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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 06:11:54 PM »
Platz used to do hacks like that.  He had some pretty good legs...
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2009, 06:17:37 PM »
Platz used to do hacks like that.  He had some pretty good legs...

Yes, genetics will do that for you.  Lots of guys lift heavy, but few look like Ronnie Coleman.  Platz would still have had legendary legs if he only did squats and hammie curls.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2009, 06:21:01 PM »
Look at the video he is on his toes changes the mechanics of the movement.

You ARE supposed to do the movement on your toes, so he isn't doing anything new or unusual








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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2009, 06:30:06 PM »
You ARE supposed to do the movement on your toes, so he isn't doing anything new or unusual









Lol I know you are suppose to. I was saying to people who thought it was a bad movement that it is not so bad.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2009, 06:32:58 PM »
You ARE supposed to do the movement on your toes, so he isn't doing anything new or unusual


This is a "usual" exercise at your gym? Must be some serious wheels in that place! :o

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2009, 06:34:16 PM »
Lol I know you are suppose to. I was saying to people who thought it was a bad movement that it is not so bad.

Haha my bad! I see how you meant it now.

This is a "usual" exercise at your gym? Must be some serious wheels in that place! :o

Never said it's a usual movement in my gym - I am probably the only guy who does it. And it's no different than any other exercise - doing it isn't going to give you legs that you could never have otherwise. Just saying that it's not a stupid exercise / ridiculous form like a lot of the guys who didn't know about it seem to think it is.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2009, 06:59:05 PM »
why do so many fucktards think dc training is the be all end all of bodybuilding, it's not fucking magic, just train hard and heavy with decent form and eat a lot of good, clean food and you will build muscle.

Arnold and Franco didn't do all this widow maker, D umb C unt training and they seemed to do just fine

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2009, 07:03:20 PM »
What was the time frame in between these two pictures?  I doubt one or two exercises is going to make that much of a difference.

2005 and a year and a half later in 2007......its an exercise I have people do called high pulls.
I do alot of weird exercises for people with lagging bodyparts (and i started to go into a very detailed description of all this lagging bodypart training and how I do it right here....and then I realized it was Getbig and noone probably really cares anyway and it would just get ripped on so why am I taking time to write it up....LOL)

For those that doubt it, take a look at the arms and legs.....look dramatically different to you? Now look at the back. Thats what we worked on. And I could do that to any person in this forum who has weak arms, chest, whatever it is......

You also have to understand Justin and I are friends and I listen to his advice and he listens to mine.....alot of ego's in this sport feel they are beyond "taking a new different approach"..... and I applaud Justin for listening to me on this.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2009, 07:06:06 PM »
2005 and a year and a half later in 2007......its an exercise I have people do called high pulls.
I do alot of weird exercises for people with lagging bodyparts (and i started to go into a very detailed description of all this lagging bodypart training and how I do it right here....and then I realized it was Getbig and noone probably really cares anyway and it would just get ripped on so why am I taking time to write it up....LOL)

For those that doubt it, take a look at the arms and legs.....look dramatically different to you? Now look at the back. Thats what we worked on. And I could do that to any person in this forum who has weak arms, chest, whatever it is......

You also have to understand Justin and I are friends and I listen to his advice and he listens to mine.....alot of ego's in this sport feel they are beyond "taking a new different approach"..... and I applaud Justin for listening to me on this.

Terrific improvement on your back man, props. So am I right in understanding that you did a variation of the seated cable row where you were folded about your hips and did everything else the same? How is that much different from doing a lat pull down? Just curious. Please explain.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2009, 07:06:18 PM »
why do so many fucktards think dc training is the be all end all of bodybuilding, it's not fucking magic, just train hard and heavy with decent form and eat a lot of good, clean food and you will build muscle.

Arnold and Franco didn't do all this widow maker, D umb C unt training and they seemed to do just fine

Totally agree.....and thats why I really want people to train the way they want to train....the best form of training there is for a person is something they enjoy doing and totally believe in.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2009, 07:07:26 PM »
Terrific improvement on your back man, props. So am I right in understanding that you did a variation of the seated cable row where you were folded about your hips and did everything else the same? How is that much different from doing a lat pull down? Just curious. Please explain.

Let me see if I can find a youtube video of one of my trainee's doing it correctly....

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2009, 07:10:26 PM »
Let me see if I can find a youtube video of one of my trainee's doing it correctly....
Hey man,

What is ur opinion on Calf training? All genetics?

Do u have genetically blessed calves?

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2009, 07:19:50 PM »
Let me see if I can find a youtube video of one of my trainee's doing it correctly....



Thats real close to what I like done.....the only thing I would change is I would like him to pause in the stretched position for 2 seconds and really push the stretch before pulling the rep over his knee's again.

I found something I wrote on it many years back....Ill cut and paste it.

Pulley row high pulls--this is going to be a pain in my ass to explain but lets see if i can do it--god its so much easier showing someone these in person. First up--do you know that position that is at the bottom of a stiff leg deadlift if you do it very deep (some people dont)--remember that position because that is key here ok?
Ok-Your on a seated cable row with a close grip parallel handle--your legs are slightly bent--your aiming for the greatest amount of stretch possible at the very beginning of the pull ok so remember that you should be in that "position" above or close to it (I talked about earlier) thruout this whole movement. With your back rounded and you leaning forward (huge stretch) you pull the handle to right about 3 inches above the kneecaps, thats it. At no point do you stick your chest out and arch your back and pull the handle into your midsection and sit straight up as in a seated pulley row, what you do instead is flare your lats at the stretch at the very beginning and keep your lats flared till you pull right over your kneecaps and then control the return to the stretch and repeat. Because your bent forward in a position that doesnt put your back in a precarious safety position you will have no worries with a rounded back. I guess a simple way i could describe it is
a)huge stretch at beginning
b)do half a pulley row movement but dont lean your torso backward or arch your back--keep it stabilized maybe only moving a few inches backwards the whole movement
c)keep your lats flared outwards the whole way thru and dont crunch your scapula together--pull with your lats and pull the handle 2-3 inches over your kneecaps and return.....you will not be using the weight you use on seated pulley rows so wipe that from your memory banks


I have people start out with 20-30 reps straight on this and then over months of time the weight goes up and up and up and you try to keep the reps up there but they will come down over time.....if you start out at 100 pounds for 20-30 reps and over months and months of time end up 8 months later at 250 pounds at 15-16 reps......your back is going to have a dramatic difference in width, trust me on that.....the war with your logbook will take care of that.

****Some peoples pulley row machines in their gyms dont allow them to go into the full stretch because the cable is too long, absolutey defeats the purpose if thats the case and I wouldnt even do it in that situation or i would try to modify where you hook the handle if you can.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2009, 07:25:15 PM »
thats a neat idea...cool twist on the pulley rows...have to try that in a few days when i hit back again..

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2009, 07:28:40 PM »
thats a neat idea...cool twist the dick inside you...have to try that in a few days when i hit my boyfriends asshole up again..

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2009, 07:29:11 PM »
wasn't Vince Gironda doing that like 40 years ago?

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2009, 07:29:22 PM »


b)do half a pulley row movement

In the link above, the guy does what looks to be full reps-certainly on the first couple. Do you really feel there is much of a difference, maybe you think it's OK to play with the style while doing the set as well?
Interesting exercise, as I'm doing back tomorrow, I'll give it a shot.
With the way you're leaning over, it looks pretty much near impossible to get a full ROM really- and yes I realize that goes against what the first part of this post is about.

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2009, 07:32:08 PM »


Interesting, and cool seeing a dog inside the gym. Do you attribute the whole improvement to this one exercise alone? I will give it a try sometime.

I also remember Charles Glass talking about training Dennis James way back in the 90s when DJ just broke out into the pro ranks. Charles wanted to increase his lat width and he made DJ do a variation of a barbell row, where he was prone and resting on an incline ab sit up and rowing the barbell to the top of his chest, with his elbows perpendicular to the torso and parallel to the ground at the highest point of the row. Wonder how that would compare with this exercise of yours.

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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2009, 08:32:24 PM »
Interesting, and cool seeing a dog inside the gym. Do you attribute the whole improvement to this one exercise alone? I will give it a try sometime.

I also remember Charles Glass talking about training Dennis James way back in the 90s when DJ just broke out into the pro ranks. Charles wanted to increase his lat width and he made DJ do a variation of a barbell row, where he was prone and resting on an incline ab sit up and rowing the barbell to the top of his chest, with his elbows perpendicular to the torso and parallel to the ground at the highest point of the row. Wonder how that would compare with this exercise of yours.


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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2009, 08:35:23 PM »


That looks to be a much more effective and reasonable movement. Basically a close grip concentration pull down. Great way to stabilize the body and hit the lats/traps hard.


Points for originality.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2009, 08:37:21 PM »
A lot of people do a lot of different exercises. A lot of people also do a lot of other things. I'd like to type more, but I have a lot of things to do. 
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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2009, 03:42:41 AM »
If I could afford to have you as my trainer, Doggcrapp ... believe me, I would !

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2009, 03:48:19 AM »
Justing Harris is probably one of the strongest bb,s ever

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2009, 03:56:24 AM »
And im defenetly trying that movement, I can tell if would fcontract he back like crazy.

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Re: Doggcrapp transformation
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2009, 04:03:01 AM »
if i remember correctly, justin harris actually has a major, or a minor, in biomechanics. or something of that nature.   :)


anyway....   lets get real. after years of training , nobodies goign to make improvements like that in the back just by doing a new exercise.  maybe the widowmaker row helped, but, comeon... theres another much more important factor at work here.

QFT clearly he has discovered muscletech !

i'm not hating here dc, but surely he is also on higher dosages, has been pounding the protein down too for that year and a half. His erectors are bigger now too.

perhaps its simply this extra time and dosages that has had this effect rather than 100lb isolation rows  :-\
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