favre" (Read 25455 times)

mass 04 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:41:45 PM »

Aikman was THE QB of the 90's IMO. His career ended early, so his "stats" don't tell the whole story.

Joel_A · « **Reply #51 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:42:35 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on December 28, 2008, 07:39:44 PM

3 Super Bowl rings say otherwise.

trent dilfer has 1. does that mean he's better than marino?

superbowls mean shit as far as individual stats go.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #52 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:44:03 PM »

Elway's highest TD season was only 27. No HOF?

Joel_A · « **Reply #53 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:44:06 PM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on December 28, 2008, 07:39:19 PM

Neither did Bradshaw. 28 was his highest. Does he belong in the HOF?

no (and i know ill get flak for this)
but the steelers as a team deserves to be one of the best teams of all time.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #54 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:45:02 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:42:35 PM

trent dilfer has 1. does that mean he's better than marino?

superbowls mean shit as far as individual stats go.

hahahahahhaaa, you're not honestly comparing Dilfer to Aikman are you?

Joel_A · « **Reply #55 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:45:24 PM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on December 28, 2008, 07:44:03 PM

Elway's highest TD season was only 27. No HOF?

elway had lots of td's and yards. he deserves to be in there.

also helps to have mccaffrey, terrell davis, and shannon sharpe on your side, plus a killer defense headed by lynch.

mass 04 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:46:10 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:42:35 PM

trent dilfer has 1. does that mean he's better than marino?

superbowls mean shit as far as individual stats go.

You can't judge a player solely on stats. Look at some of the guys with huge career stats; Bledsoe, Testaverdee etc.. are they better than Montana, Young, Aikman, Graham etc...

Joel_A · « **Reply #57 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:46:32 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on December 28, 2008, 07:45:02 PM

hahahahahhaaa, you're not honestly comparing Dilfer to Aikman are you?

no, not at all. dilfer had a great defense with him. aikman had a GREAT team, especially his O-line.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #58 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:47:35 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:45:24 PM

elway had lots of td's and yards. he deserves to be in there.

also helps to have mccaffrey, terrell davis, and shannon sharpe on your side, plus a killer defense headed by lynch.

Lynch didn't get there until after Elway was gone.

Joel_A · « **Reply #59 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:48:36 PM »

Quote from: mass 04 on December 28, 2008, 07:46:10 PM

You can't judge a player solely on stats. Look at some of the guys with huge career stats; Bledsoe, Testaverdee etc.. are they better than Montana, Young, Aikman, Graham etc...

montana himself has said that if himn and marino had role reversals, marino wouldve been winning those superbowls. stats just show pure individual talent. if the rest of your teammates suck, you can only go so far.

marino almost did it by himself in 84.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #60 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:48:41 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:45:24 PM

elway had lots of td's and yards. he deserves to be in there.

also helps to have mccaffrey, terrell davis, and shannon sharpe on your side, plus a killer defense headed by lynch.

Ummm, Elway retired 6 years before Lynch arrived in Denver.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #61 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:50:36 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:48:36 PM

montana himself has said that if himn and marino had role reversals, marino wouldve been winning those superbowls. stats just show pure individual talent. if the rest of your teammates suck, you can only go so far.

marino almost did it by himself in 84.

exaggerating again about Marino, he had one of the greatest WR tandems in the history of the game in Duper and Clayton.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #62 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:50:46 PM »

You want to talk about a great QB as far as numbers, but who never gets a mention...the great Dan Fouts!

Joel_A · « **Reply #63 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:50:59 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on December 28, 2008, 07:47:35 PM

Lynch didn't get there until after Elway was gone.

romanowski okay with you? hes pretty good, yeah?

all this info crunching can get to me sometimes. im no john clayton but i do know quite a lot.

Joel_A · « **Reply #64 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:53:09 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on December 28, 2008, 07:50:36 PM

exaggerating again about Marino, he had one of the greatest WR tandems in the history of the game in Duper and Clayton.

how are they great when they are not even in the hall of fame? i agree they are good, but come on, aikman had irvin and novacek. montana had rice and clark. marino had oh yeah duper and clayton. they dont compare.

Joel_A · « **Reply #65 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:54:07 PM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on December 28, 2008, 07:50:46 PM

You want to talk about a great QB as far as numbers, but who never gets a mention...the great Dan Fouts!

i agree. one guy he had was winslow sr. thats it.

all he is remembered by is that long game against miami in the orange bowl.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #66 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:55:39 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:53:09 PM

how are they great when they are not even in the hall of fame? i agree they are good, but come on, aikman had irvin and novacek. montana had rice and clark. marino had oh yeah duper and clayton. they dont compare.

look up their #'s, they're right up there with Stallworth/Swann, Bruce/Holt, Rice/Taylor, Carter/Moss, Monk/Brown or any of them.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #67 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:56:35 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:54:07 PM

i agree. one guy he had was inslow sr. thats it.

all he is remembered by is that long game against miami in the orange bowl.

Oh yeah, one of the best games ever. I was so fired up as a kid, but then they had to play in zero weather at Cincy the next week. Got smoked.

Fouts did have some good weapons though. Winslow, Joiner, Chandler, J. Jefferson, Muncie, Brooks, etc...

the defense sucked ass!

Joel_A · « **Reply #68 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:57:19 PM »

Quote from: snx on December 28, 2008, 07:54:19 PM

Come on man. You don't believe that? If you did, why didn't Cassel take them to the playoffs? Why wasn't their division record stronger than it was?

Cheating...just a bunch of BS media hooplah. Like Bellichick did anything every other coach is doing. Spare me.

I'm not a Pats fan, but that wasn't cheating.

And though an 11-5 mark proves that the team isn't all-Brady, they can't win the big one without him.

theyve never been all brady. he didnt really have a SUPERB year until randy moss came to town.

he was great, though, considering he only had so-so receivers for the longest time.
plus vinatieri bailed that whole team for a long time.

Tre · « **Reply #69 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »

Quote from: snx on December 28, 2008, 07:54:19 PM

Come on man. You don't believe that? If you did, why didn't Cassel take them to the playoffs? Why wasn't their division record stronger than it was?

Cheating...just a bunch of BS media hooplah. Like Bellichick did anything every other coach is doing. Spare me.

I'm not a Pats fan, but that wasn't cheating.

And though an 11-5 mark proves that the team isn't all-Brady, they can't win the big one without him.

I like Cassel, and 11-5 is a record I'd love for my team to have. If the Raiders were 11-5, tonite's San Diego-Denver game wouldn't mean shit! lol

Joel_A · « **Reply #70 on:** December 28, 2008, 07:59:40 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on December 28, 2008, 07:55:39 PM

look up their #'s, they're right up there with Stallworth/Swann, Bruce/Holt, Rice/Taylor, Carter/Moss, Monk/Brown or any of them.

they were definitely good. but out of all those receiver tandems you posted, where would you rank duper/clayton?

exactly.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #71 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Tre on December 28, 2008, 07:58:26 PM

I like Cassel, and 11-5 is a record I'd love for my team to have. If the Raiders were 11-5, tonite's San Diego-Denver game wouldn't mean shit! lol

Poor Raiders fan, huh? Sorry about that. My brother is too.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #72 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:00:26 PM »

Quote from: Joel_A on December 28, 2008, 07:59:40 PM

they were definitely good. but out of all those receiver tandems you posted, where would you rank duper/clayton?

exactly.

i would rank them right up there among the best.

Joel_A · « **Reply #73 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:02:43 PM »

Quote from: snx on December 28, 2008, 07:59:17 PM

I think he belongs in the HOF. I don't think he deserved to go as early as he did.

The same thing will happen in baseball. Jeter will go in first ballot HOF, even though he's not the greatest infielder of his era.

Some guys are just media darlings that remain untouchable. Aikman was one of those guys. Peyton Manning is another -- they are untouchable, and they would have to be caught throwing kittens from atop the Empire State Building in the nude for anyone to believe differently.

thats whats its all about really. being a media darling.

you hit the nail in the head with Jeter.
Manning can actually play.

Joel_A · « **Reply #74 on:** December 28, 2008, 08:05:50 PM »

all im saying is since football is considered by many as the ultimate TEAM sport, wins shouldnt be attributed to ONE single player.

if you are gonna go by individual talent, you CANNOT use wins as a stat. only individual sports can get away with that (boxing, wrestling, golf, tennis, etc)