More proof you don't train and talk out of your ass, since you don't have any depth when it comes to BB or the histories of some of these guys. One or two things that are debatable doesn't impact the significance of someone's influence; that applies to anyone. Only an idiot would take a couple of examples and make blanket assumptions. Gironda was someone way ahead of his time. Same applies to Arthur Jones. Those two guys were the top of the heap and still are, regardless of whether one or two things either of them said were debatable.
Exactly why Schwarzenegger was sent to Gironda upon reaching Los Angeles; Weider knew what ND still doesn't.
ND still afraid to share his vast training expertise with the training board.
I don't train because Vince is a moron for saying squats should be avoided and flat benches don't build pecs? more moron logic by pumpster and how can I have no depth of BB histories if I knew Vince advocated this nonsense?
and two things that are debatable?
Vince was a relic from the 40s who believed squats should be avoided because they make the hips wider
and funny you mention Weider sending Arnold to him because he's a guy who built perhaps the greatest pecs on you guessed it flat bench presses
Vince was a mediocre bodybuider and a mediocre trainer he may have duped the Hollywood stars he was something special but in reality he wasn't and Jones was a genius and Vince shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe , Jones was an innovator he challenged the status quo
And I don't brag about my physique or training style because it's not my style and what works for me doesn't work for everyone else so why be so obnoxious to try and tell someone else how to train? or what will work for them? so hence I don't frequent the training boards , the balls of you of all people giving training advice , the irony lmao your main source of training is the fucking BowFlex
biggest POS machine for building muscle period , I've asked you many times how many National , Pro level bodybuilder built their physiques using the BowFlex and I'm still waiting for the answer
This is where I go
http://www.goldsgym.com/ maybe you should invest in real training until keep regaling us with your vast experience with the power-rods