Author Topic: Tony Mandarich (Read 14100 times)

Dos Equis · « **on:** March 07, 2009, 04:11:44 PM »

Anyone remember this? Saw this on CNN/SI today. I have this copy packed away somewhere. He was a total chemical creation. Many thought he was going to be the greatest O-lineman ever.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/9169/index.htm?eref=sircrc&eref=sisf

CARTEL · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2009, 04:17:50 PM »

One of the most over-hyped prospects ever.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2009, 04:42:28 PM »

No doubt. GB took him over Barry and Deion.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2009, 05:12:34 PM »

His combine numbers were insane. Ran a 4.65 40 yeard dash. Bench pressed 225 lbs. 39 times.

But like Beach already said...total chemical concoction with a big mouth. But totally came clean about everything and even admitted that he was a joke.

Andy Griffin · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:21:44 PM »

True journalists try to avoid using terms such as "best (or worst) ever," but then again, who said the magazine folks were journalists? I imagine that Tony Mandarich: Good Potential wouldn't sell too many copies, so the magazines just give the people what they want.

body88 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:00:35 AM »

Mandarich was a huge bust....but he did go on to have a pretty long pro career. He was a decent player.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:36:57 AM »

Quote from: body88 on March 09, 2009, 06:00:35 AM

Mandarich was a huge bust....but he did go on to have a pretty long pro career. He was a decent player.

he was horrible! He wasn't a good player in any capacity during his career. His career was not as long as you think. He played three years with Green Bay, got released, and made a respectable comeback in 1995 with the Colts and was out of football again two years later.

body88 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2009, 08:32:30 AM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 09, 2009, 07:36:57 AM

he was horrible! He wasn't a good player in any capacity during his career. His career was not as long as you think. He played three years with Green Bay, got released, and made a respectable comeback in 1995 with the Colts and was out of football again two years later.

Like I said, he had a decent pro career. I never said he was a good player. Lots of guys sit on the practice squad for their entire careers and they don't start. 6 years is the average NFL career, I believe. Mandarich was a huge bust, but he was your average run of the mill jag who stayed in the NFL for 6 years and from 96-98 was noteworthy with the Colts.

To me, a guy like Leaf is worse. At least Manderich was able to contribute something to his team. He was a bust, but at least he did something.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2009, 11:57:13 AM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 09, 2009, 07:36:57 AM

he was horrible! He wasn't a good player in any capacity during his career. His career was not as long as you think. He played three years with Green Bay, got released, and made a respectable comeback in 1995 with the Colts and was out of football again two years later.

I agree. He in no way, shape, or form, had a good career. To keep things in perspective, Green Bay drafted him over Barry Sanders and Deion Sanders, both HOF players. Imagine what Favre in his prime would have done handing the ball off to Barry in his prime.

Mandarich started 63 games in 6 years. Never played up to his draft status. A good career for an OT is at least ten years. I think Leaf is probably the biggest bust in NFL history, but Mandarich would definitely be in my top 5.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:41:32 PM »

Quote from: body88 on March 09, 2009, 08:32:30 AM

Like I said, he had a decent pro career. I never said he was a good player. Lots of guys sit on the practice squad for their entire careers and they don't start. 6 years is the average NFL career, I believe. Mandarich was a huge bust, but he was your average run of the mill jag who stayed in the NFL for 6 years and from 96-98 was noteworthy with the Colts.

To me, a guy like Leaf is worse. At least Manderich was able to contribute something to his team. He was a bust, but at least he did something.

Body88...this guy was the #2 overall selection in the 1989 draft. #2....just like Leaf. Came into the NFL on a tidal wave of hype. You can't compare this guy to practice squad players. practice squad players are not selected in the top 5. Hell, not even in the first round. IMO, he was just as big a bust as Ryan leaf. The guy didn't even have a decent career. As soon as he was off the juice in the NFL, he was getting manhandled by every defensive end on the league. He was pathetic.

don't mean to jump down your throat because I do respect your opinions.

body88 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:58:28 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 09, 2009, 02:41:32 PM

Body88...this guy was the #2 overall selection in the 1989 draft. #2....just like Leaf. Came into the NFL on a tidal wave of hype. You can't compare this guy to practice squad players. practice squad players are not selected in the top 5. Hell, not even in the first round. IMO, he was just as big a bust as Ryan leaf. The guy didn't even have a decent career. As soon as he was off the juice in the NFL, he was getting manhandled by every defensive end on the league. He was pathetic.

don't mean to jump down your throat because I do respect your opinions.

It's cool! As I said, the guy was a total bust!!!! But he was a average to decent player for the 6 years he was in the NFL....thats all : )

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2009, 03:39:20 PM »

Quote from: body88 on March 09, 2009, 02:58:28 PM

It's cool! As I said, the guy was a total bust!!!! But he was a average to decent player for the 6 years he was in the NFL....thats all : )

Respectfully disagree about being decent. He was awful, which is obviously worse than average.

Internet Tough Guy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:45:32 PM »

His record against the Steelers was better than the Baltimore Browns'.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:33:31 PM »

Quote from: Internet Tough Guy on March 09, 2009, 04:45:32 PM

His record against the Steelers was better than the Baltimore Browns'.

Whoa! Rim Shot!

You should take the act out on the road, tough guy.....

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2009, 10:35:32 PM »

I loved that dude and i thought it was phenominal when Bo called him out and saw that he was on the juice. I remember meeting that dude when i was like 7 when MICHIGAN played Michigan State.

body88 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2009, 05:48:23 AM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on March 09, 2009, 10:35:32 PM

I loved that dude and i thought it was phenominal when Bo called him out and saw that he was on the juice. I remember meeting that dude when i was like 7 when MICHIGAN played Michigan State.

Lol at calling out Tony for being on the juice......50-60% of college athletes are!

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:17:13 AM »

Quote from: body88 on March 10, 2009, 05:48:23 AM

Lol at calling out Tony for being on the juice......50-60% of college athletes are!

Really? You think the % is that high? Not too many phenomonally gifted athletes left out there anymore that don't need anabolics??

CalvinH · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:07:28 AM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 10, 2009, 07:17:13 AM

Really? You think the % is that high? Not too many phenomonally gifted athletes left out there anymore that don't need anabolics??

He might be short on his guess $:-\$ I'm no expert but I heard that at least a majority of red-shirt freshmen juice.
a good friend of mine has a son that was a good player here in CT. the kid and his father took a recruiting trip to a Div 2 school.and the coach told both of them that he was gonna have to juice to get bigger{he never said the words steroids but it was very apparent what he meant}....hell,2 of the local high schools in my area have been accused of their kids juicing for football with the coaches supposedly knowing all about it.

2ND COMING · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:23:52 AM »

i would say atleast half are on something....

coming out of highschool, i see a lot of lb'ers around 6'1''-6'3'' like 210-225 pds. Thats not gonna cut it.

body88 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:34:16 AM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 10, 2009, 07:17:13 AM

Really? You think the % is that high? Not too many phenomonally gifted athletes left out there anymore that don't need anabolics??

Yes. I played at a small NCAA school for a year and a lot of guys juiced. If yoru dream was to play pro ball and you played for major program, would you juice if it could help you get into the NFL?

It might be higher than 60%

Dos Equis · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2009, 11:19:20 AM »

Quote from: body88 on March 10, 2009, 10:34:16 AM

Yes. I played at a small NCAA school for a year and a lot of guys juiced. If yoru dream was to play pro ball and you played for major program, would you juice if it could help you get into the NFL?

It might be higher than 60%

I think it's at least 60 percent.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2009, 01:12:14 PM »

The what happens when they get into the pro's? They stop juicing? If they needed juice to get to the pro level to begin with, then what happens when they go pro? They stay on cycle throughout the season, every year to stay above the competition??

Maybe I'm naive but don't think that's the case. I still think the % is lower than 60%.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2009, 01:35:57 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 12, 2009, 01:12:14 PM

The what happens when they get into the pro's? They stop juicing? If they needed juice to get to the pro level to begin with, then what happens when they go pro? They stay on cycle throughout the season, every year to stay above the competition??

Maybe I'm naive but don't think that's the case. I still think the % is lower than 60%.

They're still on the sauce in the pros IMO. They have to keep doing it to stay competitive. I think it depends on positions. Not many QBs, lots of D-lineman, not many kickers, lots of LBs, etc.

wild willie · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:38:28 PM »

Tony Mandrich had a decent career..... he was a little over hyped but he at least played for a while...... 2 of the most over hyped guys ever were Trev Alberts of Nebraska and Ryan Leaf of Washington State.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2009, 02:13:52 PM »

Quote from: wild willie on April 01, 2009, 12:38:28 PM

Tony Mandrich had a decent career..... he was a little over hyped but he at least played for a while...... 2 of the most over hyped guys ever were Trev Alberts of Nebraska and Ryan Leaf of Washington State.

Injuries derailed Trev Alberts career. He was a sensational player coming out of Nebraska. White boy too. If not for serious shoulder injuries his first two years, I think he would have been a very good player in the NFL.