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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #125 on: March 01, 2009, 11:20:58 AM »
There many things that aren't right that are legal.  The problems is, these are happening anyway and in many instances police turn a blind to it.  For example in San Francisco, Massage Parlors are whore houses.  Everyone knows it and the police let it go on.  Hookers walk down streets in cities of 100K and every one knows what they are.  It continues undisturbed.  People routinely smoke pot at concerts, driving there car, in parking lots etc...

The point is, people will do what they want to their bodies regardless of the law.  And you are right, it's not right, but it will not stop. 

The are 33333 said, there are millions, if not billions spent on local and federal drug enforcement to stop something that will not be stopped.  Prohibition didn't work.  We should legalize and tax.

Like I said, and I am being 1000000% truthful in this, I have never smoked a joint in my life.  I personally enjoy Miller Lite instead. 

However, the government has created far more harm than good in the war on drugs and has created an expensive infrastructure of prisons, cops, parole officers, probation officers, prison guards, swat, DEA, FBI, etc that cost us $$$$$$$$ and only make the problem worse. 

In the name of the war on drugs, the govt has taken on powers that the founders themselves would start another revolution over.

I am coming to this from a practicle point of view, not a religious or conservative point of view.  The $$$$$$$ we spend is totally wasted. 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #126 on: March 01, 2009, 01:59:50 PM »
u just contradicted yourself...just wake up mctizzones?

what do u expect him to do trip out? u don't trip out on weed. H'es 100% dead on about the effects

maybe add paranoia to the list.
how did i contradict myself?

and the side effects that beach posted are dead on bro maybe not for everybody but in general those side effects are prevalent while smoking pot

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« Reply #127 on: March 01, 2009, 03:03:38 PM »
;D

funny shit.

I never saw this flick but now I'm thinking I might need to rent it

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #128 on: March 01, 2009, 04:25:56 PM »
how did i contradict myself?

and the side effects that beach posted are dead on bro maybe not for everybody but in general those side effects are prevalent while smoking pot

Speaking of side effects....

The legal drug, nicotine has a side effect of lung cancer. 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #129 on: March 01, 2009, 05:43:31 PM »
Speaking of side effects....

The legal drug, nicotine has a side effect of lung cancer. 
you think smoking marijuana is harmless?

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2009, 06:18:07 PM »
you think smoking marijuana is harmless?


In reality. It is pretty close to harmless.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2009, 06:34:00 PM »
you think smoking marijuana is harmless?

No, but it isn't near are harmful as smoking cigarettes, not even close.

Not near as harmful as bacon.

Not near as harmful as hard liquor.

If fact it's fairly harmless when used in moderation like anything else.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #132 on: March 01, 2009, 06:46:32 PM »
Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007

LONDON —  Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.

Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.

"The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.
 
Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.

Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.

They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.

They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.

For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.

The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.

One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.

Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.

"The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses — not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.

Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.

Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.

Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

"We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."

In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.

Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #133 on: March 01, 2009, 06:47:35 PM »
Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
Monday, February 09, 2009

AP

Marijuana use may increase the risk of developing testicular cancer, in particular a more aggressive form of the disease, according to a U.S. study published on Monday.

The study of 369 Seattle-area men ages 18 to 44 with testicular cancer and 979 men in the same age bracket without the disease found that current marijuana users were 70 percent more likely to develop it compared to nonusers.

The risk appeared to be highest among men who had reported smoking marijuana for at least 10 years, used it more than once a week or started using it before age 18, the researchers wrote in the journal Cancer.

Stephen Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, one of the researchers, said the study was the first to explore marijuana's possible association with testicular cancer.

"This is the first study to look at this question, and by itself is not definitive. And there's a lot more research that would have to be done in order to be more confident that marijuana use really is important in a man's risk of developing testicular cancer," Schwartz said in a telephone interview.

The study found the increased risk appeared to be in the form called nonseminoma testicular cancer. It accounts for 40 percent of cases and can be more aggressive and more difficult to treat, Schwartz said.

Experts are unsure about the causes of testicular cancer, which often strikes men in their 20s and 30s. The disease is seen more commonly in men who have had an undescended testicle or have a family history of testicular cancer.

The disease usually responds well to treatment and has a five-year survival rate of about 96 percent, according to the American Cancer Society.

About 8,000 men in the United States are diagnosed with testicular cancer per year, and there are about 140,000 U.S. men alive who have survived the disease, the group said.

The researchers said they were not sure what it was about marijuana that may raise the risk. Chronic marijuana use also can have effects on the male reproductive system including decreased sperm quality, they said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489866,00.html

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #134 on: March 01, 2009, 06:51:18 PM »
Marijuana's Adverse Effects

Could I become chemically dependent on marijuana?
Yes. When you’re chemically dependent on marijuana, it means you crave it and you need to use more and more to get the same effect. You may have withdrawal symptoms when you stop using it, such as depressed feelings, trouble sleeping or nausea. Because marijuana is a lot stronger now than it used to be, people are also more likely to abuse it and become dependent on it than they were in the past.

Is marijuana use associated with other drug use?
Yes. Many people use legal drugs like alcohol or cigarettes before they start using marijuana. Marijuana is the most commonly used illegal substance in the United States. It’s often the first illegal drug a person will try. Sometimes marijuana use leads to the use of other illegal drugs.

What are the common side effects of marijuana use?

The following are some of the common side effects of using marijuana:

    * Trouble remembering things
    * Slowed reaction time
    * Difficulty concentrating
    * Sleepiness
    * Anxiety
    * Paranoia (feeling that people are "out to get you")
    * Altered time perception
    * Red, bloodshot eyes

Using marijuana for a long time makes some people lose interest in school, work, relationships and other activities. It may also cause legal problems. Using marijuana can be especially dangerous in certain situations, such as when you are driving, because your reaction time is slower. This make it more difficult to react to a dangerous situation, which could cause an accident.

How can marijuana affect me physically?

The following are some of the common physical effects of marijuana:

    * Tremors (shaking)
    * Nausea
    * Headache
    * Decreased coordination
    * Breathing problems
    * Increased appetite
    * Reduced blood flow to the brain
    * Changes in the reproductive organs

Like tobacco, marijuana contains many chemicals that can hurt the lungs and cause cancer. One marijuana cigarette can cause more damage to the lungs than many tobacco cigarettes because marijuana has more tar in it and is usually smoked without filters.

http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/common/addictions/drugs/485.html

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #135 on: March 01, 2009, 07:06:43 PM »
Marijuana's Adverse Effects

Could I become chemically dependent on marijuana?
Yes. When you’re chemically dependent on marijuana, it means you crave it and you need to use more and more to get the same effect. You may have withdrawal symptoms when you stop using it, such as depressed feelings, trouble sleeping or nausea. Because marijuana is a lot stronger now than it used to be, people are also more likely to abuse it and become dependent on it than they were in the past.



It's true, Im smoking up to a pound of weed a day and hardly feel a thing.  ::)

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #136 on: March 01, 2009, 07:07:19 PM »
Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
Monday, February 09, 2009

AP

Marijuana use may increase the risk of developing testicular cancer, in particular a more aggressive form of the disease, according to a U.S. study published on Monday.

The study of 369 Seattle-area men ages 18 to 44 with testicular cancer and 979 men in the same age bracket without the disease found that current marijuana users were 70 percent more likely to develop it compared to nonusers.

The risk appeared to be highest among men who had reported smoking marijuana for at least 10 years, used it more than once a week or started using it before age 18, the researchers wrote in the journal Cancer.

Stephen Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, one of the researchers, said the study was the first to explore marijuana's possible association with testicular cancer.

"This is the first study to look at this question, and by itself is not definitive. And there's a lot more research that would have to be done in order to be more confident that marijuana use really is important in a man's risk of developing testicular cancer," Schwartz said in a telephone interview.

The study found the increased risk appeared to be in the form called nonseminoma testicular cancer. It accounts for 40 percent of cases and can be more aggressive and more difficult to treat, Schwartz said.

Experts are unsure about the causes of testicular cancer, which often strikes men in their 20s and 30s. The disease is seen more commonly in men who have had an undescended testicle or have a family history of testicular cancer.

The disease usually responds well to treatment and has a five-year survival rate of about 96 percent, according to the American Cancer Society.

About 8,000 men in the United States are diagnosed with testicular cancer per year, and there are about 140,000 U.S. men alive who have survived the disease, the group said.

The researchers said they were not sure what it was about marijuana that may raise the risk. Chronic marijuana use also can have effects on the male reproductive system including decreased sperm quality, they said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489866,00.html

Key word= MAY.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #137 on: March 01, 2009, 07:11:08 PM »
Key word= MAY.

Actually the key word is "risk."  For example, smoking cigarettes may cause lung cancer.  Or a person may smoke till they are 90+ and die of old age.  But smoking increases the risk of getting lung cancer.   

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« Reply #138 on: March 01, 2009, 07:16:31 PM »
Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007

LONDON —  Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.

Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.

"The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.
 
Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.

Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.

They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.

They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.

For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.

The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.

One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.

Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.

"The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses — not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.

Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.

Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.

Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

"We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."

In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.

Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html

Short-term effects of alcohol use include:

Headaches, nausea, vomiting, aches and pains all result from drinking too much. Drinking to the point of drunkenness makes you sick.
Distorted vision, hearing, and coordination
altered perceptions and emotions
impaired judgment
bad breath; hangovers

Alcohol-related liver disease. More than 2 million Americans suffer from alcohol-related liver disease.
Long-term heavy drinking increases the risk for high blood pressure, heart disease, and some kinds of stroke.
Long-term heavy drinking increases the risk of developing certain forms of cancer, especially cancer of the esophagus, mouth, throat, and voice box.
Long-term heavy drinking can lead to pancreatitis, or inflammation of the pancreas. This condition is associated with severe abdominal pain and weight loss and can be fatal.
Drinking large amounts can result in alcohol poisoning, which causes unconsciousness and even death.
Long-term effects of heavy alcohol use include loss of appetite, vitamin deficiencies, stomach ailments, sexual impotence, central nervous system damage, and memory loss.
Chronic use eventually leads to depression and confusion. In severe cases, gray matter in the brain is destroyed, possibly leading to psychosis and mental disturbances.




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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #139 on: March 01, 2009, 07:19:07 PM »
I think the important thing to remember for anything is, moderation.

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« Reply #140 on: March 01, 2009, 07:26:44 PM »
I disagree.  Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body.  People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).   

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« Reply #141 on: March 01, 2009, 07:39:31 PM »
I disagree.  Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body.  People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).   
wrong. There is nothing harmful with having a beer or glass of wine.  That changes when excess quantities are consumed.  There are benefits to many things taken with moderation where harmful effects only occur with excess.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #142 on: March 01, 2009, 07:42:16 PM »
The Media is the LAST entity you should rely on for reliable information on Marijuana.


Try PubMed or Google Scholar. Don't buy into the propaganda.


Also, Don't misinterpret percentages. A 40% increase in something that has a rate of less than 1% is nothing. We're talking about people who are already prone to psychosis as well.

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« Reply #143 on: March 01, 2009, 07:52:17 PM »
wrong. There is nothing harmful with having a beer or glass of wine.  That changes when excess quantities are consumed.  There are benefits to many things taken with moderation where harmful effects only occur with excess.

Wrong.  I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD).  It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds).  But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little.  A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.

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« Reply #144 on: March 01, 2009, 07:59:09 PM »
Wrong.  I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD).  It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds).  But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little.  A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.




Cooking food at high temperatures, for example grilling or barbecuing meats, can lead to the formation of minute quantities of many potent carcinogens that are comparable to those found in cigarette smoke (i.e., benzopyrene).[6] Charring of food resembles coking and tobacco pyrolysis, and produces similar carcinogens. There are several carcinogenic pyrolysis products, such as polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, which are converted by human enzymes into epoxides, which attach permanently to DNA. Pre-cooking meats in a microwave oven for 2-3 minutes before grilling shortens the time on the hot pan, and removes heterocyclic amine (HCA) precursors, which can help minimize the formation of these carcinogens.[7]

Reports from the Food Standards Agency have found that the known animal carcinogen acrylamide is generated in fried or overheated carbohydrate foods (such as french fries and potato chips).[8] Studies are underway at the FDA and European regulatory agencies to assess its potential risk to humans. The charred residue on barbecued meats has been identified as a carcinogen, along with many other tars.

Casein, a milk protein, may also be a carcinogen as it is linked to the promotion of cancer and other diseases which was discovered in the 1980s by nutrition and health researcher, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, author of The China Study.[citation needed] Casein is often listed as sodium caseinate, calcium caseinate or milk protein. These are often found in energy bars, drinks as well as packaged goods.

Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #145 on: March 01, 2009, 08:04:11 PM »



Cooking food at high temperatures, for example grilling or barbecuing meats, can lead to the formation of minute quantities of many potent carcinogens that are comparable to those found in cigarette smoke (i.e., benzopyrene).[6] Charring of food resembles coking and tobacco pyrolysis, and produces similar carcinogens. There are several carcinogenic pyrolysis products, such as polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, which are converted by human enzymes into epoxides, which attach permanently to DNA. Pre-cooking meats in a microwave oven for 2-3 minutes before grilling shortens the time on the hot pan, and removes heterocyclic amine (HCA) precursors, which can help minimize the formation of these carcinogens.[7]

Reports from the Food Standards Agency have found that the known animal carcinogen acrylamide is generated in fried or overheated carbohydrate foods (such as french fries and potato chips).[8] Studies are underway at the FDA and European regulatory agencies to assess its potential risk to humans. The charred residue on barbecued meats has been identified as a carcinogen, along with many other tars.



And?

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« Reply #146 on: March 01, 2009, 08:05:52 PM »
And?



"Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities (of carcinogens), does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard"

I believe this information supports the moderation theory. You can't see how?

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« Reply #147 on: March 01, 2009, 08:06:25 PM »
Wrong.  I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD).  It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds).  But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little.  A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.
I just gave you an example where this isn't true so I thinking you're wrong, not me.

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« Reply #148 on: March 01, 2009, 08:09:16 PM »
Glen Beck said that he's "all for legalizing marijuana" but says that people who smoke should not be allowed to get health care.

Really? Even though Marijuana is less harmful than McDonalds?


Does anyone who eats Mcdonalds get disqualified for health insurance?

How about smokers?

Drinkers?

People who skydive?

People who drive race cars?

People who work stressful jobs?

How about junk food junkies?

How about people who spend too much time tanning?

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« Reply #149 on: March 01, 2009, 08:14:19 PM »


"Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities (of carcinogens), does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard"

I believe this information supports the moderation theory. You can't see how?

Are you kidding?  Your quote says there may not be a "significant hazard."  That actually supports what I've been saying:  a little harmful substance is still harmful.  You're talking about degree.  I'm not.  If the study said there are no harmful effects from ingesting "minute quantities of carcinogens," then that would support your theory.