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[The Master]

you would be a cool guy to drink a few beers with

The people in the mental asylum said: No more alcohol for you. 

[wavelength]

The people in the mental asylum said: No more alcohol for you. 

what about funny cigs

[The Master]

what about funny cigs

Perhaps. But hallusinogens = Debussey approved

[stormshadow]

Haha you are a fucking retard dude.  Sorry to say you and your brother were never natural.  You're saying your brother lost 45lbs of bodyweight fat, while basically pretty much maintaining all his muscle naturally?  HAHAHAHAA LMAO!  You must think everybody on here is a fucking newbie.  Obviously everyone in this thread is a newbie except for spermatease cause I've been around this game a long fucking time and that aint happening naturally.  It's insulting for you to think we are all that fucking stupid.  BUt this is getbig afterall and judging by the responses in this thread there are a lot of morons on here who have no clue as to what's achievable naturally vs. using drugs.  You and your "brother" may not have used anabolic steroids per se but there aint no way you are dropping 45 lbs of fat/weight without losing hardly any size on your arms or overall naturally.  LMAO!  The posts are hilarious.  Why don't you go try to post your pics on a website where people actually BODYBUILD!  Not everyone would be sucking your dick with responses because they actually  know what's achievable naturally.  

So to summarize SimplyHuge I want to get this straight.......you are saying your brother lost 45-50lbs of fat/weight in naturally without losing muscle?  Because in both of your pics none of you guys hardly lost any size in your arms.  Arm size is usually the first to go, especially naturally.  Especially for guys your age.  

MM your post is right on the money as usual.  I have seen guys drugged up beyond belief go out of their way to declare that they are lifetime naturals.  I guess its an easy way to put an end to all steroid questions from people that you come in contact with.

[MuscleMcMannus]

MM your post is right on the money as usual.  I have seen guys drugged up beyond belief go out of their way to declare that they are lifetime naturals.  I guess its an easy way to put an end to all steroid questions from people that you come in contact with.

Yeah and that post was BEFORE his brother finally admitted he used "shitloads" of aspirin and caffeine.  It's the same old song with these naturals.  They're all a bunch of liars. 

[WillGrant]

These are some older photos of when I did my first show.  I am about 5'9.
I tried to line them up as accurately as I could.

In the before photos I weighed about 215 lbs
In the after photos I weighed about 175-180 lbs




Just thought I would share.  Most people have probably seen these before just not combined as shown here.

Awesome mate , you look great

[The Ugly]

Ok then. Thanks.

[clued-up]

ive been around this board a while, but ive never even heard of some of the stuff you mentioned.  ZERO drugs were used. 

Get OVER it.  You just refuse to believe that anyone could be working harder and smarter than you, and getting results b/c of it.  How arrogant to think that you are the standard, and that if anyone is better, then they take drugs.  There are other naturals that are much better than myself or my brother.  Jrod is a great example.  How do I know he's natural?  I dont, but I think its very conceivable.  He trains super hard, his diet is impecable.  He is smart about his training, etc.  He works 100x harder than most bb's and gets results b/c of it.  he hasnt made any crazy gains each year, maybe 5-10 lbs a year, and sometimes no weight difference at his shows. 

nice rant.. but I've never accused you of using steroids.

[The Wall]

i cant believe this thread is still going...who gives a shit...if you wanna believe it fine...if you think we are full of shit lol well thats fine too, but honostly trying to judge if someone is natural or not, or how much they weigh over the internet is retarded...we have no signs of juice have been training for 10+ years, and most importantly of all we have told you that no steroids were used...that being said u would have to be a fool to think you can "tell" from pure speculation the status of someones training

the hard work of many is degraded by the ignorant remarks of a few "squellers" who just dont wanna believe that you can get big or lean naturally...emphasis on OR in that last sentence because doing both is pretty tough

this board is full of mystery experts lol little boys with no faces who fire insults and false truths at the top of their tiny tit voices just to get someone to listen...the truth is, no one cares

if jay cutler got on here and said he was natural, sure i wouldnt beileve him but im not gonna spend 100 posts trying to convince him lol

[webcake]

275lbs is big for a natty......some doubt about it.

[clued-up]

it was meant for gh15.  i grabbed the wrong quote.  my bad james001

no problem.. people tend to get grabby when I'm around  

[gib]

Definately achievable naturally. I have seen way more impressive physiques, natural. Some of the people on here see a bit of muscle and/or a person who is not fat thinking "its not natural". Makes you wonder what kind of shape the average GetBigger is....

[lovemonkey]

Definately achievable naturally. I have seen way more impressive physiques, natural. Some of the people on here see a bit of muscle and/or a person who is not fat thinking "its not natural". Makes you wonder what kind of shape the average GetBigger is....

Really, at 19 years old? Post em if you've got em.

[MuscleMcMannus]

i cant believe this thread is still going...who gives a shit...if you wanna believe it fine...if you think we are full of shit lol well thats fine too, but honostly trying to judge if someone is natural or not, or how much they weigh over the internet is retarded...we have no signs of juice have been training for 10+ years, and most importantly of all we have told you that no steroids were used...that being said u would have to be a fool to think you can "tell" from pure speculation the status of someones training

the hard work of many is degraded by the ignorant remarks of a few "squellers" who just dont wanna believe that you can get big or lean naturally...emphasis on OR in that last sentence because doing both is pretty tough

this board is full of mystery experts lol little boys with no faces who fire insults and false truths at the top of their tiny tit voices just to get someone to listen...the truth is, no one cares

if jay cutler got on here and said he was natural, sure i wouldnt beileve him but im not gonna spend 100 posts trying to convince him lol

Dude you're full of shit.  First off you admitted to using IN YOUR WORDS "shitloads" of aspirin and caffeine.  That's NOT natural in my opinion.  And who the fuck uses aspirin and caffeine?  Usually it's aspirin, caffeine, AND EPHEDRINE i.e. ECA stack.  Secondly, you said you didn't start training CORRECTLY until age 16.  So you have not been training for 10+ years.  THIRDLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YES YOU DO HAVE SIGNS OF JUICE......you look like a bloated sausage with a red face in your "bulking" pics.  Anyone who's ever done a cycle KNOWS what being bloated from steroids looks like.  Bottomline is you DO NOT go from 275lbs to 222-230lbs NATURALLY without losing much muscle like you did in your pictures, even in 7 months.   

[MuscleMcMannus]

Definately achievable naturally. I have seen way more impressive physiques, natural. Some of the people on here see a bit of muscle and/or a person who is not fat thinking "its not natural". Makes you wonder what kind of shape the average GetBigger is....

So you're saying it's "Definitely achievable naturally" to drop 45lbs without losing hardly any muscle?  HAHA You're a fucking idiot.  And if you think there are so many 6'2 275lb 19 year olds walking around again you're a fucking retard! 

[MuscleMcMannus]

musclemcmannus still desparately trying to believe its still not possible


exactly my point.  i thought the pics looked good, but there are much much better that ive seen around.  amazing how little they think is achievable.

275 lbs is just a weight, its not a ripped weight.  i know guys who weighed 275 LBS in HIGHSCHOOL.  its not all muscle, its a lot of fat, but no one claimed my brother was ripped at 275, it was just how heavy he was in the before pics.  even in the after pics he is not "ripped", he is just at a low body fat. 

musclemcmmannus tries to compare to arnold?!  no claims were made, and there is a large difference between 235 lbs in a lean condition and 235 lbs in super ripped condition.  also where the muscle is placed makes  large difference as well.  for instance if one guy weighs 210 and another 211, but that extra pound is in his arms, i imagine you would see quite  adifference in the two physiques. 

Are you a fucking dumbshit?  Why don't you argue the points?  The point that your brother ADMITTED to using IN HIS WORDS shitloads of caffeine/aspirin.  Also I don't care what your brother weighed.  It's IMPOSSIBLE to go from a bloated 275lbs to a natural 222-230lbs without losing any muscle.  Here's the typical argument of a person claiming he's natural when he's not..

Statement #1:  My before and after pics......lifetime natural. 
Skeptic:  You don't look natural.
Statement:  Yes I am.....I did it using this, training this way, this long blah blah blah.
Skeptic: You don't look natural.
Statement:  Yes I am.  blah blah blah blah.
Skeptic:: You don't look natural.
Statement:  Ok well I did use these (usually some sort of prohormone, ECA etc.)
Skeptic:  You're not natural.
Statement:  WHAT?  FUCK YOU!  You're just jealous!!!!  Let's see your pic!  I'm not THAT big!  and every other excuse they can think of to completely downplay their physique. 

It's the same old shit in EVERY thread where guys who obviously aren't natural claim they are.  EVERY thread ends up the same way. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Watch before long this thread will go another 10 pages arguing about what's natural and what isn't.  I though you two were done with this argument anyways?? LMAO!  If you two KNOW you are natural just tell everyone else to fuck off and leave the thread.  Why do you constantly have to prove to us, who are just a bunch of know nothing skinny twink wannabe internet bodybuilders how big and natural you are?  I don't get it!   

[The Showstoppa]

Are you a fucking dumbshit?  Why don't you argue the points?  The point that your brother ADMITTED to using IN HIS WORDS shitloads of caffeine/aspirin.  Also I don't care what your brother weighed.  It's IMPOSSIBLE to go from a bloated 275lbs to a natural 222-230lbs without losing any muscle.  Here's the typical argument of a person claiming he's natural when he's not..

Statement #1:  My before and after pics......lifetime natural. 
Skeptic:  You don't look natural.
Statement:  Yes I am.....I did it using this, training this way, this long blah blah blah.
Skeptic: You don't look natural.
Statement:  Yes I am.  blah blah blah blah.
Skeptic:: You don't look natural.
Statement:  Ok well I did use these (usually some sort of prohormone, ECA etc.)
Skeptic:  You're not natural.
Statement:  WHAT?  FUCK YOU!  You're just jealous!!!!  Let's see your pic!  I'm not THAT big!  and every other excuse they can think of to completely downplay their physique. 

It's the same old shit in EVERY thread where guys who obviously aren't natural claim they are.  EVERY thread ends up the same way. 

MM, you also have to add the dumbshits who always chime in backing them up because "dang it, if I train hard enough, I can achieve that without juice!"

[lovemonkey]

MM, you also have to add the dumbshits who always chime in backing them up because "dang it, if I train hard enough, I can achieve that without juice!"

Hahaha, kyomu just claimed that he can possibly be bigger than Phil Heath all natural, it's just a matter of determination. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

MM, you also have to add the dumbshits who always chime in backing them up because "dang it, if I train hard enough, I can achieve that without juice!"

Yeah.......you just have to believe!  LOL.  

[The Showstoppa]

Hahaha, kyomu just claimed that he can possibly be bigger than Phil Heat all natural, it's just a matter of determination. 

Oh brother.  It's such a vicious cycle too, because the gasers who claim to be natural just feed them.  Then it turns to, "Well, just because you don't look that good, doesn't mean I can't....I train harder, I diet more strictly, etc...."  or the pros who weigh in with the "you would be surprised at how little they use...the avg meathead uses more...." as they develop heart conditions, kidney failure/ibuprofen od, lock up on stage.....etc...

[MuscleMcMannus]

Here's the bottomline, VERY few people train naturally nowadays who have any admirable level of development.  WHY?  Because it takes a shitload of hardwork, dedication and TIME to achieve that level of development naturally.  Aint no way in hell some 22 year old is going to achieve all that when it takes most guys, even with good genetics 10+ years to achieve.  Look at HOW MANY steroid interent bodybuilding forums there are these days.  There are a SHITLOAD of guys using steroids.  Some are true bodybuilders and some are weekend warriors so to speak.  Those of us who call bullshit on guys like this have seen the same song and dance on the internet and in the gyms.  A young kid jumps on a cycle and then downplays everything and BOOM he's got gawkers galore and his ego jumps through the roof.  I mean most bodybuilders are narcissists as it is.  

[The Master]

Getbig = never boring.

[MuscleMcMannus]

nothing will convice you musclemcmannus, or your small friends who support your cause. 

keep on trying to hopelessly prove it.  nothing changes truth.

So why don't you speak to my point?  Your brother confessed he used "shitloads" of caffeine and aspirin?  And you STILL claim he is natural?  If he used that what makes us think he wouldn't use anything else like prohormones or steroids? You've had your ass handed to you in this thread. 

[mesmorph78]

Its amazing how some of these guys can sit on there computer behind their keyboards and decide .. because that guys looks good he cant be natural.... no evidence no proof
if the guy looked like shit then yeah it would be cool he's nautural.... emotional bitch jealousy
just pure envy and jealousy.
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