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« on: December 31, 2008, 06:44:21 PM »

I feel bad sometimes, like I'm ripping someone off.  Undecided
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 06:45:01 PM »

why. they make millions anyways...
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 07:05:22 PM »

Yeah, those musicians and authors are starving in their mansions with champagne on the double served by some British Butler.

All file sharing is simply sharing amongst fans of a chosen line. The reason Metallica is so popular is because of file sharing through torrents that allowed all kinds of people to hear their music, despite them being to uptight about it.

What these pussies are doing is further stripping us of our freedoms for their all out of selfishness. The thing is that lack of file sharing wont always lead to higher revenues.

Look, if I have something and want to share it with people, who's to stop me? It's natural and if these idiots have problems with it then fuck them. Fuck them for not adopting with the times. Fuck them for being near socialists druggies who need to find excuses to meet the decline in the quality of their music(Metallica).
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 07:06:36 PM »

Yeah, those musicians and authors are starving in their mansions with champagne on the double served by some British Butler.

All file sharing is simply sharing amongst fans of a chosen line. The reason Metallica is so popular is because of file sharing through torrents that allowed all kinds of people to hear their music, despite them being to uptight about it.

What these pussies are doing is further stripping us of our freedoms for their all out of selfishness. The thing is that lack of file sharing wont always lead to higher revenues.

Look, if I have something and want to share it with people, who's to stop me? It's natural and if these idiots have problems with it then fuck them. Fuck them for not adopting with the times. Fuck them for being near socialists druggies who need to find excuses to meet the decline in the quality of their music(Metallica).

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 07:10:03 PM »

I can't decide if it's stealing, where do you draw the line between sharing and stealing?
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2008, 07:10:31 PM »

it ain't stealin' if you feel guilty
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2008, 07:46:25 PM »

The reason Metallica is so popular is because of file sharing through torrents that allowed all kinds of people to hear their music, despite them being to uptight about it.

False. Metallica was popular long before the Internet came around, selling out arenas and making gold records -- all without radio play. It was a huge deal when they decided to produce a video for the song One.

As much as I'm severely disappointed with their latest music, I still supported their decision to go after Napster.

Their business is music. Why should they "give" it away for free? They got popular through years of hard work and touring.

As much as I like the Internet, fuck the idea of every damn thing being for free.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 07:52:17 PM »

False. Metallica was popular long before the Internet came around, selling out arenas and making gold records -- all without radio play. It was a huge deal when they decided to produce a video for the song One.

As much as I'm severely disappointed with their latest music, I still supported their decision to go after Napster.

Their business is music. Why should they "give" it away for free? They got popular through years of hard work and touring.

As much as I like the Internet, fuck the idea of every damn thing being for free.

Fool, now they are popular in old Soviet blocks and third world nations.

Remember, your idea of "popular" is not the same in international terms. Now Metallica enjoys popularity even amongst the shiteist of demographics, which wasn't true when they burnt out in '92 or so.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 08:00:23 PM »

lol I can't believe ppl even talk about metallica, look at the top 100 songs on itunes, they don't have 1 LOL, they are so old, let them go already.

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 08:09:39 PM »

camel jockey, how old are you? I'm 38. My Metallica knowledge comes from experiencing it firsthand, not reading about it years later on the Internet. Trust me, they were popular worldwide long before the Internet came around.

They really don't need their stuff being shared online for free to get any more popular. Which brings us back to what this thread is really about anyway -- sharing content over the Internet. If the creator or artist of the content didn't intend for it to be free, then it's called stealing. It doesn't matter that it's so easy to do via the Internet.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 08:12:29 PM »

lol I can't believe ppl even talk about metallica, look at the top 100 songs on itunes, they don't have 1 LOL, they are so old, let them go already.

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There you have it. Their time has indeed come and gone as newer, more aggressive bands in the metal genre have taken their place. File sharing can't help Metallica. Don't get me wrong, they forged the way for many bands, I love their old stuff and they still rock live, but their new music is in a different league compared to their old stuff which is classic metal.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 08:15:25 PM »

camel jockey, how old are you? I'm 38. My Metallica knowledge comes from experiencing it firsthand, not reading about it years later on the Internet. Trust me, they were popular worldwide long before the Internet came around.

They really don't need their stuff being shared online for free to get any more popular. Which brings us back to what this thread is really about anyway -- sharing content over the Internet. If the creator or artist of the content didn't intend for it to be free, then it's called stealing. It doesn't matter that it's so easy to do via the Internet.

Now people in other nations have easier access and there for better appreciation of Metallica. Your comparing it to before is laughable. You telling me that people who never had computers before or never had the luxury of a CD player could enjoy Kill 'Em All? Nope, sorry, they couldn't, but now thanks to file sharing and spreading of the PC everywhere, they can, and that is what you fail to understand.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2008, 08:18:51 PM »

Now people in other nations have easier access and there for better appreciation of Metallica. Your comparing it to before is laughable. You telling me that people who never had computers before or never had the luxury of a CD player could enjoy Kill 'Em All? Nope, sorry, they couldn't, but now thanks to file sharing and spreading of the PC everywhere, they can, and that is what you fail to understand.

what you fail to understand is that those people who didnt have the luxury of cd players probably dont have the luxary of computers so the internet isnt really making their lives easier.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2008, 08:37:01 PM »

How often do record companies expect us to buy the same piece of music?  If you bought an album they put out a cassette tape; if you buy a cassette tape they put out a CD; now they are selling digital downloads.  And each time they change formats they raise the price.

Granted Iím rationalizing, but Iím not buying music anymore.  The last CD I bought was in 2001, but I download/share music almost every day.  I would have no qualms about sharing a CD with a friend of mine so he could copy/rip it; file sharing is the same thing.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 08:51:24 PM »

How often do record companies expect us to buy the same piece of music?  If you bought an album they put out a cassette tape; if you buy a cassette tape they put out a CD; now they are selling digital downloads.  And each time they change formats they raise the price.

Granted Iím rationalizing, but Iím not buying music anymore.  The last CD I bought was in 2001, but I download/share music almost every day.  I would have no qualms about sharing a CD with a friend of mine so he could copy/rip it; file sharing is the same thing.



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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2008, 09:07:42 PM »

I think the issue should be settled otherwise, through royalties from the internet providers.

I would definitely be prepared to pay a little more per month on my internet access if it meant that artists would get paid.

That would mean the end of the record companies.

Perhaps that's why they're fighting the filesharers so hard. Cool

FWIW, I also think the filesharing has made artists more dependent on their revenues from concerts, and thus performing better live.

Very seldom do you hear about bands not showing up on time or sub-par performances.

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2008, 11:19:25 PM »

File sharing will save humanity
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2008, 11:24:24 PM »

I think the issue should be settled otherwise, through royalties from the internet providers.

I would definitely be prepared to pay a little more per month on my internet access if it meant that artists would get paid.

That would mean the end of the record companies.


Perhaps that's why they're fighting the filesharers so hard. Cool

FWIW, I also think the filesharing has made artists more dependent on their revenues from concerts, and thus performing better live.

Very seldom do you hear about bands not showing up on time or sub-par performances.



I'd have no problem with that....
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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2009, 12:06:08 AM »

i use itunes and pay $1 per song.  Mainly because most of those free companies like limewire, bearshare, winmx, etc kept installing bullshit on my computer Sad
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2009, 12:18:54 AM »

I use itunes too, mainly because I don't want to be one of those unlucky people who gets sued by the RIAA for a ridiculous amount of money.

The RIAA has officially ended personal suits now and has targeted ISP companies with complying, so you don't need to worry, except your ISP will warn you if you share A LOT.  Also you can find songs not on bearshare or limewire by using torrents like isohunt and look for specific albums etc.

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2009, 12:22:51 AM »

I use itunes too, mainly because I don't want to be one of those unlucky people who gets sued by the RIAA for a ridiculous amount of money.
You don't need to worry.

You can always claim to have an open WLAN. Then everyone can get access to your router and it's impossible to tell who did the d/l.
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2009, 12:24:40 AM »

You don't need to worry.

You can always claim to have an open WLAN. Then everyone can get access to your router and it's impossible to tell who did the d/l.


Yes.....  my SSID is "linksys".  WEP?? What's that?
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« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2009, 12:59:17 AM »

Actually Metallica got their foot in the door thanks to demo trading that kids used to do all the time back in the days.  Pretty similar to a kid going on soulseek and checking out an album and than paying to see that band live.  If it weren't for file sharing I wouldn't know of half the bands that I support by seeing them live on a regular basis.
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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2009, 02:12:39 AM »

iTunes here too. Pick and choosing songs is where it at. I rarely buy full albums now.
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2009, 06:25:27 AM »


You've got a great point.  As far as I'm concerned, if I've paid for an album once, I've bought the rights to "fair (personal) use" of that music for all time.  If I download from Limewire a song I bought on vinyl in 1979, I do not consider that "stealing".  (And probably neither would a court, if I could somehow conclusively prove I paid for it in 1979).  The problem comes in where someone downloads something they've never paid for to begin with, and has no intention of paying for in the future.

That is how I justified my file sharing--back then.  When I started file sharing back in the day I began by with songs/albums that I already owned on vinyl and cassette.  I have to admit though that these days I most often download files I have never paid for and have no intention of buying in the future.  Embarrassed

Downloading/file sharing/stealing music is probably the most unethical thing I do on a regular basis. Cry
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