manning would be fine without Wayne and harrison just like brady was fine without moss and welker, i don't think we can put cassel in their category
Thats not fair. You cant be biased with your argument. Payton Manning has always been surrounded by the best talent in the game, so we don't know how he would be without them. How would Rivers be without LT, and Gates....How about E. Manning without Plex, Jacobs and Toomer.... Brady has proven he could be great without great wr's. Brandon Marshal and Daniel Graham are not exactly chopped liver out in Denver, btw. My point is that Cassel did a lot of things that proved he was a great QB that had nothing to do with his wr's. Also, the pats O-line allowed the second most sacks in the NFL last year, Cassel is simply a great young player. He has the moxy, the stats and the wins to prove this. he's not better than Cutler, but he is just as good in his system as Cutler was in Shanny's.
what has jay accomplished? he made the pro bowl at 25, what exactly has cassel accomplished that jay hasn't?
So what? Lots of guys make the pro bowl. Has Cutler ever gone 11-5? Cassel had better numbers than Cutler last year. Cassel had pro-bowl type numbers last year. Did Farve have a great year last year? He mad the pro bowl, right?
just because McDaniel's had brady and a rejuvenated moss doesn't mean he's some great offensive mind, brian billick was the coodinator for the vikings in 98 and the ravens never had a good offense
Moss was terrible the year before he got to NE in Oakland....it's not all Moss. Why was he rejuvenated? If your going to tell me that organzing the best O in the history of game is not a big deal you are clearly unwilling to use logic, stats and facts in your argument. You Billick point is just perplexing so I'm going to leave that one alone. McDaniel's also helped to coach a rookie QB to an 11-5 record with 14 starters on Ir in the second hardest devision in the game....not bad.
you do not trade 25 year old pro bowl quarterbacks because some new unproven coach doesn't like him, if i'm any team thinking about stafford or sanchez i'm making a trade for cutler
Of course you think about it if you run a different system and you have a guy who you know that is a better team player and he is just as capable off putting up pro bowl numbers in your system. Do you even watch Cassel play, because he had a pro bowl year last year. If Moss was the reason for this, why didn't he make the pro-bowl?
why do you always defend these guys that aren't on your team anymore?
It's not about a guy from "my team" I have been saying that I can see why McDaniel's would go after Cassel and that trady Cutler is not pure insanity. Alot of you guys dont look at things like this any deeper than "pro-bowl" and reputation. Cassel is proven in the pats system, Cutler is not. I'm not saying Cutler can't do it, or that Cassel is better than Cutler....I'm saying that I can see why Mc D would try to trade him for Cassel.