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lovemonkey · « **Reply #200 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:00:19 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 12:55:32 PM

You have really strong prejudice about God. God always dont have to be like individual like humanbeing.

If somebody call a equation like E=mc2 a god because of this equation rules the movement of the particle, its a god for him.

So Indian called the natural phenomenon like Gods.Thats it. Plain simple.

OK, one word for you then:

METAPHOR

So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.

DK II · « **Reply #201 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:01:33 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:00:19 PM

OK, one word for you then:

METAPHOR

So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.

lol, you still think too christian.

It doesn't matter if a god exists or not.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #202 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 31, 2009, 01:01:33 PM

lol, you still think too christian.

It doesn't matter if a god exists or not.

OH.MY.GOD (pun intended)

Read again what you quoted there. Please.

kyomu · « **Reply #203 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:04:20 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:00:19 PM

OK, one word for you then:

METAPHOR

So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.

While you define it as a metaphor,other contries people define it as a god. Cus they dont have any clue about the concept of god you refer.
Your defenition is not absolute and universal. Thats why I told you that you must learn another cultures too.
And when you ask me if i believe God or not, you need to ask me with certain defenition of God.

kyomu · « **Reply #204 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:06:10 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:03:32 PM

OH.MY.GOD (pun intended)

Read again what you quoted there. Please.

Donkeys comment is correct. Watch your inside.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #205 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:07:53 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 01:04:20 PM

While you define it as a metaphor,other contries people define it as a god. Cus they dont have any clue about the god you refer.
Your defenition is not absolute and universal. Thats why I told you that you must learn another cultures too.
And when you ask me if i believe God or not, you need to ask me with certain defenition of God.

You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.

Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".

You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?

kyomu · « **Reply #206 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:12:39 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:07:53 PM

You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.

Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".

You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?

Oh, you are blind.

Then why you ask me if i believe in God or not?

That question was based on the concept of the christian god right?

If I answered with the concept of hinduism, you may misunderstand that i believe in christian god no?

DK II · « **Reply #207 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:12:53 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:07:53 PM

You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.

Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".

You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?

relax, kyomu doesn't say anything against you, you just fail to understand.

That's the fate of us being brought up in a monotheistic believe religion, it took me more than ten years studying asian religions to get a clue about where my problem was, and only in the moment that i actively stepped out of the roman catholic church i understood that it didn't even matter.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #208 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:15:15 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 01:12:39 PM

Oh, you are blind.

Then why you ask me if i believe in God or not?

That question was based on the concept of the christian god right?

If I answered with the concept of hinduism, you may misunderstand that i believe in christian god no?

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:00:19 PM

OK, one word for you then:

METAPHOR

So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.

Rami · « **Reply #209 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:15:31 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 31, 2009, 04:43:21 AM

Looks like you know shit about buddhism.

"When you meet the Buddha, kill him." There is no such thing as buddha or not buddha, we are all buddha or not, it doesn't even matter.

I know it is said he doesn't exists. But I refer to the ideas and teachings plotted down by man about such concepts as Buddha or Hinduism or whatever superstition.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #210 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:17:33 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 31, 2009, 01:12:53 PM

relax, kyomu doesn't say anything against you, you just fail to understand.

That's the fate of us being brought up in a monotheistic believe religion, it took me more than ten years studying asian religions to get a clue about where my problem was, and only in the moment that i actively stepped out of the roman catholic church i understood that it didn't even matter.

No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.

EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.

kyomu · « **Reply #211 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:19:08 PM »

Quote from: Rami on March 31, 2009, 01:15:31 PM

I know it is said he doesn't exists. But I refer to the ideas and teachings plotted down by man about such concepts as Buddha or Hinduism or whatever superstition.

Wrong.
Budda is not he or she or whatever. Just the absolute truth.
One Absolute truth doesnt exist. But it exist in infinite reasons.

This is not a teaching. Just a fvkin truth.

DK II · « **Reply #212 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:19:38 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:15:15 PM

lol, you still don't understand....

It doesn't matter. metaphor or not, christian or hindu, god or not god.

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:17:33 PM

No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.

No, you do not understand because you stick to "believe in", "god" and "metaphor".

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 01:19:08 PM

Wrong.
Budda is not he or she or whatever. Just the absolute truth.
One Absolute truth doesnt exist. But it exist in infinite reasons.

This is not a teaching. Just a fvkin truth.

thanks kyomu.

DK II · « **Reply #213 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:20:45 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:17:33 PM

EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.

See above, your christian believe binds you to "believing" or "not believing".

This doesn't exist in Buddhism.

kyomu · « **Reply #214 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:21:38 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:17:33 PM

No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.

EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.

Still dont understand.
In Budism, even the natural phenomenon we see is suspicious since the hard problem of conciousness(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness).

In budism, they dont believe in anything. Just keep on suspecting.

DK II · « **Reply #215 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:24:23 PM »

btw, mad props to you lovemonkey, you really stick with it and think about it.

This is the way to really overcome your believes and the boundaries you are in, even if you aren't aware of them yet.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #216 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:24:35 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 31, 2009, 01:19:38 PM

lol, you still don't understand....

It doesn't matter. metaphor or not, christian or hindu, god or not god.

No, you do not understand because you stick to "believe in", "god" and "metaphor".

thanks kyomu.

Ok, buddhism doesn't have any sort of gods.

But what I was referring to is statements like this:

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 12:46:19 PM

Look. Since you are not a bad guy.
I will give you a example how varios concepts of God exist in this world.

Hinduism Gods

Brahma--Creation
Vishunu---Maintenance
Shiva--Destrucction

These 3 gods explain the existance. Born-living- death.
These gods dont order you anything like Jesus. Just Indians explain the natural phenomenon like this.

Very different from Christian huh?

Those are metaphoric gods.

Rami · « **Reply #217 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:25:18 PM »

Sorry I guess I'm with Buddha then. But it doesn't look like I needed the "concept" if I reached some of the same conclusions on my own.

But why is the truth depicted as a fat or anorectic looking man if "it" supposedly is non existant?

I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #218 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:25:55 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on March 31, 2009, 01:21:38 PM

Still dont understand.
In Budism, even the natural phenomenon we see is suspicious since the hard problem of conciousness(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness).

In budism, they dont believe in anything. Just keep on suspecting.

Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.

DK II · « **Reply #219 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:30:02 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:24:35 PM

Ok, buddhism doesn't have any sort of gods.

Here's the best thing:

Buddhism has gods. And it hasn't. In Buddhism, there have been discussions through the centuries wether gods could attain buddhahood or not. So they think that gods exist.

But it is absolutely not important for you and me.

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:25:55 PM

Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.

No, it's not playing with words.

DK II · « **Reply #220 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:34:54 PM »

If you are really interested in looking further into this, have a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Mind,_Beginner%27s_Mind

or the book "Three pillars of Zen".

lovemonkey · « **Reply #221 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:35:10 PM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 31, 2009, 01:30:02 PM

Here's the best thing:

Buddhism has gods. And it hasn't. In Buddhism, there have been discussions through the centuries wether gods could attain buddhahood or not. So they think that gods exist.

But it is absolutely not important for you and me.

Ok this is what ticks me off a bit. If buddhism has a nice and clear message to improve/get to know yourself, why does it need all that extra superstitious junk in the trunk?

You seem to benefit from buddhism without believing in a bunch of crap, if you don't mind could you in short explain how buddhism has helped you and in what way?

kyomu · « **Reply #222 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:37:05 PM »

Quote from: Rami on March 31, 2009, 01:25:18 PM

Sorry I guess I'm with Buddha then. But it doesn't look like I needed the "concept" if I reached some of the same conclusions on my own.

But why is the truth depicted as a fat or anorectic looking man if "it" supposedly is non existant?

I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs.

Haha. Yes. Spot on.
That Shakyamuni himself said that symbolizing him with making statue doesnt make people realizing the absolute truth.

Alwyas People want to believe in something.

Original budism was philopsphy, but it separated and became various kinds of religions called budism.

kyomu · « **Reply #223 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:39:54 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:25:55 PM

Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.

Asking why is our instinct since our chilhood isnt it?

Can you say lie to you and keep on quiet and deceive yourself?

kyomu · « **Reply #224 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:41:50 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:35:10 PM

Ok this is what ticks me off a bit. If buddhism has a nice and clear message to improve/get to know yourself, why does it need all that extra superstitious junk in the trunk?

You seem to benefit from buddhism without believing in a bunch of crap, if you don't mind could you in short explain how buddhism has helped you and in what way?

Think.... Improve for what? Why should we improve? We are not perfect?