Author Topic: Would you die for your country? (Read 3676 times)

El Diablo Blanco · « **on:** March 23, 2009, 08:59:23 AM »

If Obama re-enlisted the draft and sent you to Iraq or Afganistan with a 50/50 chance of living. Would you go knowing you had a good chance of dying for your country?

Tre · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:10:10 AM »

Quote from: mon_of_steele on March 23, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

If Obama re-enlisted the draft and sent you to Iraq or Afganistan with a 50/50 chance of living. Would you go knowing you had a good chance of dying for your country?

15 years ago, yes.

Today, hell no.

EwaBeachBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:11:21 AM »

Quote from: Tre on March 23, 2009, 09:10:10 AM

15 years ago, yes.

Today, hell no.

I second that emotion!!

jpm101 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:36:16 AM »

As General Patton said about dying for your country, in so many words: Let the other poor bastard die for his country, you want to win and live for yours.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:42:20 AM »

Dying for your country is as stupid as dying for your town or for your street. I hope we would forget this nonsense.

Sam · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:43:28 AM »

I would die for Getbig

BroadStreetBruiser · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:46:59 AM »

w/o question

Meso_z · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:48:36 AM »

My country that literally "kills" my future...

hell no.

Lynchie · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:49:41 AM »

No fucking way.

K-1 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:55:36 AM »

When I was in I was willing to die, and I'll do it now if I got the call to go back.

Would be an honor. I can understand not everyone thinks this way.

"I kiss my Mama goodbye, and wipe the tears from her lonely eyes
Said I'll return but I gotta fight the fate's arrived!"Pac

Drama Queen · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:58:26 AM »

If another country invaded the US ,yes ,otherwise NO

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:03:07 AM »

Quote from: mon_of_steele on March 23, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Would you go knowing you had a good chance of dying for the corporations?

fixed.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:11:48 AM »

War is often just politics, and the people in control just think the body count as lost money.

gmflex · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:32:19 AM »

no ......

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:40:12 AM »

the draft is the worst thing ever invented. The draft was created for young boys to go off and die in a war started by people too old to be drafted. You are forced to go, and theres severe punishment if you leave, sounds a bit like involuntary servitude to me, which if i recall, the 13th admendment prohibits.

freespirit · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:53:08 AM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on March 23, 2009, 09:42:20 AM

Dying for your country is as stupid as dying for your town or for your street. I hope we would forget this nonsense.

Quoted for truth. Only the severe brainwashed would die for their country.

Board_SHERIF · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2009, 03:58:57 PM »

no....I don't care about others...

QuakerOats · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:53:01 PM »

Quote from: Tre on March 23, 2009, 09:10:10 AM

15 years ago, yes.

Today, hell no.

why 15 years ago? what made 1993-94 any different that the bullshit today?

Andy Griffin · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »

Quote from: cheftim on March 23, 2009, 11:21:08 AM

Not a chance! America has never done anything for me. My Patriotism is paying taxes.

and sniffing the panties of celebrities

Andy Griffin · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on March 23, 2009, 11:40:12 AM

the draft is the worst thing ever invented. The draft was created for young boys to go off and die in a war started by people too old to be drafted. You are forced to go, and theres severe punishment if you leave, sounds a bit like involuntary servitude to me, which if i recall, the 13th admendment prohibits.

While I prefer an all-volunteer military, the Supreme Court ruled that the draft does not violate the 13th Amendment:

Some groups, such as libertarians, say that the draft constitutes slavery, since it is mandatory work[43]. Under the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, slavery or other involuntary servitude is not allowed unless it is part of punishment for a crime. They therefore see the draft as unconstitutional (at least in the U.S.) and immoral. In 1918, the Supreme Court ruled that the World War I draft did not violate the United States Constitution. Arver v. United States, 245 U.S. 366 (1918). The Court detailed its conclusion that the limited powers of the federal government included conscription. Its only statement on the Thirteenth Amendment issue reads thus:

Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement.

There may be other case law to support my assertion, but this is all Wikipedia had

Kegdrainer · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:59:28 PM »

I would kill for my country but I don't think the dying part is appealing.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #21 on:** March 23, 2009, 05:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Andy Griffin on March 23, 2009, 04:58:32 PM

While I prefer an all-volunteer military, the Supreme Court ruled that the draft does not violate the 13th Amendment:

Come on now. They just played with some words.

Cap · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2009, 05:10:26 PM »

Quote from: Kegdrainer on March 23, 2009, 04:59:28 PM

I would kill for my country but I don't think the dying part is appealing.

Ditto. I would kill for the US and I wouldn't really care if I died for my country, as long as I took some shitbags with me.

Andy Griffin · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2009, 05:12:28 PM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on March 23, 2009, 05:09:59 PM

Come on now. They just played with some words.

I understand that you may not agree with the decision, but that decision is the Court's to make.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2009, 05:14:14 PM »

Quote from: Cap on March 23, 2009, 05:10:26 PM

Ditto. I would kill for the US and I wouldn't really care if I died for my country, as long as I took some shitbags with me.

That is a healthy attitude. You could become a suicide bomber.