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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #100 on: October 06, 2010, 07:41:24 AM »
One woman created tens of thousands of jobs and has paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes, the other is a lifelong govt employee leeching off the system.

And now that Cali is in such a mess fiscally because of the bloated govt - these idiots are clamoring to put one of the architects of the mess back in power. 

This is the type of stupidity on display we have.   


Yes the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #101 on: October 06, 2010, 07:43:57 AM »

Yes the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Kazan - I believe we should divide the nation in 2 at point.  The makers who want to be left alone on one side, and the lazy takers and far left idiots on the other.  Let them destroy their own half and leave the rest of us alone. 

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #102 on: October 06, 2010, 07:45:27 AM »
Kazan - I believe we should divide the nation in 2 at point.  The makers who want to be left alone on one side, and the lazy takers and far left idiots on the other.  Let them destroy their own half and leave the rest of us alone. 

Wouldn't work, what exactly are the takers going to take when all the productive people are on the other side.
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #103 on: October 06, 2010, 07:46:45 AM »
Donations to Whitman undercut her no-special-interests claim
Reports show the Republican candidate has received more money from outside donors than has her Democratic rival, Jerry Brown, whom she paints as beholden to unions.
By Michael J. Mishak and Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times

Donors with business before the state and corporate leaders poured millions of dollars into Meg Whitman's campaign in the last three months, potentially undercutting her claim that her personal fortune makes her uniquely free of special-interest entanglements, campaign disclosure reports filed Tuesday show.

Whitman, the billionaire former chief executive of online auction house EBay, raised more money from outside donors than her Democratic rival, Jerry Brown, whom she has criticized heavily for his dependence on support from the state's public employee unions. Whitman pulled in more than $10.7 million from individuals, businesses and other groups to Brown's $9.5 million.

Although those figures don't tell the whole story — unions and other special interests separately spent a further $13.7 million supporting Brown through independent political committees not controlled by the candidate — they highlight that Brown is not the only one getting a big assist from wealthy individuals and groups. More than one out of every four dollars Whitman raised over the last three months came from someplace other than her personal fortune. Donors giving the maximum allowable $25,900 donation to Whitman while lobbying state government include Philip Morris, AT&T, the Western States Growers and Golden State Water Co.

Whitman has support from at least one union – she has been the beneficiary of a $450,000 independent expenditure campaign by the Los Angeles Police Protective League, which represents LAPD officers. Whitman has proposed tough controls on public pensions, but less stringent changes for law enforcement officers.

Whitman downplays the significance of her outside donors, arguing that their contributions pale in comparison with the record-breaking $119 million she has poured into the race. She gave herself $28 million during the reporting period.

"What I see is people from all different industries, all different parts of California want to invest in a new vision of California," she told reporters after a San Francisco campaign event last month. "Every one of my donors says, 'We want you to do what you think is right for the people of California.' … If Jerry Brown is elected governor, there will be a meeting, and it will be the public employee unions coming to collect their IOUs for having completely funded his campaign. So it's completely different."

The prominent contributions to her campaign from companies with business before the state could undercut that argument, some political observers say. "She had a chance before to make a claim that she was the cleaner candidate," said Thad Kousser, a political scientist at UC San Diego. "She could be trading away the potential advantage her own fortune has given her."

Brown faces criticism for his reliance on organized labor as well as business. He raised maximum contributions from several unions, including the AFL-CIO in Washington, and received large campaign checks from Indian gambling groups, which he oversees as the state's attorney general.

In addition, Brown also got substantial support from companies and wealthy individuals in the entertainment industry. He received $5,000 from Paramount Pictures Group, $10,000 from DreamWorks CEO Stacey Snider, as well as donations from actors Sean Penn, Kate Capshaw, producer Norman Lear and singer Barbra Streisand.

Companies that gave to Brown include Qualcomm Inc., Direct TV, E & J Gallo Winery, Young's Market, AT&T, and GTECH, which is paid tens of millions of dollars to provide the California Lottery with software support, equipment and other services.

On the expenditure side, Whitman's campaign vastly outspent Brown and his allies, sinking most of the nearly $40 million spent during the reporting period into a barrage of blistering TV spots seeking to define Brown as a career politician and tax-and-spend liberal. One ad featured footage of candidate Bill Clinton flaying Brown in a 1992 presidential debate over the former two-term California governor's tax record. The CNN report upon which Clinton relied has since been proved inaccurate and the former president has endorsed Brown.

Whitman spent at least $13 million on production costs and airtime for TV and radio ads in September alone. By comparison, Brown spent $10 million during the entire three-month period, with most of it going to TV ads last month, partly to combat the Clinton spot and to portray Whitman as a wealthy executive whose policies would enrich the elite while hurting the middle class.

Labor unions carried Brown's message throughout much of the summer. The biggest effort was the $6.5 million spent by California Working Families, a group whose money comes from donors, including more than $1 million each from the California Professional Firefighters Assn. and the State Building and Construction Trades Council.

According to recent polling the race is a close heat, with many voters in the undecided column and negative perceptions of the candidates on the rise.

Labor's push over the summer on Brown's behalf represented the largest role yet that outside committees have played in a gubernatorial election.

"It's the culmination of what's been building up for a while — the outsourcing of a campaign, especially the most negative parts," Kousser said. "If you don't have to fund the attack ads and take responsibility for them, that's the best of both worlds for the candidate. It's also the most worrying thing for people concerned about campaign finance reform."

Whitman had $9 million in cash on hand at the end of the period, compared with Brown's $22.5 million.

In the contest for state attorney general, Los Angeles County Dist.Atty. Steve Cooley, a Republican, held a slight edge in campaign fundraising over San Francisco Dist.Atty. Kamala Harris, the Democrat in the race. Cooley raised $2.1 million during the last three months and had $1.7 million in the bank on Sept. 30. Harris raised $1.8 million and ended the period with $1.3 million in the bank.

The backers of an initiative to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in California are leading in campaign funding over opponents as of Sept. 30.

The "Yes on Prop. 19 Tax Cannabis 2010'' committee reported spending $842,946 so far this year and having $67,467 left in the bank Sept. 30. Major donors include S.K. Seymour, a medical marijuana provider; Agramed; and Dale Gieringer, state director of the marijuana legalization group NORML.

The leading opposition group, "Public Safety First, No on Proposition 19,'' reported spending $199,000 this year after raising $158,400 and accumulating some unpaid bills. Leading donors to the group include the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians, which gave $25,000; the California Narcotics Officers Assn., which contributed $20,500; and the California Beer and Beverage Distributors, which put in $10,000.

Backers of Proposition 23, the ballot initiative to suspend California's global warming law, had raised $8.36 million as of Sept. 30, with the largest amount, $4.05 million, donated by Valero Services Inc. Valero, a San Antonio-based company, operates oil refineries and gas stations in California.

Opponents of Proposition 23 received an infusion of cash from venture capitalists, renewable energy companies, health groups and environmentalists, bringing total contributions to $12.6 million as of Sept. 30. The largest contributor is Thomas Steyer, the founder of Farallon Capital Management, a San Francisco hedge fund.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #104 on: October 06, 2010, 07:48:36 AM »
I really hope you morons vote for Brown and then the rest of us wall off CA and let you idiots live with the results.  It will be fun seeing the millions of rafts floating in the Pacific from taxpayers fleeing that mess.   

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2010, 07:56:08 AM »
They might need Snake Pliskin

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2010, 08:07:57 AM »
One woman created tens of thousands of jobs


Whitman
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40% of
Ebay jobs.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2010, 08:11:15 AM »
So?  How many did she create?    How much economic activity is directly attributed to her?  How many tens of thousdands of people created their own employment off of ebay? 

240 - you really have become a caricature of a deluded leftist. 

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2010, 08:13:56 AM »

Whitman
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40% of
Ebay jobs.

And doing so made ebay a very successful company. It's just not feasible for a lot of companies to keep 100% of jobs in this country these days. It's funny that people would rather the corporations go bankrupt (so the other 60% of American-based workers lose jobs) than stay competitive. Makes sense.  ::)

And that's a non-partisan point as both parties are doing a good job driving corporations out of this country.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2010, 08:15:41 AM »
And doing so made ebay a very successful company. It's just not feasible for a lot of companies to keep 100% of jobs in this country these days. It's funny that people would rather the corporations go bankrupt (so the other 60% of American-based workers lose jobs) than stay competitive. Makes sense.  ::)

we can make america a VERY successful country by exporting our entire tech sector to india, our entire mnfg sector to china, etc.

I mean... the companies would be doing AWESOME with the cheaper overseas wages.  Like you said, it's just not feasible to keep 100% of the jobs.  Maybe whitman can export 40% of cali jobs overseas.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2010, 08:16:11 AM »
Well part of the problem is the left doesn't seem to understand that companies are in business to make a profit, not guarantee employment, or healtcare plans. I often wonder how the left functions in the real world where no one gives a fuck about political correctness or hurting your feelings.

And if you want to look at why jobs are so easy to outsource to where ever you have to look no further than the federal government
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #111 on: October 06, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »
And if you want to look at why jobs are so easy to outsource to where ever you have to look no further than the federal government

should we remove the minimum wage?
this would allow american workers to earn a lot less, which would keep mnfg jobs here.  It just makes no economic sense to pay an american $8 an hour to make Nikes when you can pay a person $8 a DAY to do it overseas *or less

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #112 on: October 06, 2010, 08:20:04 AM »
we can make america a VERY successful country by exporting our entire tech sector to india, our entire mnfg sector to china, etc.

I mean... the companies would be doing AWESOME with the cheaper overseas wages.  Like you said, it's just not feasible to keep 100% of the jobs.  Maybe whitman can export 40% of cali jobs overseas.

This is a straw man. She outsourced 40% of the jobs (according to you). She did not outsource "our entire tech sector".

Your argumentative skills fucking blow lately. It's just word games with you.

But I see you'd rather ebay have gone bottoms up so that the other 60% of American employees lost their jobs. That's cool. Nice to know you want more Americans out of work.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2010, 08:21:17 AM »
This is a straw man. She outsourced 40% of the jobs (according to you). She did not outsource "our entire tech sector".

Your argumentative skills fucking blow lately. It's just word games with you.

But I see you'd rather ebay have gone bottoms up so that the other 60% of American employees lost their jobs. That's cool. Nice to know you want more Americans out of work.

so it's cool if she corrects Cali's economic woes and balances the state budget by slashing 40% of govt jobs?

(It might be true, I dunno... makes sense to me in an economic sense, but what do you do with all those workers then?)

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2010, 08:23:35 AM »
so it's cool if she corrects Cali's economic woes and balances the state budget by slashing 40% of govt jobs?

(It might be true, I dunno... makes sense to me in an economic sense, but what do you do with all those workers then?)

Well, given that California is on the verge of bankruptcy and it still has government employees making what, $700k doing menial tasks or some shit? 333 posted threads about it a month or two ago.

You, on the other hand, want someone to willingly bankrupt their company and put thousands of Americans out of work. Pretty despicable stuff, man. And you call yourself an American? :-\

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2010, 08:23:59 AM »
should we remove the minimum wage?
this would allow american workers to earn a lot less, which would keep mnfg jobs here.  It just makes no economic sense to pay an american $8 an hour to make Nikes when you can pay a person $8 a DAY to do it overseas *or less

I'm sorry but where did the federal government get the authority to set a minimum wage in the first place? Maybe you can explain to me why it is more cost effective to make a product overseas and import it than it is to make it here? I'll give a hint, government.
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2010, 08:28:19 AM »
I'm personally against min wage.  As are many of the tea party candidates. 

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2010, 08:30:57 AM »
I'm personally against min wage.  As are many of the tea party candidates. 

Because it's more government interference in the private sector, does flipping a burger really require that much skill to warrant 8/hr? I think not.
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« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2010, 08:33:22 AM »
Because it's more government interference in the private sector, does flipping a burger really require that much skill to warrant 8/hr? I think not.

yeah, i'm also against many forms of tenure too.  As a teacher, I saw many teachers with 20 years experience who were just awful.  New teachers with more time, energy and training couldn't get a job.  Once you work 3 years, you're guaranteed a job for 30 years - with annual raises.

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2010, 08:35:55 AM »
megs mexican vote=gone

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #120 on: October 06, 2010, 08:41:45 AM »
megs mexican vote=gone

This comment got to me, when I was growing up we were all Americans, over the last couple decades suddenly there we aren't just Americans anymore, but mexican-americans, africa-americans.........
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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #121 on: October 06, 2010, 08:44:03 AM »
This comment got to me, when I was growing up we were all Americans, over the last couple decades suddenly there we aren't just Americans anymore, but mexican-americans, africa-americans.........

The far left does not look at america that way.  They are consumed by quotas, race, affirmative action, set asides, welfare, divisrity, etc etc. 

They feed the flames of this bs daily. 

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« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2010, 08:59:22 AM »
This comment got to me, when I was growing up we were all Americans, over the last couple decades suddenly there we aren't just Americans anymore, but mexican-americans, africa-americans.........

Right...i think the same thing...Which is why i dont see race...we = Americans first...But some people want to Divide us and what not..I totally feel the same way

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Re: Ex-eBay CEO Whitman stirs up CA governor's race
« Reply #123 on: October 07, 2010, 07:26:48 AM »
SAN FRANCISCO BAY GUARDIAN RECOMMENDS
EDMUND G. BROWN for Governor


We have issues with Jerry Brown. The one-time environmental leader who left an admirable progressive legacy his first time in the governor's office (including the Agricultural Labor Relations Board, the California Conservation Corps, and the liberal Rose Bird Supreme Court) and who is willing to stand up and oppose the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant has become a centrist, tough-on-crime, no-new-taxes candidate. And his only solution to the state budget problems is to bring all the players together early and start talking.

But at least since he's started to debate Republican Meg Whitman face to face, he's showing some signs of life — and flashes of the old Jerry. He's strongly denouncing Whitman's proposal to wipe out capital gains taxes, reminding voters of the huge hole that would blow in the state budget — and the $5 billion windfall it would give to the rich. He's talking about suing Wall Street financial firms that cheated Californians. He's promoting green jobs and standing firm in support of the state's greenhouse-gas emissions limits.

For all his drawbacks (his insistence, for example, that the Legislature shouldn't raise any taxes without a statewide vote of the people), Brown is at least part of the reality-based community. He understands that further tax cuts for the rich won't solve California's problems. He knows that climate change is real. He's not great on immigration issues, but at least he's cognizant that 2 million undocumented immigrants live in California — and the state can't just arrest and deport them all.

Whitman is more than a conservative Republican. She's scary. The centerpiece of her economic platform calls for laying off 40,000 state employees — thereby greatly increasing the state's unemployment rate. Her tax plan would increase the state's deficit by another $5 billion just so that a tiny number of the richest taxpayers (including her) can keep more of their money. She's part of the nativist movement that wants to close the borders.

She's also one of the growing number of candidates who think personal wealth and private-sector business success translate to an ability to run a complex state government. That's a dangerous trend — Whitman has no political experience or background (until recently she didn't even vote) and will be overcome by the lobbyists in Sacramento.

This is a critically important election for California. Vote for Jerry Brown.

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« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2010, 07:30:10 AM »
The one-time environmental leader who left an admirable progressive legacy his first time in the governor's office (including the Agricultural Labor Relations Board, the California Conservation Corps, and the liberal Rose Bird Supreme Court) and who is willing to stand up and oppose the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant has become a centrist, tough-on-crime, no-new-taxes candidate. And his only solution to the state budget problems is to bring all the players together early and start talking.




No wonder our nation is fucked beyond repair with idiocy like this.