Are bodybuilders athletes when you have MMA guys training like this?

[Lion666]

and as far as bb'rs not being athletes..... well some guys lazily drag their way through the gym yes,,,, and base everything on drugs, sure but these guys usually aren't champs, again there is an exception to every rule but the majority of the time..... look at ronnie, he was a football player.....
allota guys got into bb because of sports and the training and probally found that they like the training more than the sport..... like chick said he was an athlete before he was a bb'r......
some bb'rs   do oly lifts and power lifts to enhance their strength & improve cns to get better results.... ie, bigger muscles....
means to an end......
politics aside.....  others could play that, me i'm not an ifbb pro so.... my opinion in that arena counts for 0 but gotta go with bob chick....
my own feelings are that some bodybuilders are athletes..... even the ones who take drugs..... anyone every see mark kerr the smashing machine......  he took juice and nubain and he was a mma champ, college wres champ etc......   and wrestlers too..... there can't be anyone that denies these guys are athletes even though the outcome is planned but the move require strength, agility, cordination etc what ev...

an athlete can be someone that can perform a physical tast that a "normal " untrained person cannot or would have extreme diffuculty doing....

hey chick..... some people know some don't...... maybe it's the ones that "know" keep you on this board....  which is something everyone oughtta appriciate and respect..... whether they like your ifbb politics or not..... not like it matters to them because they are not pros so..... but everyone is entitled to an opinion which is nice when they are heard.....  and the evidence can be see, you do listen and respond, even to the "boneheads"....  again everyone can respect you for that....   you are our "inside guy"... it's cool.... most pros run from this site.... you stay....
credit where credit is due
   

[gordiano]

Well. better body? hmmmmmmm that is relative.
 He is bigger than me. but..
 I can make him tap in less than 3 minutes. how about that?
 And you really believe that a gym rat take more than a pro.
 
  
 

Don't bother trying...this guy is an idiot. His questions have been answered repeatedly, and he's still not happy. 

[Lion666]

yeah tony atlas wasn't an athlete 
c'mon
bb'r to wrestler..... a non athlete couldn't dream of doing either or.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

and as far as bb'rs not being athletes..... well some guys lazily drag their way through the gym yes,,,, and base everything on drugs, sure but these guys usually aren't champs, again there is an exception to every rule but the majority of the time..... look at ronnie, he was a football player.....
allota guys got into bb because of sports and the training and probally found that they like the training more than the sport..... like chick said he was an athlete before he was a bb'r......
some bb'rs   do oly lifts and power lifts to enhance their strength & improve cns to get better results.... ie, bigger muscles....
means to an end......
politics aside.....  others could play that, me i'm not an ifbb pro so.... my opinion in that arena counts for 0 but gotta go with bob chick....
my own feelings are that some bodybuilders are athletes..... even the ones who take drugs..... anyone every see mark kerr the smashing machine......  he took juice and nubain and he was a mma champ, college wres champ etc......   and wrestlers too..... there can't be anyone that denies these guys are athletes even though the outcome is planned but the move require strength, agility, cordination etc what ev...

an athlete can be someone that can perform a physical tast that a "normal " untrained person cannot or would have extreme diffuculty doing....

hey chick..... some people know some don't...... maybe it's the ones that "know" keep you on this board....  which is something everyone oughtta appriciate and respect..... whether they like your ifbb politics or not..... not like it matters to them because they are not pros so..... but everyone is entitled to an opinion which is nice when they are heard.....  and the evidence can be see, you do listen and respond, even to the "boneheads"....  again everyone can respect you for that....   you are our "inside guy"... it's cool.... most pros run from this site.... you stay....
credit where credit is due
   

 When a mention BB and drugs i didn't meant disrespect anybody.
 But. you mention Mark Kerr. OK. one. bodybuilders all of then.

[Lion666]

no one can deny that atlas was an athlete and guess what he was a bodybuilder 1st,,, then a wrestler.... gee " normal" every guys that hang in the bars every weekend can do that.... either or...... thats why during football season every " normal guy" has a beer in his hand watching guys on tv...... because they're athletes too.... 

some bodybuilders are athletes.

[gordiano]

no one can deny that atlas was an athlete and guess what he was a bodybuilder 1st,,, then a wrestler.... gee " normal" every guys that hang in the bars every weekend can do that.... either or...... thats why during football season every " normal guy" has a beer in his hand watching guys on tv...... because they're athletes too.... 

some bodybuilders are athletes.

Of course Atlas was an athlete. Who said he wasn't?

[Lion666]

When a mention BB and drugs i didn't meant disrespect anybody.
 But. you mention Mark Kerr. OK. one. bodybuilders all of then.

graciejj,,,, i'm just sayin' some bbr's are athletes certainly not all, I'm not completely delusional only on the weekends & holidays...
kerr and make tony atlas number 2.... gimme another month and I'll have 3 gracie  

[drmarkp]

And your pride of always having to win a debate is making you dumber than a box of rocks. It's irrelevant how much bodybuilders work out or struggle in order to compete, bodybuilding is still about beauty pageants and bodybuilders are not athletes.

My goodness.

Definition of men who come on Get Big to put down bodybuilding = Self loathing, latent homosexual

[BB]

Are models athletes? they train and diet down in order to achieve a look much like a bb does.

In terms of the athleticism of the strength sports, the order should go:

1) Strongman/Highland Games

2) Olympic Lifting

3) Powerlifting

 

[lovemonkey]

Definition of men who come on Get Big to put down bodybuilding = Self loathing, latent homosexual

A LOT of gimmicks around here lately.

[FullROM]

how much did he make from wwe wrestling?

[luvvsuNOT]

I'm not a huge fan of BB as a sport but they are indeed athletes as defined in the dictionary. Maybe posing on stage does not seem "athletic" in the sense we tend to think of them anymore than we think of a golfer or a bowler as athletes but I consider the BB lifestyle, due to it's all consuming nature, to be one of the hardest sports out there. Everything you do in your life pertains to your training in a way that is incomprehensible to normal people but just part of the game to the competitor that he doesn't even give it a second thought. Eating becomes bulking/cutting/nutrition, sleeping becomes recovery, even consistent drug use is no easy tasks. The tought of injecting one's self even once a week let a lone everyday is beyond what any average person is willing to endure. And not to mention the consistent, brutal training that must be endured for years on end before you can even think about competing. And about the pain.... The sacrifices that have to be made is far beyond the realm of the average Joe.

[lovemonkey]

I'm not a huge fan of BB as a sport but they are indeed athletes as defined in the dictionary. Maybe posing on stage does not seem "athletic" in the sense we tend to think of them anymore than we think of a golfer or a bowler as athletes but I consider the BB lifestyle, due to it's all consuming nature, to be one of the hardest sports out there. Everything you do in your life pertains to your training in a way that is incomprehensible to normal people but just part of the game to the competitor that he doesn't even give it a second thought. Eating becomes bulking/cutting/nutrition, sleeping becomes recovery, even consistent drug use is no easy tasks. The tought of injecting one's self even once a week let a lone everyday is beyond what any average person is willing to endure. And not to mention the consistent, brutal training that must be endured for years on end before you can even think about competing. And about the pain.... The sacrifices that have to be made is far beyond the realm of the average Joe.

The training is irrelevant. I bet beauty pageants queens go through a lot of shit as well, but it's still a beauty pageant. Read this please if you can be bothered:

Why won't you listen to what our dear friend Wikipedia has to say:

"A beauty contest, or beauty pageant, is a competition based mainly, though not always entirely, on the physical beauty of its contestants, and often incorporating personality, talent demonstration, and question responses as judged criteria. Almost invariably, competitions for men and women are separate events, and those for men are not referred to as beauty contests. Beauty contests for women are more common, and winners are called beauty queens. Beauty contests for men, like Mr. Universe, are more likely to be "body building" contests—quite unlike the traditional "beauty contest" in which women are judged upon many attributes both physical and otherwise. However, in the 1990s, male "beauty contests" began to shift focus. Instead of only considering muscle mass, the competitions began to judge the natural physical attributes of the contestants as well as their physiques. These include Mr. World and Manhunt International."

May not be the best possible source, but it gives a VERY good idea what the general definition is.

[#1 Klaus fan]

And about the pain.... The sacrifices that have to be made is far beyond the realm of the average Joe.

And nothing compared to a real athlete who trains up to 6 times A DAY! They also watch what they eat every minute, just like a bodybuilder does.

[gracie bjj]

athlete=a person that is involved in a sport which requires strength,agility,stamina.bodybuilding requires a ton of drugs with good genetics and performing repetition exercises that benefit thier musculer appearence on stage,they are not judged on how much weight they lift.so (strength) is ruled out.(agility),im sure some have agility but most bodybuilders ive seen dont look very agile,(stamina),im not even gonna comment on that one,lol.im just keepin it real,i like bodybuilding as much as the next guy but i dont know how on earth bodybuilding got labeled as a sport.theres a reason why bodybuilding aint in the olympics,cause its not a sport is a fashion show except the guys are showing thier bodies instead of clothes

[lovemonkey]

athlete=a person that is involved in a sport which requires strength,agility,stamina.bodybuilding requires a ton of drugs with good genetics and performing repetition exercises that benefit thier musculer appearence on stage,they are not judged on how much weight they lift.so (strength) is ruled out.(agility),im sure some have agility but most bodybuilders ive seen dont look very agile,(stamina),im not even gonna comment on that one,lol.im just keepin it real,i like bodybuilding as much as the next guy but i dont know how on earth bodybuilding got labeled as a sport.theres a reason why bodybuilding aint in the olympics,cause its not a sport is a fashion show except the guys are showing thier bodies instead of clothes

I salute your contribution, sir.

[gib]

Is BBing a sport? Its an interesting question.

For sure, many athletes bodybuild or weight-train as part of their training.

To me, most pure sports, can be objectively measured. Eg weightlifting, track and field, etc.

But you also have "sports" that are measured with subjective components. Eg, Diving, Gymnastics, Synchronised swimming, etc. To me, bodybuilding is more in that category of sport. There is no doubt BBing has rules, requires extreme physical training etc, so I would consider it a sport, although the extreme subjective component and the lack of measurable results do concern me.

I personally have problems accepting people who play golf to be athletes. A golf player would argue the point, but to me, guys that walk around hitting balls into little holes are not my idea of an athlete.

Do I consider Chick an athelte or sportsman. Yes.

[Lion666]

athlete=a person that is involved in a sport which requires strength,agility,stamina.bodybuilding requires a ton of drugs with good genetics and performing repetition exercises that benefit thier musculer appearence on stage,they are not judged on how much weight they lift.so (strength) is ruled out.(agility),im sure some have agility but most bodybuilders ive seen dont look very agile,(stamina),im not even gonna comment on that one,lol.im just keepin it real,i like bodybuilding as much as the next guy but i dont know how on earth bodybuilding got labeled as a sport.theres a reason why bodybuilding aint in the olympics,cause its not a sport is a fashion show except the guys are showing thier bodies instead of clothes

"strength,agility,stamina"
bb'n, training & all it entails, includ. posing...... it's a sport.....  and no one can bring up drug use because football / baseball etc....

anyone ever get on stage and hit & hold poses before knows thats it's hard to do..... bb'n is also entertainment and theatricaly based.... kinda like wrestling......   
to anyone who has ever competed knows bb'n is def a sport..... again get on stage and go through a routine where you have to hit & hold poses and then question the athletics of the sport.....

[CoolDuck]

Most bodybuilders are happy doing the same 9 or 12 sets per bodypart per week year after year, while athletes try to increase the volume and intensity of their workouts (their ability to do more work). There are no pro athlete who doesn't train multiple times per day, while most bodybuilders train max 1 time per day. These are the crucial differences in the training of the bodybuilders and athletes.

If bodybuilding is so easy, how come most people who train with weights look like shit? I'm fascinated with this obsession some getbiggers have with drugs. They reason that if a guy is lean and muscular, he must be using drugs. What one can read between the lines is that those who believe that to be true are the ones who are unable to train hard and diet systematically.

Thus, being unable to achieve any of their own physique goals, they figure that anybody who look better than them is a drug user. This is being unrespectful towards those who work hard and systematically over a long period of time. Many bodybuilders are true and impressive athletes. How many of us would be able to perform the leg-workouts of Tom Platz (high-rep, nausea inducing training). While it is true that the bodybuilding competitions are not directly based on athletic performance, the physique required to win is certainly based on being an athlete (and in pro competitions, just like in other pro sports- drugs).

CD

[lovemonkey]

"strength,agility,stamina"
bb'n, training & all it entails, includ. posing...... it's a sport.....  and no one can bring up drug use because football / baseball etc....

anyone ever get on stage and hit & hold poses before knows thats it's hard to do..... bb'n is also entertainment and theatricaly based.... kinda like wrestling......   
to anyone who has ever competed knows bb'n is def a sport..... again get on stage and go through a routine where you have to hit & hold poses and then question the athletics of the sport.....

Compare this to a simple beauty pageant and your theory falls flat. It's the same thing.

[the anabolic mon]

thats called being happy with Yourself.

Guess why are having the better life, all those flashy black rappers/bodybuilder or Brock.


....Brock.

Damn straight.

[Red Hook]

you are guys are arguing over semantics, let me help you out

participating in bodybuilding or being a bodybuilder does not automatically qualify you as an athlete

ofcourse there are athletes that participate and are bodybuilders, chances are most of them have a football or other sport background. So whether they particpated in bodybuilder did not and does not add to their athletic title.


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[Earl1972]

Oh brother, do I have to rehash this a million times? There is no athletic skill involved in bodybuilding.

posing is a skill

use the dictionary's definition of the word 'sport'

not your definition

E

[Earl1972]

If you want top play the old "definition" or "dictionary" card, then, Comp. bbing is a pageant, Earl.

actually that would make it a sport

E

[lovemonkey]

posing is a skill

use the dictionary's definition of the word 'sport'

not your definition

E

They pose in beauty pageants too, does that make them athletes?