looks better in the "before" pic.
i think naturals shouldnt be that ripped, guys like kyomu and goudy look great but are not shredded so they still have the fullness the natural trainer needs so desperately.
i also think that a guy like frank zane looked way better and healthier in the offseason beachpics with arnold then he did on stage.
its not hard to get shredded but its nice if you could still keep a bit of your muscle.